Dear Ron and Starchild,
So Linette Shaw is a singer? How interesting! I am wondering why, or
if, she has not thought of putting on a show for her campaign.
BTW, the events of which I was speaking did not rely on free
performers, and were not fund raisers. They represented risk taking
by the membership, which translated into profits, which produced
funds for more events, and more funds. I am not sure that the LPSF
is ready for this mind set (judging by Ron going off into ATT Park
and Starchild hoping for free celebrities : - ) But, if someone can
come up with free celebrities at ATT Partk, great!!
However, I could visualize a more modest endeavor for the LPSF. For
instance, launching our Police Redeployment Campaign in a "Save the
Children" frame, with kids in ethnic costumes doing their ethnic
dances, and eithnic food served to guest.
Marcy
--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty <tradergroupe@...>
wrote:
Dear Starchild;
Okay so which celebrities are attracted by overcoming poverty and
are for open borders for all immigrants and for stopping aid to
African countries which just furthers more corruption.
On the aid to African countries this issue has been known but
various world leaders have been loathe to act because of economic
business issues involving oil and minerals and forests and corrupt
officials who give the various lease rights in exchange for beaucoup
bucks to line their pockets and the people be damned who get in the
way.
Being more compassionate than the left is nice but how to get this
message across so the vast masses understand this in comparison to
the other political parties is the problem. We do not have a national
party headquarters capable of evolving such a program whether from
the top down or the bottom up. We also do not have the money
nationally or locally to do such a thing.
If we are to any such thing it would have to be locally done for
the benefit of the local party or the Bay Area LP parties united and
combined together using mutual aid support on a commonly agreed to
benefit and issue or issues.
Ron Getty
SF LibertarianFrom: Starchild <sfdreamer@...>
To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:22:14 PM
Subject: Re: [lpsf-activists] Re: Speaking of InitiativesRon,
It's a nice thought, but I don't see much evidence that artists
are
attracted to political groups that offer them tax breaks. Howard
Stern
and Eminem hate the FCC, and I'm assuming the issue is a big
reason
Stern picked the LP ticket when he tried to run for NY governor.
So
that issue might have a little more traction. I personally think
however that it's less a matter of issues than of style and
approach.
Our philosophy has the potential to lift billions of people out of
poverty. Lots of artists get involved in campaigns to fight
hunger,
stop cruelty to animals, etc. If we emphasize compassion and
preventing
suffering among the truly destitute, I think we could do a lot
better
attracting celebrity attention.
There are people in the libertarian movement taking this
approach,
such as Hernando de Soto -- the BBC's World Business Review just
aired
a panel last night in which they talked a lot about his ideas --
property rights for the poor, micro-lending, that kind of thing. It
was
terrific. One of the guests, a South African political figure, was
strongly condemnatory of foreign aid to Africa, saying it doesn't
reach
the people and should be stopped. You can listen to the show
here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/
world_business_review.shtml . Even U2's Bono, who has been
crusading
for African debt relief, now seems to be getting a clue and is, I
heard, focusing his latest campaign on ending the culture of
official
corruption there.
There is a lot of potential with the immigration issue too.
Open
borders are an excellent tool for lifting people out of poverty,
and an
issue where we can take the mantle of being more compassionate than
the
left.
Love & liberty,
<<< starchild >>>> Dear Starchild;
>
> Did I also mention plenty of colorful flags flying and marching
bands
> and giant firecracker balls? TV needs lots of eye candy.
>
> But yes we do as a party need those types of events band a thon
or
> fund a thons or whatever to raise lots of nice money.
>
> We attract more boldly artistic and creative people into the
party by
> getting the message across of less taxes on their artisitic
creative
> ventures so they get to keep more.Why do so mnay athletes end up
> claiming their residence in Florida? No state income taxes.
>
> Less interference on what they want to do like de-funding the
FCC -
> this should get Janet Jackson and her wardrobe malfunction on
board!!!
