SF Examiner Publishes My Libertarian Homicide Council LTE

One can at least get the list from the RoV before the next meeting.
They might give it only to Marcy.

M

That is a good early step M…but the first one would be to get this
on our next meeting agenda. We have several others up for
consideration.

One thing I can say in support of this politically is that the
police “VideoGate” thing has this community in an uproar. This is
the culmination of many many years of crisis between this community
and “the man”. I have pretty deep contacts with these people. Some
of the best friends I made during my mayoral campaign are from this
area. While not Libertarian, I can see them jumping on this.

Mike

From: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M Carling
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:02 AM
To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpsf-activists] SF Examiner Publishes My Libertarian
Homicide Council LTE

Thank you.

The first step would be to get an up-to-date list of regLibs from the
SF RoV and then find all the regLibs who live in the projects.

M Carling

> I think that's a terrific idea.
>
> Mike
>
>
> From: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M Carling
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:42 AM
> To: lpsf Activist List
> Subject: Re: [lpsf-activists] SF Examiner Publishes My Libertarian
> Homicide Council LTE
>
> Making the projects the property of the tenants is the only
> politically feasible way to privatize them. I wonder if we could
> help the tenants organize to demand ownership.
>
> M Carling
>
>
>
>> Apparently the projects were originally designed and legislated to
>> become the personal property of the tenants. However once the
>> political establishment realized they could become a source of on-
>> going revenue and power for the state, those terms were ignored.
>> Now they are completely run by the state and the tenants aren't
>> even allowed to paint. That's a union job you know.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sarosh and Starchild have done some background work on this.
>> Starchild had a projects activist come speak at one of his dinners
>> some time ago...it was a real eye opener.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> From: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
>> activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Getty
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:15 AM
>> To: Libertarian Yahoo Group; LPSF-ACTIVISTS; CAL-LIBS
>> Cc: isler@taxcenters.net; vivian.li@taxcenters.net
>> Subject: [lpsf-activists] SF Examiner Publishes My Libertarian
>> Homicide Council LTE
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Everyone;
>>
>>
>>
>> The SF Examiner reported yesterday on Supervisors Chris Daly's
>> proposed taxpayer funded $20 million charter initiative to create a
>> Homicide Council to find ways of cutting down on the SF homicide
>> rate. The Council would be required to report back by Nov. 2006 on
>> its findings of ways to cut the homicide rate.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wrote a retort on this and the SF Examiner published it today
>> with my Libertarian party signature.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is the third time they have used my Libertarian signature on
>> LTE's in as many weeks. Whoo Hoo!
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron Getty
>>
>> SF Libertarian
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.sfexaminer.com/articles/2005/12/14/opinion/
>> 20051214_op03_readers.txt
>>
>>
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Dear M and Mike,

For us innocents, what do the initials stand for? Maybe registered
libertarians....etc? If so, I would have no clue as to how to obtain
such a list. Get a disk of Libertarian voters from the Department of
Elections and sort the data by address? I will be happy to help with
this, but please elucidate me as to what you all mean.

I also like the idea of project ownership as a proposed initiative.
My idea of a first step here would be to research the applicable city
codes (as we did with the Payroll Tax Codes before witing the Payroll
Tax Initiative), and try to pinpoint the specific codes we would be
modifying.

