RE: [lpsf-activists] Re: FW: What can a libertarian from NYC do in SF?

Since Starchild has volunteered to join you for lunch with Alton I am going to bow out. I was going to make the effort so you wouldn’t have to do it alone.

Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: FW: What can a libertarian from NYC do in
From: “lpsfactivists” <>
Date: Fri, November 04, 2011 10:45 am

Hi Francoise, Starchild, and All,

Alton said he would love to meet us for lunch. He is leaving on Wednesday. His schedule is fluid. I am free any time EXCEPT Monday. I am hoping to give Alton a firm date and time by tomorrow. It would be great if I had your company also. Please let me know your preference.



I’m not upset. In fact I’d be happy to meet Alton and compare ideas
and perspectives. Lunch sounds like a great idea (I’ve copied him on
this message). If our folks aren’t bored with it, and if our guest can
stomach the mid-Market area which is on the edge of the Tenderloin,
I’d suggest Ananda Fuara, since it is a great restaurant and that way
Alton can see where we have our post-meeting dinners, and we can point
out the nearby library where the actual meetings are. City Hall, also
nearby, is imho a must-see for out-of-town visitors if he hasn’t
already been; one of the most gorgeous buildings in San Francisco
(despite the immoral purposes for which it is used). The federal court
building at 7th & Mission is also a short walk away and worth checking
out if you’re into beautiful old architecture.


I rather doubt that you are serious about the charter buses and meals
for the homeless and all. But if you are really willing to pay for all
that, I will totally help you recruit homeless people to drive over to
Oakland. Lots of people on the street could use a free hot meal and a
chance to sleep on a bus, out of the elements, while we’re getting
enough folks together to make the trip. I’d recommend just a single
bus to start with though; you can always get more ambitious about it
if you think the first run goes well. While you drive the bus, I could
use the on-board PA system to talk to our passengers about
libertarianism, and about helping the Occupy Oakland protesters stand
up for freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and so on. It might not
be a “final solution”, but it would be providing a charitable public

I do have some ideas about solutions to the homelessness problem;
perhaps we can discuss them in person. One precept that informs my
perspective is what I see as a key distinction between libertarians
and conservatives.

The conservative attitude toward people who are poor, homeless,
unemployed, etc., tends to focus on blaming the individual – “You’re
lazy! Why don’t you clean yourself up and get a job?”, etc.

I would say that the libertarian attitude, by contrast, is informed
by a greater awareness that these things are, in the aggregate,
consequences of public policy, and that government, which tends to
benefit the wealthy and powerful at the expense of the poor and
marginalized (despite paying lip service to the goal of helping the
latter and justifying its spending and programs on this basis!), is
the main cause of homelessness, poverty, and unemployment.

Government has grown dramatically during the past few decades in the
United States, and during the same period the gap between rich and
poor has also grown. I don’t think that’s a coincidence, do you?

If you have issues seeing people living on the streets though, I
highly suggest next time you visit SF that you stay in a different
part of town! When you referred to your hotel being in the Tenderloin
– the neighborhood best known for having large concentrations of
homeless people – I had to chuckle.

Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))

P.S. - By the way Alton, our monthly meetings are held from 3-5 p.m.
on the second Saturday each month – it sounds like you may have been
misinformed about that. So our last meeting was on October 8, and our
next one is November 12.

Dear All,

As I indicated on an earlier e-mail, Alton Yee is in the New York LP
Ex-Com, and in San Francisco for the next few days. I have
mentioned lunch, and would appreciate it if I did not have to go by
myself if Alton accepts the invitation.

BTW, Starchild especially, please do not get upset about Alton’s
description of the homeless. Alton is refreshingly blunt.


