RE: [CfER] Help Save RCV in San Francisco: Volunteer to Leaflet

Hi David,

I can help on Saturday, July 7. When possible for you, please let me know where, and how to obtain the leaflets (or do we design our own leaflets?)

I have posted the announcement to the Libertarian Party of San Francisco Activist List, in hopes that no only there will be lots of volunteers, but at least one volunteer that will leaflet with me, since I am no inclined to do so by myself.

Marcy Berry
Libertarian Party of San Francisco

Anyone interested in doing some tabling with me to save Ranked Choice Voting that the City politicians don't like?

Marcy

yes, I am interested.

Richard Winger

415-922-9779

PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147

Great, Richard. I will post whatever information I receive from David Cary tomorrow.

Marcy

Hi David,

As of right now, the only other activist besides myself that volunteered for tomorrow's leafleting is Richard Winger.

Marcy

I'm potentially interested -- if anyone is driving over there and could pick me up (by Market @Noe in the Castro) on the way, could you call me tomorrow morning when you're leaving and see if I'm up and interested in going?

Love & Liberty,
                                ((( starchild )))

I was planning to get there by bicycle, but I hope someone else will give you a lift.

Richard Winger

415-922-9779

PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147

Marcy:

One reason I have not volunteered is because it isnt real clear to me just why
Libertarians should care that much about ranked choice voting. This may be due
to my ignorance and lack of deliberation on the subject.

Politicians are just people who are:
(1) spending other peoples' money
(2) looting and pillaging their opponent's property to reward their followers
(3) imposing unwanted and unchosen burdens on some citizens for the benefit of
others.

It is not clear to me why RCV is better or worse than any other form of
democratically choosing "leaders"..

Les

Want to respond to this?

Love & Liberty,
                                   ((( starchild )))

In a winner-take-all single election, voters are very reluctant to
vote for an outsider candidate. After all, if I don’t vote for Obama,
then Romney might win... (or vice versa). The “back-up choice” of
ranked choice voting helps to defuse this fallacy, giving “outsider”
perspectives like Libertarian ones a fighting chance. (Barely, but
still.)

It’s also important just for the idea that there are different models
of government that can work. Perhaps RCV isn’t perfect, but at least
San Francisco had the courage to try something different, and one can
argue that it hasn’t made things any worse. If it’s not working, try
something different still (approval voting, perhaps), rather than
reverting to winner-take-all as some of the supervisors seem to want.

~Chris (late of San Francisco)
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Leslie,

Your analysis makes sense to me.

Perhaps the more complicated we make the voting, the more people will get
turned off to the political process. Since politics can be reduced to the
elements you cite, this would be a good thing.

Warm regards, Michael

I support RCV because if we had it in all elections in this country, that would eliminate the #1 reason major party legislators in certain states (Oklahoma, North Carolina, Georgia, especially) say they refuse to lower the ballot access barriers. Just a few days ago the North Carolina Senate again defeated ballot access reform bill in that state. The leader of the Democrats in the Senate said when minor parties and independents get on the ballot, that "takes votes away" from one of the major parties and distorts the outcome.

Ranked Choice Voting completely answers these people.

Richard Winger

415-922-9779

PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147

Starchild, I couldn't send this directly to the group as I'm not a
subscriber. Please forward. /June

Hi Les,

Totally agree with everything you say! However, to me personally, better to try to ameliorate a bad situation than ignore it. If nothing else, RCV makes a small dent on the "spending other peoples' money" and on the "looting and pillaging" by doing away with costly run-offs. Regarding the unwanted burden on some for the benefit of others, that's a though one; but in a republic, that's how things work. Maybe the best we can do is to work to ensure that those that want things that are very different than what we want are not the only ones being heard. Thusly, my leafleting this morning!

Marcy