Starchild,
The brain effects are not caused by the social rejection, but rather they're caused by what the upset individual told himself about the rejection.
If you tell a Big Govt conservative you believe prostitution should be legalized and he gets quite disturbed about your opinion, did you disturb him or did he disturb himself about your opinion?
Best, Michael
Hi Starchild,
You asked for thoughts, so here are my two cents. I am leaning
towards siding with Michael E. Both in my business and personally I
have had the pleasure of dealing with people that rose above social
rejection. I think I have mentioned in this list before about one of
my favorite clients who suffered terrible rejection as a homeless
person, and is now doing fairly well as a business owner. I think the
more we talk about unavoidable outcomes, the more our disservice.
Just my own thought; I am not an expert.
Marcy
Starchild,
The brain effects are not caused by the social rejection, but rather
they're caused by what the upset individual told himself about the
rejection.
If you tell a Big Govt conservative you believe prostitution should
be legalized and he gets quite disturbed about your opinion, did you
disturb him or did he disturb himself about your opinion?
Best, Michael
From: Starchild
To: LPSF Discussion List ; Libertarians For Animal Rights
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 4:53 PM
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Study finds conscious awareness of rejection
affects us physically - Profound implications for libertarian theory?
Yay, my Internet connection finally works again!!! Now to wade through a week and a half of emails...
Marcy,
I appreciate your input. But I'm not sure I see how the anecdote you relate establishes anything. Surely for every story of someone who has survived terrible rejection to flourish as a human being, there is an equally compelling story of a person who has survived terrible physical pain to flourish as a human being.
You suggest that we are better off not talking about "unavoidable outcomes." Yet don't libertarians tend to presume that dissatisfaction is more or less an unavoidable outcome when someone's property rights are wrongly violated by government? If dissatisfaction at having one's property unjustly seized is avoidable, a statist could argue, then victims should just strive to be happy in their victimization rather than causing social discord by opposing such government actions.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
Glad your Internet is back, Starchild! My anecdote was not offered as
proof, but merely as illustration of an outcome different from the one
predicted. Upon re-reading my comment regarding unavoidable outcomes,
I see it came out a little like a preference for censorship; that was
not my intent. I only wished to express my preference for analysis of
outcomes (why they happen), rather than labeling anything unavoidable;
or, to use your illustration about the government taking property, I
would prefer to say I was fighting for a change, rather than say I was
dissatisfied with the status quo (Huuummmm, I sound like Mr. Obama)
Marcy
Starchild,
You asked:
could not a rejection
calculated to hurt be a much greater initiation of force than being
slapped in the face?
You seem to be confusing the intensity of the pain with the cause.
Physical pain resulting from the initiation of aggression is caused by another. This can be very mild pain, e.g., someone lightly slaps you.
Emotional pain is self-caused. This can be quite intense.
Best, Michael