The second step perhaps should be to see if Starchild (civil
liberties initiative main proponent) and Sarosh (our resident real
property expert) are behind the proposal.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, M Carling <m@i...> wrote:
>
> One can at least get the list from the RoV before the next
meeting.
> They might give it only to Marcy.
>
> M
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2005, at 9:24, Mike Denny wrote:
>
> > That is a good early step M but the first one would be to get
this
> > on our next meeting agenda. We have several others up for
> > consideration.
> >
> >
> >
> > One thing I can say in support of this politically is that the
> > police "VideoGate" thing has this community in an uproar. This
is
> > the culmination of many many years of crisis between this
community
> > and "the man". I have pretty deep contacts with these people.
Some
> > of the best friends I made during my mayoral campaign are from
this
> > area. While not Libertarian, I can see them jumping on this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > From: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
> > activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M Carling
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:02 AM
> > To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [lpsf-activists] SF Examiner Publishes My
Libertarian
> > Homicide Council LTE
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > The first step would be to get an up-to-date list of regLibs from
the
> > SF RoV and then find all the regLibs who live in the projects.
> >
> > M Carling
> >
> >
> > On Dec 14, 2005, at 8:48, Mike Denny wrote:
> >
> > > I think that's a terrific idea.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M Carling
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:42 AM
> > > To: lpsf Activist List
> > > Subject: Re: [lpsf-activists] SF Examiner Publishes My
Libertarian
> > > Homicide Council LTE
> > >
> > > Making the projects the property of the tenants is the only
> > > politically feasible way to privatize them. I wonder if we
could
> > > help the tenants organize to demand ownership.
> > >
> > > M Carling
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 14, 2005, at 7:34, Mike Denny wrote:
> > >
> > >> Apparently the projects were originally designed and
legislated to
> > >> become the personal property of the tenants. However once the
> > >> political establishment realized they could become a source of
on-
> > >> going revenue and power for the state, those terms were
ignored.
> > >> Now they are completely run by the state and the tenants aren't
> > >> even allowed to paint. That's a union job you know.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Sarosh and Starchild have done some background work on this.
> > >> Starchild had a projects activist come speak at one of his
dinners
> > >> some time ago...it was a real eye opener.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
> > >> activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Getty
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:15 AM
> > >> To: Libertarian Yahoo Group; LPSF-ACTIVISTS; CAL-LIBS
> > >> Cc: isler@t...; vivian.li@t...
> > >> Subject: [lpsf-activists] SF Examiner Publishes My Libertarian
> > >> Homicide Council LTE
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Dear Everyone;
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The SF Examiner reported yesterday on Supervisors Chris Daly's
> > >> proposed taxpayer funded $20 million charter initiative to
create a
> > >> Homicide Council to find ways of cutting down on the SF
homicide
> > >> rate. The Council would be required to report back by Nov.
2006 on
> > >> its findings of ways to cut the homicide rate.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I wrote a retort on this and the SF Examiner published it today
> > >> with my Libertarian party signature.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> This is the third time they have used my Libertarian signature
on
> > >> LTE's in as many weeks. Whoo Hoo!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Ron Getty
> > >>
> > >> SF Libertarian
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> [http://www.sfexaminer.com/articles/2005/12/14/opinion/](http://www.sfexaminer.com/articles/2005/12/14/opinion/)
> > >> 20051214_op03_readers.txt
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RoV is Registrar of Voters.

Registrar of Voters
1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, Room 48
San Francisco, CA 94102
415-554-4375
Fax: 415-554-7344

They are required to give a list of registered Libertarian voters to
the county party chair once or twice per year upon request. They may
charge a nominal copying fee. Some counties charge as little as $5,
some as much as $250. In most counties, they are very nice but not
very efficient.

M

Dear M and Mike,

For us innocents, what do the initials stand for? Maybe registered
libertarians....etc? If so, I would have no clue as to how to obtain
such a list. Get a disk of Libertarian voters from the Department of
Elections and sort the data by address? I will be happy to help with
this, but please elucidate me as to what you all mean.

I also like the idea of project ownership as a proposed initiative.
My idea of a first step here would be to research the applicable city
codes (as we did with the Payroll Tax Codes before witing the Payroll
Tax Initiative), and try to pinpoint the specific codes we would be
modifying.

The second step perhaps should be to see if Starchild (civil
liberties initiative main proponent) and Sarosh (our resident real
property expert) are behind the proposal.

Marcy

One can at least get the list from the RoV before the next

meeting.

They might give it only to Marcy.

M

That is a good early step M…but the first one would be to get

this

on our next meeting agenda. We have several others up for
consideration.

One thing I can say in support of this politically is that the
police "VideoGate" thing has this community in an uproar. This

is

the culmination of many many years of crisis between this

community

and "the man". I have pretty deep contacts with these people.

Some

of the best friends I made during my mayoral campaign are from

this

area. While not Libertarian, I can see them jumping on this.

Mike

From: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M Carling
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:02 AM
To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpsf-activists] SF Examiner Publishes My

Libertarian

Homicide Council LTE

Thank you.