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
>
> From: Starchild <sfdreamer@...>
> To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: grassrootslibertarians@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:03:35 AM
> Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: Speaking of Initiatives
>
> Ron,
>
> You're not talking about mere public relations. What you
describe
> below is art! We need more art. A problem is that few people in
the LP
> seem to be thinking that creatively or seeking to make things
like you
> suggest happen. I see three basic alternatives:
>
> (1) We continue along as we have been
> (2) We learn to make and do bold, creative art ourselves
> (3) We attract the kind of bold, artistic and creative people who
do
> these things into the party
>
> As I see it, option #1 means stagnation. Option #2 is part of
the
> solution, but getting enough people to change that much could be
> difficult. Meaning we must rely most on option #3. So let's ask
> ourselves, how do we attract more boldly artistic and creative
people
> into the party?
>
> Here's one sample idea: Instead of the LNC hiring people to
write
> direct mail fundraising letters and paying to send them out, use
the
> money to hire people to organize free outdoor concerts and take
out ads
> promoting them. Then have our best fundraisers take to the stage
> between sets to raise donations from the crowd.
>
> Love & liberty,
> <<< starchild >>>
>
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Ron Getty wrote (in part):
>
> > For PR ideas once we gather enough signatures the presentation
to the
> > mayor Supervisors Chief etc etc etc etc etc should in reality
be a
> > full ceremonial pure political street theater on the steps of
City
> > Hall Polk Streeet side.
> >
> > Politics is Grand Theater!! ( Bella Abzug)
> >
> > Cardboard coffins representing the dead - dragon dancers with
gongs
> > and drums and firecrackers to scare away evil spirits - a
reading of
> > the names of the dead - with death knell bells tolling ( once
upon a
> > time in a quaint custom churches would ring a death knell bell
for a
> > parishioner who died) ...
> Ron,
>
>
> You're not talking about mere public relations. What you
describe
> below is art! We need more art. A problem is that few people in
the LP
> seem to be thinking that creatively or seeking to make things
like you
> suggest happen. I see three basic alternatives:
>
>
> (1) We continue along as we have been
>
> (2) We learn to make and do bold, creative art ourselves
>
> (3) We attract the kind of bold, artistic and creative people who
do
> these things into the party
>
>
> As I see it, option #1 means stagnation. Option #2 is part of
the
> solution, but getting enough people to change that much could be
> difficult. Meaning we must rely most on option #3. So let's ask
> ourselves, how do we attract more boldly artistic and creative
people
> into the party?
>
>
> Here's one sample idea: Instead of the LNC hiring people to
write
> direct mail fundraising letters and paying to send them out, use
the
> money to hire people to organize free outdoor concerts and take
out
> ads promoting them. Then have our best fundraisers take to the
stage
> between sets to raise donations from the crowd.
>
>
> Love & liberty,
>
> <<<<<< starchild >>>
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Ron Getty wrote (in part):
>
>
> <excerpt>For PR ideas once we gather enough signatures the
> presentation to the mayor Supervisors Chief etc etc etc etc etc
should
> in reality be a full ceremonial pure political street theater on
the
> steps of City Hall Polk Streeet side.
>
>
>
> Politics is Grand Theater!! ( Bella Abzug)
>
>
>
> Cardboard coffins representing the dead - dragon dancers with
gongs
> and drums and firecrackers to scare away evil spirits - a reading
of
> the names of the dead - with death knell bells tolling ( once
upon a
> time in a quaint custom churches would ring a death knell bell
for a
> parishioner who died) ...</excerpt>
>
>
Ron,It's a nice thought, but I don't see much evidence that artists
are
attracted to political groups that offer them tax breaks. Howard
Stern
and Eminem hate the FCC, and I'm assuming the issue is a big reason
Stern picked the LP ticket when he tried to run for NY governor. So
that issue might have a little more traction. I personally think
however that it's less a matter of issues than of style and
approach.
Our philosophy has the potential to lift billions of people out of
poverty. Lots of artists get involved in campaigns to fight hunger,
stop cruelty to animals, etc. If we emphasize compassion and
preventing suffering among the truly destitute, I think we could do
a
lot better attracting celebrity attention.
