Hello all,
I've uploaded in the "Files" folder, in PDF format ("PE_Califballot"), a
letter from Debra Bowen, the CA Secretary of State, to Carl Person, an
LP presidential candidate hopeful who lives in NYC. Ms. Bowen wrote to
Mr. Person to advise him that he is selected to appear on California's
June 5, 2012 Presidential Primary Election Ballot as a candidate for the
Libertariarn Party's presidential nomination. She also enclosed a list
of "recognized candidates for all qualified political parties in
California."
Among the candidates on that list is Roseanne Barr, who is running as
the Green Party's candidate. I don't think she's related to Bob Barr,
the LP's presidential candidate in 2008, is she? But whatever, on
November 4, 2008, Bob Barr received 523,686 votes, 0.4% of the national
vote. This was the second highest number of votes nationwide that a
Libertarian Party presidential candidate has received. Who wants to bet
that Roseanne will get more votes in 2012 than her namesake did in 2008?
Anyhow, what is this "Presidential Primary Election Ballot"? Are
California residents voting in a Primary on June 5? If so, how could
they vote for the LP candidates on the list if the LP nominates its
candidate a month earlier? If Mr. Person is not that nominee, will his
name still appear on the ballot?
Thank you for your attention and do enjoy the list and your Primary.
Alton
Hi Alton,
Could be Roseanne and Bob are related -- they are equally funny -- although only one intentionally. I agree she will bring attention to the Greens.
The way I understand it (and I would love to be corrected if I am mistaken), the National Libertarian Party does not recognize state primaries. The "official" candidate is nominated by the National Central Committee. So, my guess would be that the candidates on the Secretary of State list can get all the votes in the world, regardless of what the NCC likes or does not like. Conversely, regardless of how many votes the candidates on the SOS list get, the NCC chooses who will appear on the General Election Ballot.
The same case would apply to New York State, right? New York Primary is in April but LP Convention in May. The votes received by any Libertarians on the April ballot would be independent of the candidate chosen by the NCC in May. No?
BTW, talk about strange. I noticed that the NCC decided to remove the names of all the candidates running for president from the LP website. The argument in favor of having the "top" candidates listed was that the press pretty much ignores them, so the LP should give them a little airing. The argument against seems to have been that "all" candidates should be listed or none. I guess the Libertarian penchant for "all or nothing" impracticality won out.
Regards,
Marcy
Hi Marcy,
Thank you for your reply.
<< Could be Roseanne and Bob are related -- they are equally funny --
although only one intentionally. >>
LOL.
<< I agree she will bring attention to the Greens. >>
She claims to be the Green Party candidate. But I wonder, did the Greens
have a nominating convention to officially declare Roseanne their
candidate? And if she is the official Green candidate, I imagine they
would have to get a minimum of signatures to put her on the ballot in
each state, just as the LP candidate must do. Still, have you been to
her web site? She has some interesting things to say, but be ready to
gag at some of the other things she said. You could go to her web site
here and don't miss her videos:
(http://www.roseanneworld.com/blog/home.php
<http://www.roseanneworld.com/blog/home.php> )
<< The way I understand it (and I would love to be corrected if I am
mistaken), the National Libertarian Party does not recognize state
primaries. The "official" candidate is nominated by the National Central
Committee. So, my guess would be that the candidates on the Secretary of
State list can get all the votes in the world, regardless of what the
NCC likes or does not like. Conversely, regardless of how many votes the
candidates on the SOS list get, the NCC chooses who will appear on the
General Election Ballot. >>
You certainly seem to have a well-grounded understanding of LP ins and
outs. I take it that California voters won't vote in a June 5 Primary,
yes? BTW, has anyone ever utter the term "political animal" in your
presence?