The first step would be to get an up-to-date list of regLibs from

the

SF RoV and then find all the regLibs who live in the projects.

M Carling

I think that's a terrific idea.

Mike

From: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M Carling
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:42 AM
To: lpsf Activist List
Subject: Re: [lpsf-activists] SF Examiner Publishes My

Libertarian

Homicide Council LTE

Making the projects the property of the tenants is the only
politically feasible way to privatize them. I wonder if we

could

help the tenants organize to demand ownership.

M Carling

Apparently the projects were originally designed and

legislated to

become the personal property of the tenants. However once the
political establishment realized they could become a source of

on-

going revenue and power for the state, those terms were

ignored.

Now they are completely run by the state and the tenants aren't
even allowed to paint. That's a union job you know.

Sarosh and Starchild have done some background work on this.
Starchild had a projects activist come speak at one of his

dinners

some time ago...it was a real eye opener.

Mike

From: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Getty
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:15 AM
To: Libertarian Yahoo Group; LPSF-ACTIVISTS; CAL-LIBS
Cc: isler@t...; vivian.li@t...
Subject: [lpsf-activists] SF Examiner Publishes My Libertarian
Homicide Council LTE

Dear Everyone;

The SF Examiner reported yesterday on Supervisors Chris Daly's
proposed taxpayer funded $20 million charter initiative to

create a

Homicide Council to find ways of cutting down on the SF

homicide

rate. The Council would be required to report back by Nov.

2006 on

its findings of ways to cut the homicide rate.

I wrote a retort on this and the SF Examiner published it today
with my Libertarian party signature.

This is the third time they have used my Libertarian signature

on

LTE's in as many weeks. Whoo Hoo!

