Dear Derek;
What? You don't want to overthrow the current regime and replace it
with something Libertarian wise???
How else do you propose to get rid of the bloated bureacracy and the
bloated tax structure and all those Socialistic social security -
medicare - welfare - housing programs and the taxes sucked out of
everyones wallets it takes to support them???
You can't make an omelot without breaking some eggs.
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:
Ron:
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
>
> Dear Mike and derek;
>
> Then I say it is definitely time for a new Revolution! Viva La
> Revoluciones!!! For the poor sapped taxed out middle class
workers who got
> guns!!! And everyone else who wants to join on in!!!
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> *Mike Denny <mike@...>* wrote:
>
> You are right on nearly all accounts. A huge part of the wealth
transfer
> goes to politically powerful "administrators" to these programs
who skim off
> a thick layer of money off the top. Much is fed to union
workers. Corporate
> welfare and the like are also huge. So the game is that everyone
pays
> somewhat equally but the rich and powerful get the money back in
the form of
> subsidies, government grants and contracts. Saps without power
like us only
> get to pay
without the getting all the kickbacks that comes with
being rich
> and powerful.
>
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
discuss@yahoogroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Derek Jensen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:50 PM
> *To:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [lpsf-discuss] A Great Article On "Lawless"
Somalia
>
> Mike:
>
> I agree with you that the government tends to protect itself
first.
> Certainly next on the list is the protection of moneyed
corporate interests
> through forced monopolies, tarrifs, "licensing" schemes,
corporate welfare,
> and so on and so on. It's the small-business owning and salaried
> upper-middle class employee schmucks that in my opinion get
shafted the
> most.
>
> Otherwise, how do you explain the large wealth transfer that is
social
> security, medicare, medicaid, and welfare payments in general?
To me, these
> are obviously a way for the politicians to buy the votes of the
poor.
>
> I think the "progressive" income tax structure is certainly
evidence that
> the government is stealing from the "rich" to buy the votes of
the poor.
> The top 10% of taxpayers are paying 70% of all tax receipts in
this
> country. If that's the coffee I'm supposed to be smelling, then
I want some
> other flavor.
>
> -Derek
>
>
>
>
> Charity or they can buy the best defense they can afford
whatever it is.
> I can't even do that here.
>
> The idea that government protects the poor is common but
certainly a
> misconception. The government always protects itself first. Then
it protects
> the rich and powerful. Anyone who thinks the poor are going to
beat the rich
> and powerful in government need to wake up and smell the coffee.
>
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
discuss@yahoogroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Derek Jensen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:27 PM
>
> *To:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [lpsf-discuss] A Great Article On "Lawless"
Somalia
>
> Mike:
>
> Most of the people reading this are established, able-bodied
gun-owning
> men, with high incomes. We'd probably do just fine in an
anarchist setting.
>
>
> What about the poor and weak? What are they to rely upon for
their
> defense? Charity?
>
> -Derek
>
>
>
> Yes Sarosh
it may not be pleasant but their GDP and services
indicate
> it's working better than the "nominal fairness" of surrounding
governments.
> So it's all relative. Personlly, I find the "nominal fairness"
of our
> government oppressive to an extreme level. Our violence is
wrapped in the
> cloth of "justice" and "democracy" but it is certainly violent
too. Just ask
> someone who is thinking about defending his property from tax
collectors
> with guns. Our way is also WAY WAY more expensive. Picking
peoples' pockets
> without them knowing it is violence too
but harder for the
victim to
> identify the source of the theft.
>
> Mike
>
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> *From:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
discuss@yahoogroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *saroshk@...
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:06 PM
> *To:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [lpsf-discuss] A Great Article On "Lawless"
Somalia
>
> In a message dated 2/21/2006 12:52:52 P.M. Pacific Standard
Time,
> tradergroupe@... writes:
>
> Dear Everyone;
>
> This Mises article on "lawless" Somalia is very insightful as it
> describes a country surviving without a central government and
doing quite
> nicely. Thank You.
>
> Anarchy does mean a country can survive if it has an underlying
means for
> ajudicating disputes without formal court procedures. In this
case Somali's
> Tribal Affiliations.
>
> Even the CIA acknowledges how well off Somalia in its CIA
factbook<http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/so.html#Ec
:
>
> "Despite the seeming anarchy, Somalia's service sector has
managed to
> survive and grow. Telecommunication firms provide wireless
services in most
> major cities and offer the lowest international call rates on
the continent.
> In the absence of a formal banking sector, money exchange
services have
> sprouted throughout the country, handling between $500 million
and $1
> billion in remittances annually. Mogadishu's main market offers
a variety of
> goods from food to the newest electronic gadgets. Hotels
continue to
> operate, and militias provide security."
>
> http://www.mises.org/story/2066
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> while any people, country or region can survive under anarchy,
it is not
> necessarily a pleasant or desirable way to live.
>
> in somalia, warlords (ie private militias) control local
regions, but the
> struggle for power exploits ordinary citizens who often have to
pay multiple
> warlords (ie government, enforcers) for "protection", so they
can survive.
>
> governments arose in reaction to anarchy -- you only have to
pay one
> "warlord" (ie government) for protection, and there is a formula
(tax
> system) in place so there is nominal fairness in paying for
protection
> services.
>
> Sarosh D. Kumana
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