From: amarcyb@…
To: ay838@…
Subject: RE: What can a libertarian from NYC do in SF?
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 10:08:33 -0700

Hi Alton,

Sorry our fair City greeted you with our share of homeless folks!
Yes, I have been in the Tenderloin at all hours; however admittedly
not on foot. My daughter attended U.C. Hastings, and I often gave
her a ride to and from the school. I wish I could tell you LPSF is
doing a great job offering solutions to this situation, but I
can’t. I am not sure your solution would help, if we are to
believe in the effectiveness of supply and demand, in this case for
city services for the homeless.

Check our website for our recommendations for Mayor and for
ballot proposals. Candidates running for City offices are not
allowed to express their party affiliation, since these are
considered “non-partisan” offices. Regarding the candidate posters
all looking the same, there probably is a City rule about what they
need to look like in order to keep the City “beautiful”. BTW, no,
we are by no means supporting your “cousin” for Mayor!

If you have a little time for lunch while you are in San Francisco,
please let me know. We would be so pleased to meet you.



From: ay838@…
To: amarcyb@…
Subject: RE: What can a libertarian from NYC do in SF?
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 08:58:02 -0400

Hi Marcy,

I’m at the halfway point of my trip to SF. Wonderful city, terrific

I haven’t been to Fisherman’s Wharf or Pier 39, yet. But I did do
Nob Hill on the cable car. And I hope to “stroll through Golden Gate
Park’s Arboretum and [visit] other attractions at the Park.”

I was dismayed to see so many homeless bums, let’s not mince words,
all over SF, especially near my hotel in the Tenderloin. Of course
NYC has its “share” of homeless bums, but they’re not as
concentrated as they are in SF. But the homeless here aren’t
aggressive, though they can be scary. (Ever walk around the
Tenderloin at 5 AM PST?) Have you or anyone in the SF LP proposed
solutions to this infestation? I thought of chartering a couple of
buses, entice as many homeless with free meals and warm nests, and
busing them to the site of the Occupy Oakland and then stranding
them there. What do you think about my “final solution” for SF’s

It seems you’re electing a new mayor next Tuesday. I saw my
“cousin,” Leland Yee, is running. Has the LP endorsed a candidate or
published its stance on the various issues on the ballot? I’m
curious, Marcy, why are all the campaign posters basically alike in
looks, format and size? And why aren’t the candidates’ party
affiliation shown on the posters?

That’s all for now.

Talk to you.

Alton Yee

From: amarcyb@…
To: ay838@…;
Subject: What can a libertarian from NYC do in SF?
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 21:23:14 -0700

Hello Alton,

Thank you for your e-mail! You ask what you should do while in San
Francisco October 26 - November 10. If I were you, I would pick a
few evenings to eat at our famous restaurants; visit our tourist
stops which happen to be interesting (Fisherman’s Wharf, Pier 39,
Nob Hill on the cable car), stroll through Golden Gate Park’s
Arboretum and other attractions at the Park. But I am not you, and
therefore, to allow you a wider perspective on what you should do in
San Francisco, I am forwarding your e-mail to our Activist List list.

Our group is eclectic, so I am hoping for lots and varied suggestions.

Have a great time in San Francisco!



Subject: Libertarian Party of San Francisco California: What can a
libertarian from NYC do in SF?
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 21:16:55 -0500

This is an enquiry e-mail via from:
Alton Yee <ay838@…>

Hello Marcy,

I am the Manhattan (NYC)LP’s current Director of Fund Raising (
). FYI, we have our meetings on the second Monday each month. We
will have our Oct meeting tomorrow. How did your meeting go this
past Saturday? Do you have featured speakers? How many people
usually attend?

Anyhow, I plan to be in SF from Oct 26 to Nov 10. I regret I won’t
attend your Nov meeting. But while I’m in SF, what do you suggest I
do? Are there forums or other meetings to attend? They don’t have to
be “libertarian-centric.” I sometimes attend events and forums that
bends left. Sometimes it’s good to expand your horizons, see what
the others are doing. Agree?

So, that’s all for now.

Talk to you soon.


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And I completely appreciate it, Francoise.