San Francisco Taxpayers Union meeting report (April 11)

I've been meaning to post some notes on this meeting I went to with Sarosh last Monday morning. It really was much better organized and attended than I'd expected. With the idea that I might lobby for a libertarian direction for the group, I ran off 30 copies of some materials I put together (see attachment), thinking that would be plenty. After all, how many people would come to a meeting at 730am in the morning? As it turned out, the answer was 60 or 70.

  It was a good cross-section of the conservative-leaning power players in SF politics. Residential Builders leader Joe O'Donoghue was there. Former Supervisor and Treasure Island director Tony Hall was there. Journalists Adriel Hampton and Warren Hinckle were there (Warren with his floppy-eared dog). GOP chair Mike DeNunzio was there. Someone from Mayor Gavin Newsom's office (didn't catch his name) was there. Myrna Lim, a candidate for Supervisor who I endorsed in District 11 last year, was there. Other attendees included Scott Hauge of the Small Business Owners; former Activist Forum speaker Steve Cornell of Brownie's Hardware; Geary Merchants association leader David Heller; and last but not least, the MC of the whole thing was the notorious political consultant and Willie Brown crony Jack Davis.

  When I arrived, there were people at the door with information and buttons for the San Francisco Taxpayers Union, and the place was adorned with smart-looking banners and window signs. There was free pastries, fruit and coffee. Davis gave a speech which was mostly just a litany of thanking various people for their help and for showing up (most of the individuals were in the room). I learned that they already have a website (http://www.sftaxpayersunion.org/index.html), a steering committee which is composed of representatives of various groups, and they have come up with a mission statement. When I heard that this had already been done without Libertarians being invited, and that Davis did not acknowledge us or that I was sitting there (in fairness he may not have known who I am), I was kind of pissed. I approached him about it afterward, and he stressed that we were certainly welcome to have a seat on the steering committee, all we had to do was sign the mission statement. This aroused my suspicions -- how good a pro-taxpayer statement could a bunch of Republicans and business leaders, apparently led by one of the city's top political wheeler-dealers, come up with?

  Well, again I was pleasantly surprised. It turns out that the answer is "a very libertarian one." Here is the full text:

Hi Starchild,

Thanks for going to the meeting and for posting the report. You are
correct, their mission statement sounds pretty much OK. You
mentioned Republicans spearheading this group. Sounds like S.F.
Republicans are seeing the light. On the Saturday of our last LPSF
meeting, I met two Republicans who were having a meeting just prior
to ours, and they were all for alliances with our group to fight
government encroachment; I will keep them in mind, and hope you or
others can think of ways of working with them.

I will visit the Taxpayers Union Website and join. Since you are our
Outreach Director, I would think you are automatically liaison.
Thanks again.

Marcy

  I've been meaning to post some notes on this meeting I went

to with

Sarosh last Monday morning. It really was much better organized

and

attended than I'd expected. With the idea that I might lobby for a
libertarian direction for the group, I ran off 30 copies of some
materials I put together (see attachment), thinking that would be
plenty. After all, how many people would come to a meeting at 730am

in

the morning? As it turned out, the answer was 60 or 70.

  It was a good cross-section of the conservative-leaning power

players

in SF politics. Residential Builders leader Joe O'Donoghue was

there.

Former Supervisor and Treasure Island director Tony Hall was

there.

Journalists Adriel Hampton and Warren Hinckle were there (Warren

with

his floppy-eared dog). GOP chair Mike DeNunzio was there. Someone

from

Mayor Gavin Newsom's office (didn't catch his name) was there.

Myrna

Lim, a candidate for Supervisor who I endorsed in District 11 last
year, was there. Other attendees included Scott Hauge of the Small
Business Owners; former Activist Forum speaker Steve Cornell of
Brownie's Hardware; Geary Merchants association leader David

Heller;

and last but not least, the MC of the whole thing was the

notorious

political consultant and Willie Brown crony Jack Davis.

  When I arrived, there were people at the door with

information and

buttons for the San Francisco Taxpayers Union, and the place was
adorned with smart-looking banners and window signs. There was

free

pastries, fruit and coffee. Davis gave a speech which was mostly

just a

litany of thanking various people for their help and for showing

up

(most of the individuals were in the room). I learned that they

already

have a website (http://www.sftaxpayersunion.org/index.html), a

steering

committee which is composed of representatives of various groups,

and

they have come up with a mission statement. When I heard that this

had

already been done without Libertarians being invited, and that

Davis

did not acknowledge us or that I was sitting there (in fairness he

may

not have known who I am), I was kind of pissed. I approached him

about

it afterward, and he stressed that we were certainly welcome to

have a

seat on the steering committee, all we had to do was sign the

mission

statement. This aroused my suspicions -- how good a pro-taxpayer
statement could a bunch of Republicans and business leaders,

apparently

led by one of the city's top political wheeler-dealers, come up

with?