There are people in the libertarian movement taking this
approach,
such as Hernando de Soto -- the BBC's World Business Review just
aired
a panel last night in which they talked a lot about his ideas --
property rights for the poor, micro-lending, that kind of thing. It
was terrific. One of the guests, a South African political figure,
was
strongly condemnatory of foreign aid to Africa, saying it doesn't
reach the people and should be stopped. You can listen to the show
here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/world_business_review.sht
ml
. Even U2's Bono, who has been crusading for African debt relief,
now
seems to be getting a clue and is, I heard, focusing his latest
campaign on ending the culture of official corruption there.There is a lot of potential with the immigration issue too. Open
borders are an excellent tool for lifting people out of poverty, and
an issue where we can take the mantle of being more compassionate
than
the left.
Love & liberty,
<<<<<< starchild >>>
<excerpt>Dear Starchild;
Did I also mention plenty of colorful flags flying and marching
bands
and giant firecracker balls? TV needs lots of eye candy.
But yes we do as a party need those types of events band a thon or
fund a thons or whatever to raise lots of nice money.We attract more boldly artistic and creative people into the party
by
getting the message across of less taxes on their artisitic creative
ventures so they get to keep more.Why do so mnay athletes end up
claiming their residence in Florida? No state income taxes.Less interference on what they want to do like de-funding the FCC -
this should get Janet Jackson and her wardrobe malfunction on
board!!!
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
From: Starchild <<sfdreamer@...>
To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
Cc: grassrootslibertarians@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:03:35 AM
Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: Speaking of Initiatives
Ron,
You're not talking about mere public relations. What you
describe
below is art! We need more art. A problem is that few people in the
LP
seem to be thinking that creatively or seeking to make things like
you
suggest happen. I see three basic alternatives:
(1) We continue along as we have been
(2) We learn to make and do bold, creative art ourselves
(3) We attract the kind of bold, artistic and creative people who do
these things into the party
As I see it, option #1 means stagnation. Option #2 is part of
the
solution, but getting enough people to change that much could be
difficult. Meaning we must rely most on option #3. So let's ask
ourselves, how do we attract more boldly artistic and creative
people
into the party?
Here's one sample idea: Instead of the LNC hiring people to
write
direct mail fundraising letters and paying to send them out, use the
money to hire people to organize free outdoor concerts and take out
ads
promoting them. Then have our best fundraisers take to the stage
between sets to raise donations from the crowd.
Love & liberty,
<<<<<< starchild >>>
On Friday, June 23, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Ron Getty wrote (in part):
> For PR ideas once we gather enough signatures the presentation to
the
> mayor Supervisors Chief etc etc etc etc etc should in reality be a
> full ceremonial pure political street theater on the steps of City
> Hall Polk Streeet side.
>
> Politics is Grand Theater!! ( Bella Abzug)
>
> Cardboard coffins representing the dead - dragon dancers with
gongs
> and drums and firecrackers to scare away evil spirits - a reading
of
> the names of the dead - with death knell bells tolling ( once
upon a
> time in a quaint custom churches would ring a death knell bell
for a
> parishioner who died) ...
Ron,
You're not talking about mere public relations. What you
describe
below is art! We need more art. A problem is that few people in the
LP
seem to be thinking that creatively or seeking to make things like
you
suggest happen. I see three basic alternatives:
(1) We continue along as we have been
(2) We learn to make and do bold, creative art ourselves
(3) We attract the kind of bold, artistic and creative people who do
these things into the party
As I see it, option #1 means stagnation. Option #2 is part of
the
solution, but getting enough people to change that much could be
difficult. Meaning we must rely most on option #3. So let's ask
ourselves, how do we attract more boldly artistic and creative
people
into the party?
Here's one sample idea: Instead of the LNC hiring people to
write
direct mail fundraising letters and paying to send them out, use the
money to hire people to organize free outdoor concerts and take out
ads promoting them. Then have our best fundraisers take to the stage
between sets to raise donations from the crowd.
Love & liberty,
<<<<<<<<<<<< starchild >>>
On Friday, June 23, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Ron Getty wrote (in part):
<<excerpt>For PR ideas once we gather enough signatures the
presentation to the mayor Supervisors Chief etc etc etc etc etc
should