Ron Getty

SF Libertarian

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I will stop by the registrar of voters this Friday and see if I can
pick up a disk containing the Libertarian voters in San Francisco. I
am thinking that we might use such information not only in relation
to initiatives but for general outreach purposes.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, M Carling <m@i...> wrote:
>
> RoV is Registrar of Voters.
>
> Registrar of Voters
> 1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, Room 48
> San Francisco, CA 94102
> 415-554-4375
> Fax: 415-554-7344
>
> They are required to give a list of registered Libertarian voters
to
> the county party chair once or twice per year upon request. They
may
> charge a nominal copying fee. Some counties charge as little as
$5,
> some as much as $250. In most counties, they are very nice but
not
> very efficient.
>
> M
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2005, at 11:54, Amarcy D. Berry wrote:
>
> > Dear M and Mike,
> >
> > For us innocents, what do the initials stand for? Maybe
registered
> > libertarians....etc? If so, I would have no clue as to how to
obtain
> > such a list. Get a disk of Libertarian voters from the
Department of
> > Elections and sort the data by address? I will be happy to help
with
> > this, but please elucidate me as to what you all mean.
> >
> > I also like the idea of project ownership as a proposed
initiative.
> > My idea of a first step here would be to research the applicable
city
> > codes (as we did with the Payroll Tax Codes before witing the
Payroll
> > Tax Initiative), and try to pinpoint the specific codes we would
be
> > modifying.
> >
> > The second step perhaps should be to see if Starchild (civil
> > liberties initiative main proponent) and Sarosh (our resident real
> > property expert) are behind the proposal.
> >
> > Marcy
> >
> >
> > --- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, M Carling <m@i...> wrote:
> >>
> >> One can at least get the list from the RoV before the next
> > meeting.
> >> They might give it only to Marcy.
> >>
> >> M
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 14, 2005, at 9:24, Mike Denny wrote:
> >>
> >>> That is a good early step M but the first one would be to get
> > this
> >>> on our next meeting agenda. We have several others up for
> >>> consideration.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> One thing I can say in support of this politically is that the
> >>> police "VideoGate" thing has this community in an uproar. This
> > is
> >>> the culmination of many many years of crisis between this
> > community
> >>> and "the man". I have pretty deep contacts with these people.
> > Some
> >>> of the best friends I made during my mayoral campaign are from
> > this
> >>> area. While not Libertarian, I can see them jumping on this.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
> >>> activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M Carling
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:02 AM
> >>> To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [lpsf-activists] SF Examiner Publishes My
> > Libertarian
> >>> Homicide Council LTE
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you.
> >>>
> >>> The first step would be to get an up-to-date list of regLibs
from
> > the
> >>> SF RoV and then find all the regLibs who live in the projects.
> >>>
> >>> M Carling
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 14, 2005, at 8:48, Mike Denny wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I think that's a terrific idea.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> [mailto:lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M Carling
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:42 AM
> >>>> To: lpsf Activist List
> >>>> Subject: Re: [lpsf-activists] SF Examiner Publishes My
> > Libertarian
> >>>> Homicide Council LTE
> >>>>
> >>>> Making the projects the property of the tenants is the only
> >>>> politically feasible way to privatize them. I wonder if we
> > could
> >>>> help the tenants organize to demand ownership.
> >>>>
> >>>> M Carling
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Dec 14, 2005, at 7:34, Mike Denny wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Apparently the projects were originally designed and
> > legislated to
> >>>>> become the personal property of the tenants. However once the
> >>>>> political establishment realized they could become a source of
> > on-
> >>>>> going revenue and power for the state, those terms were
> > ignored.
> >>>>> Now they are completely run by the state and the tenants
aren't
> >>>>> even allowed to paint. That's a union job you know.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sarosh and Starchild have done some background work on this.
> >>>>> Starchild had a projects activist come speak at one of his
> > dinners
> >>>>> some time ago...it was a real eye opener.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
> >>>>> activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Getty
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:15 AM
> >>>>> To: Libertarian Yahoo Group; LPSF-ACTIVISTS; CAL-LIBS
> >>>>> Cc: isler@t...; vivian.li@t...
> >>>>> Subject: [lpsf-activists] SF Examiner Publishes My Libertarian
> >>>>> Homicide Council LTE
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear Everyone;
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The SF Examiner reported yesterday on Supervisors Chris Daly's
> >>>>> proposed taxpayer funded $20 million charter initiative to
> > create a
> >>>>> Homicide Council to find ways of cutting down on the SF
> > homicide
> >>>>> rate. The Council would be required to report back by Nov.
> > 2006 on
> >>>>> its findings of ways to cut the homicide rate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wrote a retort on this and the SF Examiner published it
today
> >>>>> with my Libertarian party signature.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is the third time they have used my Libertarian signature
> > on
> >>>>> LTE's in as many weeks. Whoo Hoo!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ron Getty
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
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Marcy,

  I was wondering if you ever got the voter info? If so, I am curious what the data looks like. How many Libertarians are currently listed in SF? Is it broken down by district? Any email addresses provided?

Yours in liberty,
        <<< starchild >>>

I will stop by the registrar of voters this Friday and see if I can
pick up a disk containing the Libertarian voters in San Francisco. I
am thinking that we might use such information not only in relation
to initiatives but for general outreach purposes.

