Proposals to modify current LPC platform language and make it more California-specific

Some members of the 2021-2022 Libertarian Party of California Platform Committee, on which I serve as an alternate (Richard Fast is our representative for San Francisco county), have repeatedly asserted that the language in our current state platform is not specific to California, and that it is encompassed in the national platform.

While the truth of these allegations as they apply to some of the specific planks that a majority of the committee have voted to recommend be deleted (and at least so far in the committee’s report, replaced with nothing), is debatable, as a general matter I agree that our state platform should be more California specific, and not simply echo the national platform which mostly just expresses broad, general principles without addressing the details of government aggressions and failures in this state, and Libertarian solutions for them.

Therefore, taking the non-specificity and non-uniqueness complaints in good faith, and wanting to see a more constructive alternative to the slash-and-burn approach of just deleting everything wholesale, I’m putting forward a number of proposals to make our current LPC platform language more specific to California (along with a couple that would simply make the current language shorter, and in my view improved). Certainly the Libertarian Party having something to say about these topics at the state level is more specific to California, and adds more value, than the party having nothing to say to Californians about state and local issues in our state.

I encourage others, both Platform Committee members and other Libertarians, to likewise take a look at the current planks in our state platform (Platform - Libertarian Party of California) and propose recommendations for how they too can be made more California-specific, address issues not covered in the national Libertarian Party platform (Platform | Libertarian Party) or otherwise improved.

Everyone is encouraged to log in or call in to our Platform Committee meetings and make their views known, as well as to subscribe to the Platform Committee email list (Platform@ca.lp.org), where you can get the information on upcoming PlatCom meetings (including tomorrow evening’s, Tuesday December 21!) when it is posted.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))
LPC Platform Committee alternate (2021-2022)
(415) 573-7997

···

(1) Proposal to add the following sentence to section IV "Individual Rights and Civil Order", Section 30 "Legislature", at the beginning of the plank:

We demand real, multi-party democracy in California to replace the un-representative system in which all legislative seats are currently held by Republicans or Democrats despite the fact that nearly one in three state voters are affiliated with neither of the two establishment parties, and call for elections to the state legislature to be based on a system of proportional representation in which parties receive a number of seats proportionate to their share of the vote.


(2) Proposal to replace section IV "Individual Rights and Civil Order", Section 31 "Secession", with the following language:

Libertarians champion the right to self-determination including political secession down to the level of the individual, and as members of the Libertarian Party of California we specifically call for the division of this state into multiple jurisdictions, to include the new state of Jefferson in northern California and southern Oregon. California is currently the third largest and most populous state, with around 40 million people, and many residents, particularly in far-flung rural areas, feel unrepresented by the government in Sacramento and deserve the opportunity to choose their own political futures.


(3) Proposal to delete the first sentence in section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation", and replace it as follows:

Taxation is government's confiscation of property of its citizens.

Taxation is theft and a form of slavery.


(4) Proposal to delete the word "non-voluntary" in the second sentence of section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation", and replace it with "involuntary", to read as follows:

Because of its non-voluntary involuntary nature, it cannot be justified, regardless of the purpose for which the proceeds are to be used. 


(5) Proposal to replace the language in bullet point A of section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation" as follows:

A. The repeal of all income taxes.
A. The repeal of the California state income tax.


(6) Proposal to add a new bullet point (H) to the list in section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation":

H. An end to the practice of administratively imposing punitive fees or fines that are clearly disproportionate to any harm caused by the individual or group being fined, as a means of increasing government revenue without such de facto tax increases being voted on by the people – especially when such fees or fines are regressive and fall most heavily on the poor.

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Hi everyone,

Thank you, Starchild, for your e-mail and proposals. I support all of them
and would advocate/vote for them.

For folks that want to join the meeting tomorrow, below is the call in
information. I believe it will be the same for every meeting. We seem to
usually meet Sundays at 7:30pm but it looks like we’ll be having additional
weekday meetings, too, now.

Topic: Platform Committee Meeting
Time: Dec 19, 2021 07:30 PM Pacific Time (US and Canada)

Join Zoom Meeting

Meeting ID: 834 5824 4384
Passcode: 503411
One tap mobile
+16468769923,83458244384# US (New York)
+13017158592,83458244384# US (Washington DC)

Dial by your location
+1 646 876 9923 US (New York)
+1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC)
+1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)
+1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma)
+1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)
+1 408 638 0968 US (San Jose)
+1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)
Meeting ID: 834 5824 4384
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As always, if you are an LPC member and have a platform proposal you’d like
to submit to the committee, please send it to me and I will submit it as an
agenda item.

Yours in Liberty,

Richard Fast
Platform rep.
LP San Francisco

···

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 1:53 AM Starchild sfdreamer@earthlink.net wrote:

Some members of the 2021-2022 Libertarian Party of California Platform
Committee, on which I serve as an alternate (Richard Fast is our
representative for San Francisco county), have repeatedly asserted that the
language in our current state platform is not specific to California, and
that it is encompassed in the national platform.