Speaking of primary, New York will have a primary in April. But it's
only for recognized Parties. The LPNY is not a recognized party. It
could have became one had its 2010 gubernatorial candidate received at
least 50,000 votes. Incredibly, it was short by about 500 votes. A suit
was filed to demand that absentee votes be counted, but it was thrown
out for procedural deficiencies.
As for the LP website, I saw no presidential candidate name, but I saw
this message:
The candidates running for the Libertarian nomination for president have
been removed per the vote of the Libertarian National Committee.
Yes, for whatever reason it was done, it does seem "strange" that the
Libertarian Party would have no candidate listed. But I imagine that
when the candidate is nominated in May, his name will be listed. BTW,
are you going to Las Vegas in May?
Thanks again for your reply.
Alton
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wrote:
Hi Alton,
Could be Roseanne and Bob are related -- they are equally funny --
although only one intentionally. I agree she will bring attention to the
Greens.
The way I understand it (and I would love to be corrected if I am
mistaken), the National Libertarian Party does not recognize state
primaries. The "official" candidate is nominated by the National
Central Committee. So, my guess would be that the candidates on the
Secretary of State list can get all the votes in the world, regardless
of what the NCC likes or does not like. Conversely, regardless of how
many votes the candidates on the SOS list get, the NCC chooses who will
appear on the General Election Ballot.
The same case would apply to New York State, right? New York Primary
is in April but LP Convention in May. The votes received by any
Libertarians on the April ballot would be independent of the candidate
chosen by the NCC in May. No?
BTW, talk about strange. I noticed that the NCC decided to remove the
names of all the candidates running for president from the LP website.
The argument in favor of having the "top" candidates listed was that the
press pretty much ignores them, so the LP should give them a little
airing. The argument against seems to have been that "all" candidates
should be listed or none. I guess the Libertarian penchant for "all or
nothing" impracticality won out.
Regards,
Marcy
>
> Hello all,
> I've uploaded in the "Files" folder, in PDF format
("PE_Califballot"), a
> letter from Debra Bowen, the CA Secretary of State, to Carl Person,
an
> LP presidential candidate hopeful who lives in NYC. Ms. Bowen wrote
to
> Mr. Person to advise him that he is selected to appear on
California's
> June 5, 2012 Presidential Primary Election Ballot as a candidate for
the
> Libertariarn Party's presidential nomination. She also enclosed a
list
> of "recognized candidates for all qualified political parties in
> California."
> Among the candidates on that list is Roseanne Barr, who is running
as
> the Green Party's candidate. I don't think she's related to Bob
Barr,
> the LP's presidential candidate in 2008, is she? But whatever, on
> November 4, 2008, Bob Barr received 523,686 votes, 0.4% of the
national
> vote. This was the second highest number of votes nationwide that a
> Libertarian Party presidential candidate has received. Who wants to
bet
> that Roseanne will get more votes in 2012 than her namesake did in
2008?
> Anyhow, what is this "Presidential Primary Election Ballot"? Are
> California residents voting in a Primary on June 5? If so, how could
> they vote for the LP candidates on the list if the LP nominates its
> candidate a month earlier? If Mr. Person is not that nominee, will
his
Hi Alton,
Yes, I have seen Roseanne's website. Well we do believe in free speech, don't we :- )
As far as I know, there will be a Presidential Primary on June 5th, and California voters will vote (or at least the miniscule percentage that votes). Libertarians are still a recognized party in California, I would venture to say thanks to folks like Gail Lightfoot, who have made incredible efforts to keep us on the ballot (also, of course, thanks to the guidance of Richard Winger, Christina Tobin, and others who tirelessly work on ballot access).
No, I am not going to Las Vegas for the LP convention in May. I am semi-retired from activism, and would love to see new people with new good ides for the party go to the conventions.
BTW, good luck with the "Help Wanted" idea. Given my general lack of courage, I would probably have voted "no" to such a bold and interesting idea, on the basis that some fool would sue the party for "false advertising" when no contract to hand over $150,000 a year materialized!
Marcy