  Well, again I was pleasantly surprised. It turns out that the

answer

Thanks, Marcy. I request an Executive Committee vote in support of the SF Taxpayers Union mission statement (below) ASAP, so we can be formally on board as an organization.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

Starchild,

My vote is yes. And I have forwarded your e-mail to the Activist
List.

Marcy

  Thanks, Marcy. I request an Executive Committee vote in

support of the

SF Taxpayers Union mission statement (below) ASAP, so we can be
formally on board as an organization.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

> Hi Starchild,
>
> Thanks for going to the meeting and for posting the report. You

are

> correct, their mission statement sounds pretty much OK. You
> mentioned Republicans spearheading this group. Sounds like S.F.
> Republicans are seeing the light. On the Saturday of our last

LPSF

> meeting, I met two Republicans who were having a meeting just

prior

> to ours, and they were all for alliances with our group to fight
> government encroachment; I will keep them in mind, and hope you or
> others can think of ways of working with them.
>
> I will visit the Taxpayers Union Website and join. Since you are

our

> Outreach Director, I would think you are automatically liaison.
> Thanks again.
>
> Marcy
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>

wrote:

>> I've been meaning to post some notes on this meeting I went
> to with
>> Sarosh last Monday morning. It really was much better organized
> and
>> attended than I'd expected. With the idea that I might lobby for

a

>> libertarian direction for the group, I ran off 30 copies of some
>> materials I put together (see attachment), thinking that would be
>> plenty. After all, how many people would come to a meeting at

730am

> in
>> the morning? As it turned out, the answer was 60 or 70.
>>
>> It was a good cross-section of the conservative-leaning power
> players
>> in SF politics. Residential Builders leader Joe O'Donoghue was
> there.
>> Former Supervisor and Treasure Island director Tony Hall was
> there.
>> Journalists Adriel Hampton and Warren Hinckle were there (Warren
> with
>> his floppy-eared dog). GOP chair Mike DeNunzio was there. Someone
> from
>> Mayor Gavin Newsom's office (didn't catch his name) was there.
> Myrna
>> Lim, a candidate for Supervisor who I endorsed in District 11

last

>> year, was there. Other attendees included Scott Hauge of the

Small

>> Business Owners; former Activist Forum speaker Steve Cornell of
>> Brownie's Hardware; Geary Merchants association leader David
> Heller;
>> and last but not least, the MC of the whole thing was the
> notorious
>> political consultant and Willie Brown crony Jack Davis.
>>
>> When I arrived, there were people at the door with
> information and
>> buttons for the San Francisco Taxpayers Union, and the place was
>> adorned with smart-looking banners and window signs. There was
> free
>> pastries, fruit and coffee. Davis gave a speech which was mostly
> just a
>> litany of thanking various people for their help and for showing
> up
>> (most of the individuals were in the room). I learned that they
> already
>> have a website (http://www.sftaxpayersunion.org/index.html), a
> steering
>> committee which is composed of representatives of various groups,
> and
>> they have come up with a mission statement. When I heard that

this

> had
>> already been done without Libertarians being invited, and that
> Davis
>> did not acknowledge us or that I was sitting there (in fairness

he

Their website has photos of their innaugural meeting on April 11.
Nice group. You might want to sing up.

http://www.sftaxpayersunion.org

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...>
wrote:

Starchild,

My vote is yes. And I have forwarded your e-mail to the Activist
List.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>

wrote:

> Thanks, Marcy. I request an Executive Committee vote in
support of the
> SF Taxpayers Union mission statement (below) ASAP, so we can be
> formally on board as an organization.
>
> Yours in liberty,
> <<< Starchild >>>
>
>
>
> > Hi Starchild,
> >
> > Thanks for going to the meeting and for posting the report.

You

are
> > correct, their mission statement sounds pretty much OK. You
> > mentioned Republicans spearheading this group. Sounds like S.F.
> > Republicans are seeing the light. On the Saturday of our last
LPSF
> > meeting, I met two Republicans who were having a meeting just
prior
> > to ours, and they were all for alliances with our group to fight
> > government encroachment; I will keep them in mind, and hope you

or

> > others can think of ways of working with them.
> >
> > I will visit the Taxpayers Union Website and join. Since you

are

our
> > Outreach Director, I would think you are automatically liaison.
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > Marcy
> >
> > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:
> >> I've been meaning to post some notes on this meeting I went
> > to with
> >> Sarosh last Monday morning. It really was much better organized
> > and
> >> attended than I'd expected. With the idea that I might lobby

for

a
> >> libertarian direction for the group, I ran off 30 copies of

some

> >> materials I put together (see attachment), thinking that would

be

> >> plenty. After all, how many people would come to a meeting at
730am
> > in
> >> the morning? As it turned out, the answer was 60 or 70.
> >>
> >> It was a good cross-section of the conservative-leaning power
> > players
> >> in SF politics. Residential Builders leader Joe O'Donoghue was
> > there.
> >> Former Supervisor and Treasure Island director Tony Hall was
> > there.
> >> Journalists Adriel Hampton and Warren Hinckle were there

(Warren

> > with
> >> his floppy-eared dog). GOP chair Mike DeNunzio was there.

