Dear Marcy;
Guess what? You are right - as an example 70% of the students going to 2 year junior colleges need remedial courses in math and english and 50% of the students going to 4 year colleges need remedial help in math and english
An acquaitanance of mine is a professor at San Mateo State and he aggreed 70% of his class students need help with english and math and when a student shows up who does not need help he is amazed.
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
Dear Ron and Eric,
In my mind the poster child that symbolizes what Ron is saying about
kids in college needing remedial assistance in english and math is
Pete, one of my classmates from high school. Pete was an Italian-
American member of a loving family from North Beach. Pete probably
had an IQ of 1,000,000, was a beloved "Yell Leader" (how many of you
youngsters know what this is?), president of his class, voted most
likely to succeed, etc. So Pete had the courage to fail in just
about all his academic classes, because his dream was to take over
his Dad's North Beach barber shop. Pete believed that to be a barber
he needed to have talent, intuition, and a barber mentor; all of
which Pete had. So, we need leaders in our community who will
encourage kids like Pete. We need leaders in our community who will
not tell kids like Pete they are failures. Personally, I vote for
every one running for office who mentions vocational schooling in a
good light.
Marcy
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty <tradergroupe@...>
wrote:
Dear Marcy;
Guess what? You are right - as an example 70% of the students going
to 2 year junior colleges need remedial courses in math and english
and 50% of the students going to 4 year colleges need remedial help
in math and english
An acquaitanance of mine is a professor at San Mateo State and he
aggreed 70% of his class students need help with english and math and
when a student shows up who does not need help he is amazed.
Ron Getty
SF LibertarianFrom: Amarcy D. Berry <amarcyb@...>
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:26:19 PM
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: SF Examiner Publishes My Anti-School
LTE With Affiliation
Dear Ron and Eric,
I readily admit that I am a conspiracy theorist, and having said
that, here is my take on the relatively new fashion of pushing all
kids to attend four-year colleges rather than encourage those who
wish to take shop courses or guild apprentiships: the enormous
profits generated by private lenders of *government guaranteed*
school loans. I would bet most of these loans are for white collar
professions generated in the four year colleges, as well as
professional schools (law schools, medical schools, etc.). And I
would bet this lucrative market would not exist if more kids were
not
told by people they trust (parents, teachers, councellors) that
they
are failures unless they attend college.
Marcy
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "eric dupree"
<dupreeconsults@> wrote:
>
> You're right about shop courses. Most of My college bound friends
ended up in shop fields.
>
> Ron when and how did our present ed systm began?
> Did Brown vs Board of Ed balloon the system?
> > From: "Ron Getty" <tradergroupe@>
> > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] SF Examiner Publishes My Anti-
School
LTE With Affiliation
> > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:51:18 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >
> > Dear Phil;
> >
> > They wouldn't be forced to at all - it would be their choice to
get
> > an education for their children.
> >
> > If there were no government schools there would be a vast array
of
> > private schools and parochial schools or even neighborhood
schools
> > or home schooling schools. There would be choices and I would
be
> > willing to bet there would be schools for parents children
where
> > the parents did not have enough income to pay for schooling
where
> > there would be scholarships to cover the costs of the
schooling.
Or
> > even wealthy people doanating schools for children to attend.
> >
> > I believe the choices made available through free enterprise
would
> > make it possible to have each child have an educational choice
> > including having children being taught the profit making
potentials
> > for a lifetime of employment in "shop courses" like
electrician -
> > carpentry - auto repair - plumbing - carpentry where once you
have
> > those skill sets you are employed for life - even if you didn't
> > attend some fancy ivy league college.
> >
> > Ron getty
> > SF Libertarian
> >
> > From: Philip Berg <philzberg@>
> > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:38:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] SF Examiner Publishes My Anti-
School
> > LTE With Affiliation
> >
> >
> > Ron, Great letter, but I would like to know how parents would
be
> > forced to send their kids to school?
> > From: Ron Getty
> > To: Libertarian Yahoo Group ; Salon_Liberty@yahoogroups.com ;
CAL-
LIBS
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:20 AM
> > Subject: [lpsf-discuss] SF Examiner Publishes My Anti-School
LTE
> > With Affiliation
> >
> >
> > Dear Everyone;
> >
> > After the $3 million school study was released showing
California
> > schools were having serious problems the SF Examiner had an
> > editorial about the problems. I took the opportunity to present
a
> > radical fix for California schools along with some pertinent
facts
> > and the SF Examiner agreed and published with affiliation.
> >
> > Right below my LTE was one from a school librarian talking
about
> > the lack of librarians. Here's a fact I found for a previous op-
ed:
> > California has 4,000 school psychologists but only 1,000 school
> > librarians. Priorities seem a little skewed.
> >
> > Ron Getty
> > SF Libertarian
> >
> >
> > http://www.examiner.com/a-628590~Letters__March_20__2007.html
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/2ln6fy
> >
> > Letters: March 20, 2007
> > How to fix poorly performing schools
> > California's defective government school system needs a radical
fix
> > ["A chance to deliver school reform," March 19].
> > The gargantuan $63 billion school system is a public jobs
program
> > with highly paid "baby sitters" averaging $56,000 in pay; 6.3
> > million students attend 9,300 schools with 300,000 teachers and
> > 25,000 support personnel. The Department of Education has
another
> > 2,500 employees and a $300 million budget.
> > Politicians and school bureaucrats control government schools
> > miring them in legislation and red tape-ridden bureaucratic
> > guidelines. Politicians dictating what's taught and how it's
taught
> > results in dumbed-down curriculum with emphasis on passing
mandated
> > school funding tests instead of learning.
> > Remove politics from education by repealing the politicized
> > Education Code. Dismantle the Department of Education and
return
> > control of schools to local parents. Eliminate school taxes and
> > require parents to pay for their own children's education. Stop
> > forcing people to pay for someone else's children to attend
> > malfunctioning government schools.
> > Ron Getty
> > Chair, Initiatives Committee
> > Libertarian Party of San Francisco
> >
> >
> >
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