While the truth of these allegations as they apply to some of the specific
planks that a majority of the committee have voted to recommend be deleted
(and at least so far in the committee’s report, replaced with nothing),
is debatable, as a general matter I agree that our state platform should
be more California specific, and not simply echo the national platform
which mostly just expresses broad, general principles without addressing
the details of government aggressions and failures in this state, and
Libertarian solutions for them.

Therefore, taking the non-specificity and non-uniqueness complaints in
good faith, and wanting to see a more constructive alternative to the
slash-and-burn approach of just deleting everything wholesale, I’m putting
forward a number of proposals to make our current LPC platform language
more specific to California (along with a couple that would simply make the
current language shorter, and in my view improved). Certainly the
Libertarian Party having something to say about these topics at the
state level is more specific to California, and adds more value, than the
party having nothing to say to Californians about state and local
issues in our state.

I encourage others, both Platform Committee members and other
Libertarians, to likewise take a look at the current planks in our state
platform (Platform - Libertarian Party of California) and propose recommendations for how they
too can be made more California-specific, address issues not covered in the
national Libertarian Party platform (Platform | Libertarian Party) or otherwise
improved.

Everyone is encouraged to log in or call in to our Platform Committee
meetings and make their views known, as well as to subscribe to the
Platform Committee email list (Platform@ca.lp.org), where you can get the
information on upcoming PlatCom meetings (including tomorrow evening’s,
Tuesday December 21!) when it is posted.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))
LPC Platform Committee alternate (2021-2022)
(415) 573-7997


(1) Proposal to add the following sentence to section IV "Individual
Rights and Civil Order", Section 30 "Legislature", at the beginning of the
plank:

*We demand real, multi-party democracy in California to replace the
un-representative system in which all legislative seats are currently held
by Republicans or Democrats despite the fact that nearly one in three state
voters are affiliated with neither of the two establishment parties**,
and call for elections to the state legislature to be based on a system of
proportional representation in which parties receive a number of seats
proportionate to their share of the vote**.*


(2) Proposal to replace section IV "Individual Rights and Civil Order",
Section 31 "Secession", with the following language:

*Libertarians champion the right to self-determination including political
secession down to the level of the individual, and as members of the
Libertarian Party of California we specifically call for the division of
this state into multiple jurisdictions, to include the new state of
Jefferson in northern California and southern Oregon. California is
currently the third largest and most populous state, with around 40 million
people, and many residents, particularly in far-flung rural areas, feel
unrepresented by the government in Sacramento and deserve the opportunity
to choose their own political futures.*


(3) Proposal to delete the first sentence in section V "Individual Rights
and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation", and replace it as follows:

Taxation is government's confiscation of property of its citizens.

*Taxation is theft and a form of slavery.*


(4) Proposal to delete the word "non-voluntary" in the second sentence of
section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation", and
replace it with "involuntary", to read as follows:

*Because of its* non-voluntary *involuntary nature, it cannot be
justified, regardless of the purpose for which the proceeds are to be
used. *


(5) Proposal to replace the language in bullet point A of section V
"Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation" as follows:

A. The repeal of all income taxes.
*A. The repeal of the California state income tax.*


(6) Proposal to add a new bullet point (H) to the list in section V
"Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation":

*H. An end to the practice of administratively imposing punitive fees or
fines that are clearly disproportionate to any harm caused by the
individual or group being fined, as a means of increasing government
revenue without such de facto tax increases being voted on by the people –
especially when such fees or fines are regressive and fall most heavily on
the poor.*

Just an FYI that’s not the correct call-in information

···

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 4:24 AM Richard Fast fastrichard77@gmail.com wrote:

Hi everyone,

Thank you, Starchild, for your e-mail and proposals. I support all of them
and would advocate/vote for them.

For folks that want to join the meeting tomorrow, below is the call in
information. I believe it will be the same for every meeting. We seem to
usually meet Sundays at 7:30pm but it looks like we’ll be having additional
weekday meetings, too, now.

Topic: Platform Committee Meeting
Time: Dec 19, 2021 07:30 PM Pacific Time (US and Canada)

Join Zoom Meeting
Launch Meeting - Zoom

Meeting ID: 834 5824 4384
Passcode: 503411
One tap mobile
+16468769923,83458244384# US (New York)
+13017158592,83458244384# US (Washington DC)

Dial by your location
+1 646 876 9923 US (New York)
+1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC)
+1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)
+1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma)
+1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)
+1 408 638 0968 US (San Jose)
+1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)
Meeting ID: 834 5824 4384
Find your local number: Zoom International Dial-in Numbers - Zoom

As always, if you are an LPC member and have a platform proposal you’d
like to submit to the committee, please send it to me and I will submit it
as an agenda item.

Yours in Liberty,

Richard Fast
Platform rep.
LP San Francisco

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 1:53 AM Starchild sfdreamer@earthlink.net wrote:

Some members of the 2021-2022 Libertarian Party of California Platform
Committee, on which I serve as an alternate (Richard Fast is our
representative for San Francisco county), have repeatedly asserted that the
language in our current state platform is not specific to California, and
that it is encompassed in the national platform.