Someone

> > from
> >> Mayor Gavin Newsom's office (didn't catch his name) was there.
> > Myrna
> >> Lim, a candidate for Supervisor who I endorsed in District 11
last
> >> year, was there. Other attendees included Scott Hauge of the
Small
> >> Business Owners; former Activist Forum speaker Steve Cornell of
> >> Brownie's Hardware; Geary Merchants association leader David
> > Heller;
> >> and last but not least, the MC of the whole thing was the
> > notorious
> >> political consultant and Willie Brown crony Jack Davis.
> >>
> >> When I arrived, there were people at the door with
> > information and
> >> buttons for the San Francisco Taxpayers Union, and the place

was

> >> adorned with smart-looking banners and window signs. There was
> > free
> >> pastries, fruit and coffee. Davis gave a speech which was

mostly

> > just a
> >> litany of thanking various people for their help and for

showing

> > up
> >> (most of the individuals were in the room). I learned that they
> > already
> >> have a website (http://www.sftaxpayersunion.org/index.html), a
> > steering
> >> committee which is composed of representatives of various

groups,

> > and
> >> they have come up with a mission statement. When I heard that
this
> > had
> >> already been done without Libertarians being invited, and that
> > Davis
> >> did not acknowledge us or that I was sitting there (in

fairness

he
> > may
> >> not have known who I am), I was kind of pissed. I approached

him

> > about
> >> it afterward, and he stressed that we were certainly welcome to
> > have a
> >> seat on the steering committee, all we had to do was sign the
> > mission
> >> statement. This aroused my suspicions -- how good a pro-

taxpayer

Hello - Let Me Add My Voice;

Amarcy wrote in part about the SF Taxpayers Union "You might want to sing up."

I personally see nothing wrong about not only singing up but speaking out about taxes and even shouting out about taxes. But what's the chorus going to sound like and who gonna be the Concert Meister? Will the sing out group get invited to sing it out at Union Square at High Noon to entertain passer bys? Or will it be more a sedate Chamber performance at City Hall at the Board of Supervisors meetings or in the Mayors Office?

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

"Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@...> wrote:

Their website has photos of their innaugural meeting on April 11.
Nice group. You might want to sing up.

http://www.sftaxpayersunion.org

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...>
wrote:

Starchild,

My vote is yes. And I have forwarded your e-mail to the Activist
List.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>

wrote:

> Thanks, Marcy. I request an Executive Committee vote in
support of the
> SF Taxpayers Union mission statement (below) ASAP, so we can be
> formally on board as an organization.
>
> Yours in liberty,
> <<< Starchild >>>
>
>
>
> > Hi Starchild,
> >
> > Thanks for going to the meeting and for posting the report.

You

are
> > correct, their mission statement sounds pretty much OK. You
> > mentioned Republicans spearheading this group. Sounds like S.F.
> > Republicans are seeing the light. On the Saturday of our last
LPSF
> > meeting, I met two Republicans who were having a meeting just
prior
> > to ours, and they were all for alliances with our group to fight
> > government encroachment; I will keep them in mind, and hope you

or

> > others can think of ways of working with them.
> >
> > I will visit the Taxpayers Union Website and join. Since you

are

our
> > Outreach Director, I would think you are automatically liaison.
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > Marcy
> >
> > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:
> >> I've been meaning to post some notes on this meeting I went
> > to with
> >> Sarosh last Monday morning. It really was much better organized
> > and
> >> attended than I'd expected. With the idea that I might lobby

for

a
> >> libertarian direction for the group, I ran off 30 copies of

some

> >> materials I put together (see attachment), thinking that would

be

> >> plenty. After all, how many people would come to a meeting at
730am
> > in
> >> the morning? As it turned out, the answer was 60 or 70.
> >>
> >> It was a good cross-section of the conservative-leaning power
> > players
> >> in SF politics. Residential Builders leader Joe O'Donoghue was
> > there.
> >> Former Supervisor and Treasure Island director Tony Hall was
> > there.
> >> Journalists Adriel Hampton and Warren Hinckle were there

(Warren

> > with
> >> his floppy-eared dog). GOP chair Mike DeNunzio was there.