Marcy

>
> RoV is Registrar of Voters.
>
> Registrar of Voters
> 1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, Room 48
> San Francisco, CA 94102
> 415-554-4375
> Fax: 415-554-7344
>
> They are required to give a list of registered Libertarian voters
to
> the county party chair once or twice per year upon request. They
may
> charge a nominal copying fee. Some counties charge as little as
$5,
> some as much as $250. In most counties, they are very nice but
not
> very efficient.
>
> M
>
> > Dear M and Mike,
> >
> > For us innocents, what do the initials stand for? Maybe
registered
> > libertarians....etc? If so, I would have no clue as to how to
obtain
> > such a list. Get a disk of Libertarian voters from the
Department of
> > Elections and sort the data by address? I will be happy to help
with
> > this, but please elucidate me as to what you all mean.
> >
> > I also like the idea of project ownership as a proposed
initiative.
> > My idea of a first step here would be to research the applicable
city
> > codes (as we did with the Payroll Tax Codes before witing the
Payroll
> > Tax Initiative), and try to pinpoint the specific codes we would
be
> > modifying.
> >
> > The second step perhaps should be to see if Starchild (civil
> > liberties initiative main proponent) and Sarosh (our resident real
> > property expert) are behind the proposal.
> >
> > Marcy
> >
> >>
> >> One can at least get the list from the RoV before the next
> > meeting.
> >> They might give it only to Marcy.
> >>
> >> M
> >>
> >>> That is a good early step M…but the first one would be to get
> > this
> >>> on our next meeting agenda. We have several others up for
> >>> consideration.
> >>>
> >>> One thing I can say in support of this politically is that the
> >>> police "VideoGate" thing has this community in an uproar. This
> > is
> >>> the culmination of many many years of crisis between this
> > community
> >>> and "the man". I have pretty deep contacts with these people.
> > Some
> >>> of the best friends I made during my mayoral campaign are from
> > this
> >>> area. While not Libertarian, I can see them jumping on this.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>> From: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
> >>> activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M Carling
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:02 AM
> >>> To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [lpsf-activists] SF Examiner Publishes My
> > Libertarian
> >>> Homicide Council LTE
> >>>
> >>> Thank you.
> >>>
> >>> The first step would be to get an up-to-date list of regLibs
from
> > the
> >>> SF RoV and then find all the regLibs who live in the projects.
> >>>
> >>> M Carling
> >>>
> >>>> I think that's a terrific idea.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>>
> >>>> From: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> [mailto:lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M Carling
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:42 AM
> >>>> To: lpsf Activist List
> >>>> Subject: Re: [lpsf-activists] SF Examiner Publishes My
> > Libertarian
> >>>> Homicide Council LTE
> >>>>
> >>>> Making the projects the property of the tenants is the only
> >>>> politically feasible way to privatize them. I wonder if we
> > could
> >>>> help the tenants organize to demand ownership.
> >>>>
> >>>> M Carling
> >>>>
> >>>>> Apparently the projects were originally designed and
> > legislated to
> >>>>> become the personal property of the tenants. However once the
> >>>>> political establishment realized they could become a source of
> > on-
> >>>>> going revenue and power for the state, those terms were
> > ignored.
> >>>>> Now they are completely run by the state and the tenants
aren't
> >>>>> even allowed to paint. That's a union job you know.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sarosh and Starchild have done some background work on this.
> >>>>> Starchild had a projects activist come speak at one of his
> > dinners
> >>>>> some time ago...it was a real eye opener.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
> >>>>> activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Getty
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:15 AM
> >>>>> To: Libertarian Yahoo Group; LPSF-ACTIVISTS; CAL-LIBS
> >>>>> Cc: isler@t...; vivian.li@t...
> >>>>> Subject: [lpsf-activists] SF Examiner Publishes My Libertarian
> >>>>> Homicide Council LTE
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear Everyone;
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The SF Examiner reported yesterday on Supervisors Chris Daly's
> >>>>> proposed taxpayer funded $20 million charter initiative to
> > create a
> >>>>> Homicide Council to find ways of cutting down on the SF
> > homicide
> >>>>> rate. The Council would be required to report back by Nov.
> > 2006 on
> >>>>> its findings of ways to cut the homicide rate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wrote a retort on this and the SF Examiner published it
today
> >>>>> with my Libertarian party signature.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is the third time they have used my Libertarian signature
> > on
> >>>>> LTE's in as many weeks. Whoo Hoo!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ron Getty
> >>>>>
> >>>>> SF Libertarian
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.sfexaminer.com/articles/2005/12/14/opinion/
> >>>>> 20051214_op03_readers.txt
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Attending the tail end of the pot club
protest meeting tonight reminded me how
completely effortlessly the Republicans
and Democrats have reversed sides ovet
this issue, and that there is a lot of mileage
to be had for Liberty including the liberty to
smoke whatever we damn please into our
own lungs.

