Dear All;
One thing being missed was the enabling legislation required that the
hydroelecticity generated by the Hetch Hetchy go to San Franciscans
to give them cheap electricity.
Seen your electric bill lately?
BTW: This is the factor the SF Bay Guardian keeps harping on as it is
a fact that PG&E has not brought that cheap electricity to SF as
mandated by the legislation. And it has involved court suits about
this as well with the Board of Supervisors and PG&E in previous
administrations dodging the bullet on cheap electricity for San
Franciscans.
Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
Hostis res Publica
--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry"
<amarcyb@...> wrote:
I like the clean water also. But ending up with dirtier water is
not
the only difficulty with this project that we discussed at the
meeting
last night. The others might be: pollution caused by tearing down
such a huge structure, years of negotiating water distribution from
the river source and/or the other reservoirs, and, from a
libertarian
point of view the certain use of public funds (although the project
leaders say private funds will mostly be used). Another most
interesting point we discussed was that the project states it is
returning the land "to the people;" however, when pressed, our guest
implied that the ideal would be for the land to return to the
Federal
Government for safekeeping (like Yosemite Park, etc).
There are so many issues, such a government land being people's
land,
that go unchallenged. Wish we all had more time to publish stuff.
Marcy
--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, "Philip Berg" <philip@>
wrote:
>
> re Hetch Hetchy.
>
> Public health is one of those areas where the tradegy of the
commons type problems wemerge. I would be open to good libertarian
writing on the topic.
>
> From a public health standpoint hetch hetchy is a godsend. the
water
is clean, has few pathogens , spores, crypto sporidium, and
viruses.Plus it has few organics to screw up the chlorine chemistry,
making for a low of messy combined chlorine compounds. It is so
clean
the SF saves millions in not having to filter.
>
> there is amuch larger reservior downstream but it is considerable
dirtier.
>
> I like the clean water.
> From: Amarcy D. Berry
> To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:12 PM
> Subject: [lpsf-activists] Report of LPSF Meeting 04/12/08
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> Here is what transpired at today's meeting.
>
> Regards,
>
> Marcy
>
> Minutes of the LPSF Meeting - April 12, 2008
> Present: Marcy Berry (presiding), Michael Edelstein, Tim
Kuklinsky
>
> Guests: Tuan A. Nguyen, Peter Schoewe, Bill
>
> Prior to the start of the business meeting, Tuan spoke about the
> "Restore Hetch Hetchy Valley Project." His organization is
lobbying
> for the removal of the O'Shaughnessy Dam, flooded in 1923 to
provide
> water and hydroelectric power to part of the San Francisco Bay
area
> and two central valley irrigation districts. The aim of Restore
Hetch
> Hetchy is to return the valley to its natural state before
> construction of the dam. To contact Tuan e-mail tuan@
>
> Peter Schoewe of East Bay Libertarian Party announced a River
Raft
> Trip starting in Oakdale, May 17 - 18, 2008. To contact Peter
call
> him at (925) 890-2735.
>
> Bill, who preferred not to give out his contact information, is
a
> retired Marine, who read about the Libertarian Party in Playboy
> Magazine (he quoted an interview with LP National Chair William
> Redpath). Bill came to the LPSF meeting to find out for himself
if
> Libertarians really do subscribe to the points of view
mentioned in
> the Playboy article. I believe we parted amicably after a very
> spirited discussion on drugs, same-sex marriage, crime,
parenting
> responsibilities, and the sorry state of San Francisco schools.
>
> Welcome and Introductions
>
> Officer Reports
>
> Officers were attending a Libertarian Party of California event
in
> Sacramento.
> Treasurer's Report: Marcy Berry reported that bank balance
remained
> unchanged from the last LPSF meeting, since the Pizza Fund
covered the
> pizza purchase. Petty cash (undeposited change) was $2.50.
>
> New Business
>
> Given that there were only three members in attendance, there
were no
> volunteers for the following events: Tax Day Protest April 15,
JSA
> Convention April 26, Pride Festival June 28-29, and hosting
Spring
> Social. Marcy announced that Rob Power offered to host the
Spring
> Social if there were no other volunteer hosts; the Agenda
included the
> dates suggested by Rob, and members were encouraged to tell Rob
their
> preferred date. Given Tuan's Hetch Hetchy presentation, the
subjects
> that did materialize for the Agenda, and the absence of current
lists,
> Marcy decided not to engage those present in the original plan
of
> writing letters to prospects.
>
> An interesting discussion ensued on LPSF participation in local
fairs
> (excepting the Pride Festival). Marcy noted that most fairs
expect
> booths belonging to either non-profit organizations or to
vendors; and
> if fairs do not accept booth applications from political
parties, then
> what course of action should the LPSF take. Marcy suggested
creating
> an informal group, separate from the LPSF, to distribute
libertarian
> literature. Tim Kuklinsky suggested that such group should not
appear
> to be a front for the LPSF; he suggested that LPSF find a non-
profit
> libertarian-philosophy group to work with at fairs (eg ISIL).
Michael
> Edelstein suggested the LPSF use the name of Lawrence Samuel's
group,
> Libertarians for Peace. Marcy suggested bringing up this
subject and