Someone

> > from
> >> Mayor Gavin Newsom's office (didn't catch his name) was there.
> > Myrna
> >> Lim, a candidate for Supervisor who I endorsed in District 11
last
> >> year, was there. Other attendees included Scott Hauge of the
Small
> >> Business Owners; former Activist Forum speaker Steve Cornell of
> >> Brownie's Hardware; Geary Merchants association leader David
> > Heller;
> >> and last but not least, the MC of the whole thing was the
> > notorious
> >> political consultant and Willie Brown crony Jack Davis.
> >>
> >> When I arrived, there were people at the door with
> > information and
> >> buttons for the San Francisco Taxpayers Union, and the place

was

> >> adorned with smart-looking banners and window signs. There was
> > free
> >> pastries, fruit and coffee. Davis gave a speech which was

mostly

> > just a
> >> litany of thanking various people for their help and for

showing

> > up
> >> (most of the individuals were in the room). I learned that they
> > already
> >> have a website (http://www.sftaxpayersunion.org/index.html), a
> > steering
> >> committee which is composed of representatives of various

groups,

> > and
> >> they have come up with a mission statement. When I heard that
this
> > had
> >> already been done without Libertarians being invited, and that
> > Davis
> >> did not acknowledge us or that I was sitting there (in

fairness

he
> > may
> >> not have known who I am), I was kind of pissed. I approached

him

> > about
> >> it afterward, and he stressed that we were certainly welcome to
> > have a
> >> seat on the steering committee, all we had to do was sign the
> > mission
> >> statement. This aroused my suspicions -- how good a pro-

taxpayer

Hi Ron,

You could be Concert Meister..and while you are at it, please also
sign up at the Taxpayers Union website!!

Regards,

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ronald Getty <tradergroupe@y...>
wrote:

Hello - Let Me Add My Voice;

Amarcy wrote in part about the SF Taxpayers Union "You might want

to sing up."

I personally see nothing wrong about not only singing up but

speaking out about taxes and even shouting out about taxes. But
what's the chorus going to sound like and who gonna be the Concert
Meister? Will the sing out group get invited to sing it out at Union
Square at High Noon to entertain passer bys? Or will it be more a
sedate Chamber performance at City Hall at the Board of Supervisors
meetings or in the Mayors Office?

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

"Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...> wrote:

Their website has photos of their innaugural meeting on April 11.
Nice group. You might want to sing up.

http://www.sftaxpayersunion.org

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry"

<amarcyb@h...>

wrote:
>
> Starchild,
>
> My vote is yes. And I have forwarded your e-mail to the Activist
> List.
>
> Marcy
>
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:
> > Thanks, Marcy. I request an Executive Committee vote in
> support of the
> > SF Taxpayers Union mission statement (below) ASAP, so we can be
> > formally on board as an organization.
> >
> > Yours in liberty,
> > <<< Starchild >>>
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi Starchild,
> > >
> > > Thanks for going to the meeting and for posting the report.
You
> are
> > > correct, their mission statement sounds pretty much OK. You
> > > mentioned Republicans spearheading this group. Sounds like

S.F.

> > > Republicans are seeing the light. On the Saturday of our

last

> LPSF
> > > meeting, I met two Republicans who were having a meeting just
> prior
> > > to ours, and they were all for alliances with our group to

fight

> > > government encroachment; I will keep them in mind, and hope

you

or
> > > others can think of ways of working with them.
> > >
> > > I will visit the Taxpayers Union Website and join. Since you
are
> our
> > > Outreach Director, I would think you are automatically

liaison.

> > > Thanks again.
> > >
> > > Marcy
> > >
> > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild

<sfdreamer@e...>

> wrote:
> > >> I've been meaning to post some notes on this meeting I

went

> > > to with
> > >> Sarosh last Monday morning. It really was much better

organized

> > > and
> > >> attended than I'd expected. With the idea that I might lobby
for
> a
> > >> libertarian direction for the group, I ran off 30 copies of
some
> > >> materials I put together (see attachment), thinking that

would

be
> > >> plenty. After all, how many people would come to a meeting

at

> 730am
> > > in
> > >> the morning? As it turned out, the answer was 60 or 70.
> > >>
> > >> It was a good cross-section of the conservative-

leaning power

> > > players
> > >> in SF politics. Residential Builders leader Joe O'Donoghue

was

> > > there.
> > >> Former Supervisor and Treasure Island director Tony Hall was
> > > there.
> > >> Journalists Adriel Hampton and Warren Hinckle were there
(Warren
> > > with
> > >> his floppy-eared dog). GOP chair Mike DeNunzio was there.
Someone
> > > from
> > >> Mayor Gavin Newsom's office (didn't catch his name) was

there.

