One thing being missed was the enabling legislation required that the
hydroelecticity generated by the Hetch Hetchy go to San Franciscans
to give them cheap electricity.
Seen your electric bill lately?
BTW: This is the factor the SF Bay Guardian keeps harping on as it is
a fact that PG&E has not brought that cheap electricity to SF as
mandated by the legislation. And it has involved court suits about
this as well with the Board of Supervisors and PG&E in previous
administrations dodging the bullet on cheap electricity for San
Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
Hostis res Publica
--- In email@example.com, "Amarcy D. Berry"
I like the clean water also. But ending up with dirtier water is
the only difficulty with this project that we discussed at the
last night. The others might be: pollution caused by tearing down
such a huge structure, years of negotiating water distribution from
the river source and/or the other reservoirs, and, from a
point of view the certain use of public funds (although the project
leaders say private funds will mostly be used). Another most
interesting point we discussed was that the project states it is
returning the land "to the people;" however, when pressed, our guest
implied that the ideal would be for the land to return to the
Government for safekeeping (like Yosemite Park, etc).
There are so many issues, such a government land being people's
that go unchallenged. Wish we all had more time to publish stuff.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Philip Berg" <philip@>
> re Hetch Hetchy.
> Public health is one of those areas where the tradegy of the
commons type problems wemerge. I would be open to good libertarian
writing on the topic.
> From a public health standpoint hetch hetchy is a godsend. the
is clean, has few pathogens , spores, crypto sporidium, and
viruses.Plus it has few organics to screw up the chlorine chemistry,
making for a low of messy combined chlorine compounds. It is so
the SF saves millions in not having to filter.
> there is amuch larger reservior downstream but it is considerable
> I like the clean water.
> From: Amarcy D. Berry
> To: email@example.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:12 PM
> Subject: [lpsf-activists] Report of LPSF Meeting 04/12/08
> Dear All,
> Here is what transpired at today's meeting.
> Minutes of the LPSF Meeting - April 12, 2008
> Present: Marcy Berry (presiding), Michael Edelstein, Tim
> Guests: Tuan A. Nguyen, Peter Schoewe, Bill
> Prior to the start of the business meeting, Tuan spoke about the
> "Restore Hetch Hetchy Valley Project." His organization is
> for the removal of the O'Shaughnessy Dam, flooded in 1923 to
> water and hydroelectric power to part of the San Francisco Bay
> and two central valley irrigation districts. The aim of Restore
> Hetchy is to return the valley to its natural state before
> construction of the dam. To contact Tuan e-mail tuan@
> Peter Schoewe of East Bay Libertarian Party announced a River
> Trip starting in Oakdale, May 17 - 18, 2008. To contact Peter
> him at (925) 890-2735.
> Bill, who preferred not to give out his contact information, is
> retired Marine, who read about the Libertarian Party in Playboy
> Magazine (he quoted an interview with LP National Chair William
> Redpath). Bill came to the LPSF meeting to find out for himself
> Libertarians really do subscribe to the points of view
> the Playboy article. I believe we parted amicably after a very
> spirited discussion on drugs, same-sex marriage, crime,
> responsibilities, and the sorry state of San Francisco schools.
> Welcome and Introductions
> Officer Reports
> Officers were attending a Libertarian Party of California event
> Treasurer's Report: Marcy Berry reported that bank balance
> unchanged from the last LPSF meeting, since the Pizza Fund
> pizza purchase. Petty cash (undeposited change) was $2.50.
> New Business
> Given that there were only three members in attendance, there
> volunteers for the following events: Tax Day Protest April 15,
> Convention April 26, Pride Festival June 28-29, and hosting
> Social. Marcy announced that Rob Power offered to host the
> Social if there were no other volunteer hosts; the Agenda
> dates suggested by Rob, and members were encouraged to tell Rob
> preferred date. Given Tuan's Hetch Hetchy presentation, the
> that did materialize for the Agenda, and the absence of current
> Marcy decided not to engage those present in the original plan
> writing letters to prospects.
> An interesting discussion ensued on LPSF participation in local
> (excepting the Pride Festival). Marcy noted that most fairs
> booths belonging to either non-profit organizations or to
> if fairs do not accept booth applications from political
> what course of action should the LPSF take. Marcy suggested
> an informal group, separate from the LPSF, to distribute
> literature. Tim Kuklinsky suggested that such group should not
> to be a front for the LPSF; he suggested that LPSF find a non-
> libertarian-philosophy group to work with at fairs (eg ISIL).
> Edelstein suggested the LPSF use the name of Lawrence Samuel's
> Libertarians for Peace. Marcy suggested bringing up this