Democrats are supposed to believe in
democratic rule. Whatever the majority
says is law. Also the Deemocrats, since at
least 1932 have believed that the
Constittution and States Rights stand in
the way of a Progressive Federal
government. The Democrats since that
time have stressed the importance of the
commerce clause of the Constitution. The
entire edifice of the New Deal, Social
Security, Medicare, OSHA, EPA, FBI, ATF,
DEA, are all built on the foundation of the
Constitutional clause that allows congress
to regulate interstate commerce....
Everybody knows deep down that the
coronation of the commerce clause is in
vilation of the meaning of the Constitution,
and thus nearly everyone has been
schooled in the idea that ways must be
found to get around the original intent of
the Constitution because times are
different and what the Co;nstitution says
must be over ridden by the necessity of
changes in the modern world. Many young
progressives are further educated to
believe that the ideas embodied in the
constitution are invalid because tha color
of the skin of the people who wrote it were
white, and the gender of the writers was
male, and some had slaves. Therfore,the
truth of ideas is dependants on the color of
skin of those who originated the ideas.
Nevertheless, it is the commerce clause on
which the entire leviathan is built.
Democrats know this... and that is why no
upper level Democrats have the cajones to
oppose the DEA and defend the pot clubs.
The Democrats are doing what Democrats
do. Obeying the popular will and defeding
the commerce clause. That is why there
are no prominent democrats defending the
pot clubs. Nor is there any resolution on
either the SF democratic party or the
Harvey Milk Democratic Party website.
What else can we conclude but that the
Democrats in thier hearts support the DEA
raids. We Libertarians dare the Democrats
to speak out in defense of individuall
liberty. We dare them to oppose the DEA
raids, to introduce legiislation to block
them, and to recognize the rughts of San
Franciscans and Californians to regain
soverignty over thier lungs, thier persons,
thier cities and thier state. For Nancy
Pilosi, Barbara Boxer and Dianne
Feinstein not to take a stand now against
Federal tyranny is a clear statement on
thier part that they fundamentally support
Federal tyranny in all it's forms. If they fail
to take a stand they must be replaced at
the next election. Failure to take a stand
here implies suppoer for structure that
allows this President and future Presidents
to ignore the Constitution and give them
the means to do it. Come on Barbara
Bocer, you are the brave one. Lets hear
from you. How about some speaches,
how about you barring the door of a pot
club to defend it against the DEA.

Now for the Republicans. The dissent in
the pot club case was submitted by
Republican appontees Thomas, O'Co;nnor
and Rhenquist. They argued that clearly
pot grown and consumed in California was
not in Interste commerce. Thomas
eloquently pleaded that the abuse of the
interstate commerce clause makes a farce
of the Constitution's priciples of
government limited to the powers
enumerated in the Constitution. Thus
opposing the DEA and supporting our
State's Sovereignty and the Constitution is
the only principled action the Governor can
take. His silence makes him a true
Democrat who rules in contempt of
Republican values such as respect for
States's rights and repect for Constitutional
restaints on Federal power. Perhaps the
Governator, just like the Terminator, has
been captured and reprogramed by the
Democrats. Come on Arnie, fight the
Force, regain your primary objective, stand
up to Federal power. Stand in the door of
a pot club and defend the rights of
Calofornia. Every real Republican will
applaud you, and you will in this single act
send a steam pipe through the interstae
commerce clause and end the paaahhrty
for the Democratic Party.

Can we get support from the state lp to
make a press release or support us in
making one. Can we give the examiner an
exclusive in a press relaese. Any help or
suggestions in how to throw down the
gauntlet to Pilosi and Arnold.

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Great writing and great points, Phil. Yes, we should do more writing
to the public, expressing ideas as you have done in your e-mail. I
am wondering if Justin is still looking for material for the upcoming
Newsletter; if so, maybe he will consider printing your essay (and if
so, I will volunteer to edit if Justin is up against the deadline).

Of course, we should not stop with the Newsletter as far as writings
such as yours. But, I have never been able to figure what "press
releases" are and what they are supposed to do. Letters to editors,
like Ron Getty has been doing, for example, might be the way to go.