> > > Myrna
> > >> Lim, a candidate for Supervisor who I endorsed in District

11

> last
> > >> year, was there. Other attendees included Scott Hauge of the
> Small
> > >> Business Owners; former Activist Forum speaker Steve Cornell

of

> > >> Brownie's Hardware; Geary Merchants association leader David
> > > Heller;
> > >> and last but not least, the MC of the whole thing was the
> > > notorious
> > >> political consultant and Willie Brown crony Jack Davis.
> > >>
> > >> When I arrived, there were people at the door with
> > > information and
> > >> buttons for the San Francisco Taxpayers Union, and the place
was
> > >> adorned with smart-looking banners and window signs. There

was

> > > free
> > >> pastries, fruit and coffee. Davis gave a speech which was
mostly
> > > just a
> > >> litany of thanking various people for their help and for
showing
> > > up
> > >> (most of the individuals were in the room). I learned that

they

> > > already
> > >> have a website (http://www.sftaxpayersunion.org/index.html),

a

> > > steering
> > >> committee which is composed of representatives of various
groups,
> > > and
> > >> they have come up with a mission statement. When I heard

that

> this
> > > had
> > >> already been done without Libertarians being invited, and

that

> > > Davis
> > >> did not acknowledge us or that I was sitting there (in
fairness
> he
> > > may
> > >> not have known who I am), I was kind of pissed. I approached
him
> > > about
> > >> it afterward, and he stressed that we were certainly welcome

to

> > > have a
> > >> seat on the steering committee, all we had to do was sign the
> > > mission
> > >> statement. This aroused my suspicions -- how good a pro-
taxpayer
> > >> statement could a bunch of Republicans and business leaders,
> > > apparently
> > >> led by one of the city's top political wheeler-dealers, come

up

> > > with?
> > >>
> > >> Well, again I was pleasantly surprised. It turns out

that the

Amarcy

As Curly of the Three Stooges was noted as saying; " Soitantly - Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk."

Or as Tonto once said to the Lone Ranger; " Kimo Sabe - me see sign of tax revolt."

At which the Lone Ranger said; " Might be a good time to invest in more silver bullets as hedge against market downturn until the country gets back on the Gold Standard." The Lone Ranger then asked, " Tonto - have you heard any more on those ancient Indian legends about the Lost Gold of The Conquistadors?"

And then Tonto said, " Kimo Sabe - If I tell you about ancient Indian Legend can I stop hunting down silver bullets which miss target and join SF Taxpayers Union?"

Hi Yo SIlver!!! Dada duh dada duh dada dada dada duh .......

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

"Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

You could be Concert Meister..and while you are at it, please also
sign up at the Taxpayers Union website!!

Regards,

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ronald Getty <tradergroupe@y...>
wrote:

Hello - Let Me Add My Voice;

Amarcy wrote in part about the SF Taxpayers Union "You might want

to sing up."

I personally see nothing wrong about not only singing up but

speaking out about taxes and even shouting out about taxes. But
what's the chorus going to sound like and who gonna be the Concert
Meister? Will the sing out group get invited to sing it out at Union
Square at High Noon to entertain passer bys? Or will it be more a
sedate Chamber performance at City Hall at the Board of Supervisors
meetings or in the Mayors Office?

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

"Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...> wrote:

Their website has photos of their innaugural meeting on April 11.
Nice group. You might want to sing up.

http://www.sftaxpayersunion.org

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry"

<amarcyb@h...>

wrote:
>
> Starchild,
>
> My vote is yes. And I have forwarded your e-mail to the Activist
> List.
>
> Marcy
>
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:
> > Thanks, Marcy. I request an Executive Committee vote in
> support of the
> > SF Taxpayers Union mission statement (below) ASAP, so we can be
> > formally on board as an organization.
> >
> > Yours in liberty,
> > <<< Starchild >>>
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi Starchild,
> > >
> > > Thanks for going to the meeting and for posting the report.
You
> are
> > > correct, their mission statement sounds pretty much OK. You
> > > mentioned Republicans spearheading this group. Sounds like

S.F.

> > > Republicans are seeing the light. On the Saturday of our

last

> LPSF
> > > meeting, I met two Republicans who were having a meeting just
> prior
> > > to ours, and they were all for alliances with our group to

fight

> > > government encroachment; I will keep them in mind, and hope

you

or
> > > others can think of ways of working with them.
> > >
> > > I will visit the Taxpayers Union Website and join. Since you
are
> our
> > > Outreach Director, I would think you are automatically

liaison.

> > > Thanks again.
> > >
> > > Marcy
> > >
> > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild

<sfdreamer@e...>

> wrote:
> > >> I've been meaning to post some notes on this meeting I

went

> > > to with
> > >> Sarosh last Monday morning. It really was much better

organized

> > > and
> > >> attended than I'd expected. With the idea that I might lobby
for
> a
> > >> libertarian direction for the group, I ran off 30 copies of
some
> > >> materials I put together (see attachment), thinking that

would

be
> > >> plenty. After all, how many people would come to a meeting

at

> 730am
> > > in
> > >> the morning? As it turned out, the answer was 60 or 70.
> > >>
> > >> It was a good cross-section of the conservative-

leaning power

> > > players
> > >> in SF politics. Residential Builders leader Joe O'Donoghue

was

> > > there.
> > >> Former Supervisor and Treasure Island director Tony Hall was
> > > there.
> > >> Journalists Adriel Hampton and Warren Hinckle were there
(Warren
> > > with
> > >> his floppy-eared dog). GOP chair Mike DeNunzio was there.
Someone
> > > from
> > >> Mayor Gavin Newsom's office (didn't catch his name) was

there.

