The 4th of July....

"Isn't our choice really not one of left or right, but of
up or down? Down through the welfare state to statism, to
more and more government largesse accompanied always by more
government authority, less individual liberty, and ultimately,
totalitarianism, always advanced as for our own good. The
alternative is the dream conceived by our Founding Fathers, up
to the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with an orderly
society. We don't celebrate dependence day on the Fourth of July.
We celebrate Independence Day." --Ronald Reagan (1984)

LIve free or die, Michael S.

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"Isn't our choice really not one of left or right, but of
up or down? Down through the welfare state to statism, to
more and more government largesse

Didn't Reagan help create the largest national debt in US history?

accompanied always by more
government authority, less individual liberty, and ultimately,
totalitarianism, always advanced as for our own good.
..." --Ronald Reagan (1984)

Wasn't Reagan anti-abortion?
How do republicans get away with hypocritical statements like this?

Cheers,
Steve
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Be careful about making a libertarian litmus test of the abortion issue.
There are more than a few libertarians who see no hypocrisy whatsoever in
opposing abortion. Branding pro-lifers as hypocrites could cost the Party
some of it's hardest working activists and most successful candidates.

Yes, I can see how a reasonable person could consider it a violation of the rights of the fetus. However, I suspect most anti-abortionists take that side on unreasonable(superstitious) grounds. I don't think a reasonable person, for instance, wouldn't consider a single fertilized cell to be a "person with rights" (as it's incapable of thought or feeling, just as a single cell from an adult is) unless they attributed to it some magical properties. Where the line is drawn from there to a newborn and when the rights of the host override that of the fetus is tricky of course.

Cheers,
Steve
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While "superstitious" and "unreasonable" aren't as much a slap in the face
as "hypocritical", I'd suspect that there are enough pro-life atheists out
there (http://www.l4l.org/) to give you a run for your rhetorical money.

It's easy to write off the right-wing religious fundamentalist whackos who
oppose abortion, but the libertarian/atheist/objectivist ones are more of a
challenge to debate. That's why pro-life libertarians usually try to avoid
the topic in a libertarian forum with the hope that the pro-abortion
libertarians will return the favor.

While "superstitious" and "unreasonable" aren't as much a slap in the face
as "hypocritical", I'd suspect that there are enough pro-life atheists out
there (http://www.l4l.org/) to give you a run for your rhetorical money.
It's easy to write off the right-wing religious fundamentalist whackos who
oppose abortion, but the libertarian/atheist/objectivist ones are more of a
challenge to debate.

Yes, you've restated the qualifications I specified in my point.

That's why pro-life libertarians usually try to avoid
the topic in a libertarian forum with the hope that the pro-abortion
libertarians will return the favor.

Libertarians are also split on the war topic. Would it be responsible avoid this issue as well?

Cheers,
Steve
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