As an aside, I completely agree that the commerce clause has been
used as an excuse for the Feds to invade states rights. So has the
equal protection clause if you go back to the segragationists'
arguments back in the 50's. Thus, the political reluctance to
condemn the Feds when they use clauses in the constitution to hit us
over the head. Witness the firestorn over the recent eminent domain
decision, where the Feds, for a change, left states matters to the
states.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, "ricochetboy" <philzberg@e...>
wrote:
>
> Attending the tail end of the pot club
> protest meeting tonight reminded me how
> completely effortlessly the Republicans
> and Democrats have reversed sides ovet
> this issue, and that there is a lot of mileage
> to be had for Liberty including the liberty to
> smoke whatever we damn please into our
> own lungs.
>
> Democrats are supposed to believe in
> democratic rule. Whatever the majority
> says is law. Also the Deemocrats, since at
> least 1932 have believed that the
> Constittution and States Rights stand in
> the way of a Progressive Federal
> government. The Democrats since that
> time have stressed the importance of the
> commerce clause of the Constitution. The
> entire edifice of the New Deal, Social
> Security, Medicare, OSHA, EPA, FBI, ATF,
> DEA, are all built on the foundation of the
> Constitutional clause that allows congress
> to regulate interstate commerce....
> Everybody knows deep down that the
> coronation of the commerce clause is in
> vilation of the meaning of the Constitution,
> and thus nearly everyone has been
> schooled in the idea that ways must be
> found to get around the original intent of
> the Constitution because times are
> different and what the Co;nstitution says
> must be over ridden by the necessity of
> changes in the modern world. Many young
> progressives are further educated to
> believe that the ideas embodied in the
> constitution are invalid because tha color
> of the skin of the people who wrote it were
> white, and the gender of the writers was
> male, and some had slaves. Therfore,the
> truth of ideas is dependants on the color of
> skin of those who originated the ideas.
> Nevertheless, it is the commerce clause on
> which the entire leviathan is built.
> Democrats know this... and that is why no
> upper level Democrats have the cajones to
> oppose the DEA and defend the pot clubs.
> The Democrats are doing what Democrats
> do. Obeying the popular will and defeding
> the commerce clause. That is why there
> are no prominent democrats defending the
> pot clubs. Nor is there any resolution on
> either the SF democratic party or the
> Harvey Milk Democratic Party website.
> What else can we conclude but that the
> Democrats in thier hearts support the DEA
> raids. We Libertarians dare the Democrats
> to speak out in defense of individuall
> liberty. We dare them to oppose the DEA
> raids, to introduce legiislation to block
> them, and to recognize the rughts of San
> Franciscans and Californians to regain
> soverignty over thier lungs, thier persons,
> thier cities and thier state. For Nancy
> Pilosi, Barbara Boxer and Dianne
> Feinstein not to take a stand now against
> Federal tyranny is a clear statement on
> thier part that they fundamentally support
> Federal tyranny in all it's forms. If they fail
> to take a stand they must be replaced at
> the next election. Failure to take a stand
> here implies suppoer for structure that
> allows this President and future Presidents
> to ignore the Constitution and give them
> the means to do it. Come on Barbara
> Bocer, you are the brave one. Lets hear
> from you. How about some speaches,
> how about you barring the door of a pot
> club to defend it against the DEA.
>
> Now for the Republicans. The dissent in
> the pot club case was submitted by
> Republican appontees Thomas, O'Co;nnor
> and Rhenquist. They argued that clearly
> pot grown and consumed in California was
> not in Interste commerce. Thomas
> eloquently pleaded that the abuse of the
> interstate commerce clause makes a farce
> of the Constitution's priciples of
> government limited to the powers
> enumerated in the Constitution. Thus
> opposing the DEA and supporting our
> State's Sovereignty and the Constitution is
> the only principled action the Governor can
> take. His silence makes him a true
> Democrat who rules in contempt of
> Republican values such as respect for
> States's rights and repect for Constitutional
> restaints on Federal power. Perhaps the
> Governator, just like the Terminator, has
> been captured and reprogramed by the
> Democrats. Come on Arnie, fight the
> Force, regain your primary objective, stand
> up to Federal power. Stand in the door of
> a pot club and defend the rights of
> Calofornia. Every real Republican will
> applaud you, and you will in this single act
> send a steam pipe through the interstae
> commerce clause and end the paaahhrty
> for the Democratic Party.
>
> Can we get support from the state lp to
> make a press release or support us in
> making one. Can we give the examiner an
> exclusive in a press relaese. Any help or
> suggestions in how to throw down the
> gauntlet to Pilosi and Arnold.
>

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