> > > Myrna
> > >> Lim, a candidate for Supervisor who I endorsed in District

11

> last
> > >> year, was there. Other attendees included Scott Hauge of the
> Small
> > >> Business Owners; former Activist Forum speaker Steve Cornell

of

> > >> Brownie's Hardware; Geary Merchants association leader David
> > > Heller;
> > >> and last but not least, the MC of the whole thing was the
> > > notorious
> > >> political consultant and Willie Brown crony Jack Davis.
> > >>
> > >> When I arrived, there were people at the door with
> > > information and
> > >> buttons for the San Francisco Taxpayers Union, and the place
was
> > >> adorned with smart-looking banners and window signs. There

was

> > > free
> > >> pastries, fruit and coffee. Davis gave a speech which was
mostly
> > > just a
> > >> litany of thanking various people for their help and for
showing
> > > up
> > >> (most of the individuals were in the room). I learned that

they

> > > already
> > >> have a website (http://www.sftaxpayersunion.org/index.html),

a

> > > steering
> > >> committee which is composed of representatives of various
groups,
> > > and
> > >> they have come up with a mission statement. When I heard

that

> this
> > > had
> > >> already been done without Libertarians being invited, and

that

> > > Davis
> > >> did not acknowledge us or that I was sitting there (in
fairness
> he
> > > may
> > >> not have known who I am), I was kind of pissed. I approached
him
> > > about
> > >> it afterward, and he stressed that we were certainly welcome

to

> > > have a
> > >> seat on the steering committee, all we had to do was sign the
> > > mission
> > >> statement. This aroused my suspicions -- how good a pro-
taxpayer
> > >> statement could a bunch of Republicans and business leaders,
> > > apparently
> > >> led by one of the city's top political wheeler-dealers, come

up

> > > with?
> > >>
> > >> Well, again I was pleasantly surprised. It turns out

that the

OK, I will sign up for the Gold Standard Society today! Oh, wait, I
already belong to the San Francisco chapter of the gold standard
society. So, I will work with the Taxpayers Union right now, until
the Gold Standard Society takes over. Deal?

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ronald Getty <tradergroupe@y...>
wrote:

Amarcy

As Curly of the Three Stooges was noted as saying; " Soitantly -

Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk."

Or as Tonto once said to the Lone Ranger; " Kimo Sabe - me see sign

of tax revolt."

At which the Lone Ranger said; " Might be a good time to invest in

more silver bullets as hedge against market downturn until the
country gets back on the Gold Standard." The Lone Ranger then
asked, " Tonto - have you heard any more on those ancient Indian
legends about the Lost Gold of The Conquistadors?"

And then Tonto said, " Kimo Sabe - If I tell you about ancient

Indian Legend can I stop hunting down silver bullets which miss
target and join SF Taxpayers Union?"

Hi Yo SIlver!!! Dada duh dada duh dada dada dada duh .......

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

"Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

You could be Concert Meister..and while you are at it, please also
sign up at the Taxpayers Union website!!

Regards,

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ronald Getty

<tradergroupe@y...>

wrote:
> Hello - Let Me Add My Voice;
>
> Amarcy wrote in part about the SF Taxpayers Union "You might want
to sing up."
>
> I personally see nothing wrong about not only singing up but
speaking out about taxes and even shouting out about taxes. But
what's the chorus going to sound like and who gonna be the Concert
Meister? Will the sing out group get invited to sing it out at

Union

Square at High Noon to entertain passer bys? Or will it be more a
sedate Chamber performance at City Hall at the Board of Supervisors
meetings or in the Mayors Office?
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...> wrote:
>
> Their website has photos of their innaugural meeting on April

11.

> Nice group. You might want to sing up.
>
> http://www.sftaxpayersunion.org
>
> Marcy
>
>
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry"
<amarcyb@h...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Starchild,
> >
> > My vote is yes. And I have forwarded your e-mail to the

Activist

> > List.
> >
> > Marcy
> >
> >
> > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
> wrote:
> > > Thanks, Marcy. I request an Executive Committee vote in
> > support of the
> > > SF Taxpayers Union mission statement (below) ASAP, so we can

be

> > > formally on board as an organization.
> > >
> > > Yours in liberty,
> > > <<< Starchild >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Starchild,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for going to the meeting and for posting the

report.

