By the way, thanks for weighing in Katie. I don’t recall seeing you here before – are you new to the LPSF or other libertarian lists? Do you live in San Francisco? I’m curious to hear your background in the movement or how you heard about us or came to libertarian ideas, if you don’t mind sharing. And please consider yourself invited to attend (in person or remotely) our next meeting if you can make it. Please feel free to call me directly if you have questions or concerns, or just to say hi!
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
Chair, Libertarian Party of San Francisco
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On May 27, 2023, at 2:14 PM, Katie Hingle via LPSF Forum noreply@forum.lpsf.org wrote:
Katie_Hingle https://forum.lpsf.org/u/katie_hingle
May 27
It’s how it’s being displayed on that survey··· (click for more details) https://forum.lpsf.org/t/survey-on-philosophical-positions-in-the-libertarian-movement/21825/9
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Katie_Hingle https://forum.lpsf.org/u/katie_hingle
May 27
I wish the pro-life vs pro-choice wasn’t about babies. I am pro-life way beyond babies. ··· (click for more details) https://forum.lpsf.org/t/survey-on-philosophical-positions-in-the-libertarian-movement/21825/5
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May 27
Who says that pro-life and pro-choice are opposites?
That’s the old ploy from the anti-choice crowd.··· (click for more details) https://forum.lpsf.org/t/survey-on-philosophical-positions-in-the-libertarian-movement/21825/8
FRNP https://forum.lpsf.org/u/frnp
May 27
Real Freedom Fighters are never in the least bit inhibited about govt tools understanding Our opposition to their tyranny; the whole point of a ProTest/Demonstration ( unlike the nefarious interweb data bank survey schemes ) is that We Are Using Our Individual & Collective Vox & Bodies to Defy their tyranny BOLDLY without Face ( or Body ) MASKS ( unlike doing it in a cowardly way from closets & basements purportedly anonyMOUSEly behind computer screens. ).https://forum.lpsf.org/uploads/default/original/2X/d/d1175e2d52a8b6ae600d946da067ef3b1a0d4d46.jpeg
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dennz https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dennz
May 27
Glad to hear it Katie…you are right, “pro-Life” is more than babies. Here’s an interesting article laying out the history of eugenics by the ruling class going back generations. And of course, the euthanasia movement gathering steam around the world especially Canada. See meme below.Why are they doing it? Eugenics to Pandemics Documentary https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/why-are-they-doing-it-eugenics-to?Why are they doing it? Eugenics to Pandemics Documentary https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/why-are-they-doing-it-eugenics-to?u
Note there is also a Pro-Life movement within the LP. I don’t have the link right now but can share with you lagerf.Please contact me directly to discuss further. I am active in Pro-Life and would like to know you better.
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Katie_Hingle https://forum.lpsf.org/u/katie_hingle
May 27
I wish the pro-life vs pro-choice wasn’t about babies. I am pro-life way
beyond babies.··· (click for more details) https://forum.lpsf.org/t/survey-on-philosophical-positions-in-the-libertarian-movement/21825/5
Starchild https://forum.lpsf.org/u/starchild
May 27
That’s a very good point, Jeff. Thank you for bringing it up. I still think the Libertarian Party keeping info about people’s political/philosophical beliefs on file and up to date for paid staffers and people with roles setting party policy is desirable from the standpoint of maintaining the party as a sustainably libertarian organization, as well as modeling the kind of governance we want to see in the world so that the public and voters will have reason to trust us, by being able to see that we’re already practicing what we preach in our own groups. “Be the change you want to see in the world.”But I should have thought about people posting their answers to these surveys with regard to data harvesting, especially by big institutions trying to track and manipulate, if not outright control people in the case of government. Perhaps I’ll make a new version of the graphic with a warning at the bottom about disclosing your information. That could help raise awareness of the big data/surveillance problem. I’m actually quite aware of the issues that you mention, but somehow overlooked them in this context.
There’s definitely a conundrum though. In a global information society, where we may interact with large numbers of people we don’t know well, especially online where there can be all manner of deceptions, trust mechanisms are needed, and that means having some kind of assurance about the people you’re dealing with, which usually means information about them. But the collection of this information has real risks and dangers. I’d like to see each of us have a lot more control over our information, from our medical records to our shopping habits to our fingerprints, facial images, and genomes, and limits on institutional access to and use of this information on a mass basis.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
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