Am I detecting underwhelming enthusiasm for C4L?
Speaking of underwhelming:
So I heard on the news this morning, that the Aurora shooter was brought to the attention to the police by his psychiatrist, in an official capacity, according the professional reporting requirements. I'm sure there is no flood of such reports for the police to filters.
Does it get any worse? When will we eliminate that horrible institution? Once again they fail miserably and spectacularly in the terrifying death of innocent people, just like their miserable and spectacular failure in 9-11.
And at the time they were claiming their actions saved lives.
The national conversation should not be gun control, it should be police control. It is the police that should be banned, so that competent civilian institutions can resume.
Instead, they bare trying to take our guns and take more of our money for more of them to make more trouble for us.
It's an outrage!!
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From: "mike@dennyconnect.com" <mike@...>
To: "lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com" <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 12:25 AM
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Tax Day Outreach 2013 April 15
And Michael Edelstein bought his lunch.
Mike
From:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Starchild
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:15 PM
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Tax Day Outreach 2013 April 15
Indeed, Matt was visiting in his capacity as a paid employee of Campaign for Liberty\. It is mildly ironic for us to be thanking him, since we were all there on our own time as activists\.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
Actually Michael Edelstein invited Matt…FYI.
Mike
From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Bechtol
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 10:14 PM
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Tax Day Outreach 2013 April 15
Marcy,
OK, I'll call DC tomorrow and see what they can do. I spoke with Mat earlier this week, to thank him for taking the time
to meet with us. (I actually do appreciate things) I think it was a big step in the right direction and maybe a semi-big deal. I gotta hand it to Mike Denny for adding it to Edelstein's plan for our first meeting of the "new league".
I have a feeling the liaison will get shuttled to John Dennis, but we'll see.
John
From: lpsfactivists <amarcyb@...>
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 9:39 PM
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Tax Day Outreach 2013 April 15
Feel free to jump in on it right now, John, and do promotion for Tax Day Outreach 2013! The details are on the flier in the Files section of this list and on the GGL Meetup list of events. Thanks.
Marcy
I think my question was more rhetorical. It would be up to Marcy or Aubrey to want it put together. Then I will jump on it. I just spoke with Dan, GGLR, to get my info straight. They are already partnered with the outreach and you and I are the closest liaisons
to C4L.
We're in the thick of it now, Michael.
John
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>To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Tax Day Outreach 2013 April 15
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>>From:Â John Bechtol <javlin@...>
>>To:Â "lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com" <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>Â
>>Sent:Â Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:01 PM
>>Subject:Â Re: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Tax Day Outreach 2013 April 15
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>>Hmmmm, a lot of people with our vision, identify with the label "conservative". These may be the only people we can reach.  the neo-cons and others have a fixed agenda already.Â
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>>How about "fiscal realists"?
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>>>________________________________
>>>From:Â Dr. Michael Edelstein <drmedelstein.threeminutetherapy@...>
>>>To:Â lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.comÂ
>>>Sent:Â Thursday, April 4, 2013 6:44 PM
>>>Subject:Â Re: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Tax Day Outreach 2013 April 15
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>>>Hi Marcy,
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>>>I join with Starchild in my appreciation of the wonderful job you're doing in organizing the tax protest.
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>>>I agree with Starchild's improvement in the sentence he cites. In addition, I suggest you not identify us with conservatives of any ilk (especially in San Francisco!).Â
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>>>How about calling us "fiscal libertarians," rather than "fiscal conservatives?"Â
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>>>Fiscal conservatives have balancing the budget as their core mission. Some fiscal conservatives even advocate raising taxes to balance the budget. Moreover, balancing the budget is a phony issue since it fails to include off-budget items, and the conservative approach
involves snipping at the margins of projected spending increases. Worse still, some conservatives, most notably Arthur Laffer and his supply-siders, see a great benefit in cutting taxes in that it will fill Govt coffers.Â
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>>>Warm regards, Michael
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>>>Marcy,
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>>>Thanks for putting together an outreach flier for the Tax Day event! I'm a little concerned though about the line that reads:
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>>>"All liberty loving fiscal conservatives are welcome to participate in this opportunity to speak out against economy- stifling taxes, and to exercise our right to Peaceful Assembly!"
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>>>My thought is that there may be individuals opposed to current tax practices for reasons such as not supporting wars and bailouts, the complexity or unfairness of the tax code, etc., who are notfiscal conservatives, and we shouldn't be excluding them. I
would prefer we explicitly list "war tax resisters, bailout opponents, and people opposed to the complexity and unfairness of the tax code". Something about how even poor people and others who do not file income taxes pay indirectly would also be good -- remember
we don't want to sound like conservatives.
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>>>Maybe "Outreach Station" should simply refer to an "information table", so people know what they're looking for? Also, the words "supporters" and "patriots" (in "Ron Paul Supporters" and "Tea Party Patriots") should not be capitalized. Finally, and this is
a minor stylistic point, but I would say "leave us a message at" rather than "call our voicemail number".
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>>>Love & Liberty,
>>>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ((( starchild )))
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>>>Yes, Civic Center Plaza, right across the street from City Hall.
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>>>>Thank you!
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>>>>Marcy
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>>>>--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroup! s.com, "mike@" <mike@> wrote:
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>>>>> That will be fine...see you then.
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>>>>> Civic Center green area in front of City Hall....right?
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>>>>> Mike
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>>>>> From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lpsfactivists
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 3:06 PM
>>>>> To:Â lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Tax Day Outreach 2013 April 15
>>>>>Â
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>>>>> Hi Mike D.
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>>>>> Wonderful if you could volunteer to help set up around 10:30 - 11:30 (our permit starts at 11:30 but hopefully, nobody will notice that we are there a little sooner). If that is not good for you, then 12:00 noon would be good too. And then, we need marchers
too!!!!!!
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>>>>> Marcy
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>>>>> > Ditto here...
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>>>>> > Mike
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>>>>> > From:Â lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com<mailto:lpsf-discuss%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com<mailto:lpsf-discuss%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Dr. Michael Edelstein
>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:55 PM
>>>>> > To:Â lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com<mailto:lpsf-discuss%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Tax Day Outreach 2013 April 15
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>>>>> > Thanks, Marcy.
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>>>>> > I volunteered my tabling services for 2 hours. If you would inform me as far in advance as possible which 2 hours you want me for, this would be a great help!
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>>>>> > Many thanks.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Warm regards, Michael
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi All,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I have uploaded a "Tax Day Outreach 2013" flier on the Files section of this Discussion List (sflp Tax Day Outreach Flier). This event will be on April 15, 11:30 am - 3:30 pm, San Francisco Civic Center Plaza, right across the street from City Hall. It
is a collaborative event, since we have invited Ron Paul Supporters and Tea Partiers to participate.