> You
> > are
> > > > correct, their mission statement sounds pretty much OK. You
> > > > mentioned Republicans spearheading this group. Sounds like
S.F.
> > > > Republicans are seeing the light. On the Saturday of our
last
> > LPSF
> > > > meeting, I met two Republicans who were having a meeting

just

> > prior
> > > > to ours, and they were all for alliances with our group to
fight
> > > > government encroachment; I will keep them in mind, and hope
you
> or
> > > > others can think of ways of working with them.
> > > >
> > > > I will visit the Taxpayers Union Website and join. Since

you

> are
> > our
> > > > Outreach Director, I would think you are automatically
liaison.
> > > > Thanks again.
> > > >
> > > > Marcy
> > > >
> > > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild
<sfdreamer@e...>
> > wrote:
> > > >> I've been meaning to post some notes on this meeting

I

went
> > > > to with
> > > >> Sarosh last Monday morning. It really was much better
organized
> > > > and
> > > >> attended than I'd expected. With the idea that I might

lobby

> for
> > a
> > > >> libertarian direction for the group, I ran off 30 copies

of

> some
> > > >> materials I put together (see attachment), thinking that
would
> be
> > > >> plenty. After all, how many people would come to a meeting
at
> > 730am
> > > > in
> > > >> the morning? As it turned out, the answer was 60 or 70.
> > > >>
> > > >> It was a good cross-section of the conservative-
leaning power
> > > > players
> > > >> in SF politics. Residential Builders leader Joe O'Donoghue
was
> > > > there.
> > > >> Former Supervisor and Treasure Island director Tony Hall

was

> > > > there.
> > > >> Journalists Adriel Hampton and Warren Hinckle were there
> (Warren
> > > > with
> > > >> his floppy-eared dog). GOP chair Mike DeNunzio was there.
> Someone
> > > > from
> > > >> Mayor Gavin Newsom's office (didn't catch his name) was
there.
> > > > Myrna
> > > >> Lim, a candidate for Supervisor who I endorsed in District
11
> > last
> > > >> year, was there. Other attendees included Scott Hauge of

the

> > Small
> > > >> Business Owners; former Activist Forum speaker Steve

Cornell

of
> > > >> Brownie's Hardware; Geary Merchants association leader

David

> > > > Heller;
> > > >> and last but not least, the MC of the whole thing was the
> > > > notorious
> > > >> political consultant and Willie Brown crony Jack Davis.
> > > >>
> > > >> When I arrived, there were people at the door with
> > > > information and
> > > >> buttons for the San Francisco Taxpayers Union, and the

place

> was
> > > >> adorned with smart-looking banners and window signs. There
was
> > > > free
> > > >> pastries, fruit and coffee. Davis gave a speech which was
> mostly
> > > > just a
> > > >> litany of thanking various people for their help and for
> showing
> > > > up
> > > >> (most of the individuals were in the room). I learned that
they
> > > > already
> > > >> have a website

(http://www.sftaxpayersunion.org/index.html),

a
> > > > steering
> > > >> committee which is composed of representatives of various
> groups,
> > > > and
> > > >> they have come up with a mission statement. When I heard
that
> > this
> > > > had
> > > >> already been done without Libertarians being invited, and
that
> > > > Davis
> > > >> did not acknowledge us or that I was sitting there (in
> fairness
> > he
> > > > may
> > > >> not have known who I am), I was kind of pissed. I

approached

> him
> > > > about
> > > >> it afterward, and he stressed that we were certainly

welcome

to
> > > > have a
> > > >> seat on the steering committee, all we had to do was sign

the

> > > > mission
> > > >> statement. This aroused my suspicions -- how good a pro-
> taxpayer
> > > >> statement could a bunch of Republicans and business

leaders,

> > > > apparently
> > > >> led by one of the city's top political wheeler-dealers,

come

Great Jumpin' Jehosophat and Darn Rooty Tooty Tooting - It's a Done Deal!

Thar's Gold in Them Thar Hills at the San Francisco Mint! And The SF Taxpayers Union just might strike Black Gold by drilling for the Mother Lode of the source of oil on Gavin Newsom's head!!

Yee Hah!

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

"Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@...> wrote:

OK, I will sign up for the Gold Standard Society today! Oh, wait, I
already belong to the San Francisco chapter of the gold standard
society. So, I will work with the Taxpayers Union right now, until
the Gold Standard Society takes over. Deal?

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ronald Getty <tradergroupe@y...>
wrote:

Amarcy

As Curly of the Three Stooges was noted as saying; " Soitantly -

Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk."

Or as Tonto once said to the Lone Ranger; " Kimo Sabe - me see sign

of tax revolt."

At which the Lone Ranger said; " Might be a good time to invest in

more silver bullets as hedge against market downturn until the
country gets back on the Gold Standard." The Lone Ranger then
asked, " Tonto - have you heard any more on those ancient Indian
legends about the Lost Gold of The Conquistadors?"

And then Tonto said, " Kimo Sabe - If I tell you about ancient

Indian Legend can I stop hunting down silver bullets which miss
target and join SF Taxpayers Union?"

Hi Yo SIlver!!! Dada duh dada duh dada dada dada duh .......

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

"Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

You could be Concert Meister..and while you are at it, please also
sign up at the Taxpayers Union website!!

Regards,

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ronald Getty

<tradergroupe@y...>

wrote:
> Hello - Let Me Add My Voice;
>
> Amarcy wrote in part about the SF Taxpayers Union "You might want
to sing up."
>
> I personally see nothing wrong about not only singing up but
speaking out about taxes and even shouting out about taxes. But
what's the chorus going to sound like and who gonna be the Concert
Meister? Will the sing out group get invited to sing it out at

Union

Square at High Noon to entertain passer bys? Or will it be more a
sedate Chamber performance at City Hall at the Board of Supervisors
meetings or in the Mayors Office?
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...> wrote:
>
> Their website has photos of their innaugural meeting on April

11.

> Nice group. You might want to sing up.
>
> http://www.sftaxpayersunion.org
>
> Marcy
>
>
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry"
<amarcyb@h...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Starchild,
> >
> > My vote is yes. And I have forwarded your e-mail to the

Activist

> > List.
> >
> > Marcy
> >
> >
> > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
> wrote:
> > > Thanks, Marcy. I request an Executive Committee vote in
> > support of the
> > > SF Taxpayers Union mission statement (below) ASAP, so we can

be

> > > formally on board as an organization.
> > >
> > > Yours in liberty,
> > > <<< Starchild >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Starchild,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for going to the meeting and for posting the

report.

> You
> > are
> > > > correct, their mission statement sounds pretty much OK. You
> > > > mentioned Republicans spearheading this group. Sounds like
S.F.
> > > > Republicans are seeing the light. On the Saturday of our
last
> > LPSF
> > > > meeting, I met two Republicans who were having a meeting

just

> > prior
> > > > to ours, and they were all for alliances with our group to
fight
> > > > government encroachment; I will keep them in mind, and hope
you
> or
> > > > others can think of ways of working with them.
> > > >
> > > > I will visit the Taxpayers Union Website and join. Since

you

> are
> > our
> > > > Outreach Director, I would think you are automatically
liaison.
> > > > Thanks again.
> > > >
> > > > Marcy
> > > >
> > > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild
<sfdreamer@e...>
> > wrote:
> > > >> I've been meaning to post some notes on this meeting

I

went
> > > > to with
> > > >> Sarosh last Monday morning. It really was much better
organized
> > > > and
> > > >> attended than I'd expected. With the idea that I might

lobby

> for
> > a
> > > >> libertarian direction for the group, I ran off 30 copies

of

> some
> > > >> materials I put together (see attachment), thinking that
would
> be
> > > >> plenty. After all, how many people would come to a meeting
at
> > 730am
> > > > in
> > > >> the morning? As it turned out, the answer was 60 or 70.
> > > >>
> > > >> It was a good cross-section of the conservative-
leaning power
> > > > players
> > > >> in SF politics. Residential Builders leader Joe O'Donoghue
was
> > > > there.
> > > >> Former Supervisor and Treasure Island director Tony Hall

was

> > > > there.
> > > >> Journalists Adriel Hampton and Warren Hinckle were there
> (Warren
> > > > with
> > > >> his floppy-eared dog). GOP chair Mike DeNunzio was there.
> Someone
> > > > from
> > > >> Mayor Gavin Newsom's office (didn't catch his name) was
there.
> > > > Myrna
> > > >> Lim, a candidate for Supervisor who I endorsed in District
11
> > last
> > > >> year, was there. Other attendees included Scott Hauge of

the

> > Small
> > > >> Business Owners; former Activist Forum speaker Steve

Cornell

of
> > > >> Brownie's Hardware; Geary Merchants association leader

David

> > > > Heller;
> > > >> and last but not least, the MC of the whole thing was the
> > > > notorious
> > > >> political consultant and Willie Brown crony Jack Davis.
> > > >>
> > > >> When I arrived, there were people at the door with
> > > > information and
> > > >> buttons for the San Francisco Taxpayers Union, and the

place

> was
> > > >> adorned with smart-looking banners and window signs. There
was
> > > > free
> > > >> pastries, fruit and coffee. Davis gave a speech which was
> mostly
> > > > just a
> > > >> litany of thanking various people for their help and for
> showing
> > > > up
> > > >> (most of the individuals were in the room). I learned that
they
> > > > already
> > > >> have a website

(http://www.sftaxpayersunion.org/index.html),

a
> > > > steering
> > > >> committee which is composed of representatives of various
> groups,
> > > > and
> > > >> they have come up with a mission statement. When I heard
that
> > this
> > > > had
> > > >> already been done without Libertarians being invited, and
that
> > > > Davis
> > > >> did not acknowledge us or that I was sitting there (in
> fairness
> > he
> > > > may
> > > >> not have known who I am), I was kind of pissed. I

approached

> him
> > > > about
> > > >> it afterward, and he stressed that we were certainly

welcome

to
> > > > have a
> > > >> seat on the steering committee, all we had to do was sign

the

> > > > mission
> > > >> statement. This aroused my suspicions -- how good a pro-
> taxpayer
> > > >> statement could a bunch of Republicans and business

leaders,

> > > > apparently
> > > >> led by one of the city's top political wheeler-dealers,

come