While the truth of these allegations as they apply to some of the
specific planks that a majority of the committee have voted to recommend be
deleted (and at least so far in the committee’s report, replaced with
nothing), is debatable, as a general matter I agree that our state
platform should be more California specific, and not simply echo the
national platform which mostly just expresses broad, general principles
without addressing the details of government aggressions and failures in
this state, and Libertarian solutions for them.

Therefore, taking the non-specificity and non-uniqueness complaints in
good faith, and wanting to see a more constructive alternative to the
slash-and-burn approach of just deleting everything wholesale, I’m putting
forward a number of proposals to make our current LPC platform language
more specific to California (along with a couple that would simply make the
current language shorter, and in my view improved). Certainly the
Libertarian Party having something to say about these topics at the
state level is more specific to California, and adds more value, than the
party having nothing to say to Californians about state and local
issues in our state.

I encourage others, both Platform Committee members and other
Libertarians, to likewise take a look at the current planks in our state
platform (Platform - Libertarian Party of California) and propose recommendations for how they
too can be made more California-specific, address issues not covered in the
national Libertarian Party platform (Platform | Libertarian Party) or otherwise
improved.

Everyone is encouraged to log in or call in to our Platform Committee
meetings and make their views known, as well as to subscribe to the
Platform Committee email list (Platform@ca.lp.org), where you can get
the information on upcoming PlatCom meetings (including tomorrow evening’s,
Tuesday December 21!) when it is posted.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))
LPC Platform Committee alternate (2021-2022)
(415) 573-7997


(1) Proposal to add the following sentence to section IV "Individual
Rights and Civil Order", Section 30 "Legislature", at the beginning of the
plank:

*We demand real, multi-party democracy in California to replace the
un-representative system in which all legislative seats are currently held
by Republicans or Democrats despite the fact that nearly one in three state
voters are affiliated with neither of the two establishment parties**,
and call for elections to the state legislature to be based on a system of
proportional representation in which parties receive a number of seats
proportionate to their share of the vote**.*


(2) Proposal to replace section IV "Individual Rights and Civil Order",
Section 31 "Secession", with the following language:

*Libertarians champion the right to self-determination including
political secession down to the level of the individual, and as members of
the Libertarian Party of California we specifically call for the division
of this state into multiple jurisdictions, to include the new state of
Jefferson in northern California and southern Oregon. California is
currently the third largest and most populous state, with around 40 million
people, and many residents, particularly in far-flung rural areas, feel
unrepresented by the government in Sacramento and deserve the opportunity
to choose their own political futures.*


(3) Proposal to delete the first sentence in section V "Individual Rights
and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation", and replace it as follows:

Taxation is government's confiscation of property of its citizens.

*Taxation is theft and a form of slavery.*


(4) Proposal to delete the word "non-voluntary" in the second sentence of
section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation", and
replace it with "involuntary", to read as follows:

*Because of its* non-voluntary *involuntary nature, it cannot be
justified, regardless of the purpose for which the proceeds are to be
used. *


(5) Proposal to replace the language in bullet point A of section V
"Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation" as follows:

A. The repeal of all income taxes.
*A. The repeal of the California state income tax.*


(6) Proposal to add a new bullet point (H) to the list in section V
"Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation":

*H. An end to the practice of administratively imposing punitive fees or
fines that are clearly disproportionate to any harm caused by the
individual or group being fined, as a means of increasing government
revenue without such de facto tax increases being voted on by the people –
especially when such fees or fines are regressive and fall most heavily on
the poor.*

Thank you, Ms. Nyx. Could you please provide the correct information?

···

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:04 AM Rachel Nyx mp.johnson1995@gmail.com wrote:

Just an FYI that’s not the correct call-in information

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 4:24 AM Richard Fast fastrichard77@gmail.com > wrote:

Hi everyone,

Thank you, Starchild, for your e-mail and proposals. I support all of
them and would advocate/vote for them.

For folks that want to join the meeting tomorrow, below is the call in
information. I believe it will be the same for every meeting. We seem to
usually meet Sundays at 7:30pm but it looks like we’ll be having additional
weekday meetings, too, now.

Topic: Platform Committee Meeting
Time: Dec 19, 2021 07:30 PM Pacific Time (US and Canada)

Join Zoom Meeting
Launch Meeting - Zoom

Meeting ID: 834 5824 4384
Passcode: 503411
One tap mobile
+16468769923,83458244384# US (New York)
+13017158592,83458244384# US (Washington DC)

Dial by your location
+1 646 876 9923 US (New York)
+1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC)
+1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)
+1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma)
+1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)
+1 408 638 0968 US (San Jose)
+1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)
Meeting ID: 834 5824 4384
Find your local number: Zoom International Dial-in Numbers - Zoom

As always, if you are an LPC member and have a platform proposal you’d
like to submit to the committee, please send it to me and I will submit it
as an agenda item.

Yours in Liberty,

Richard Fast
Platform rep.
LP San Francisco

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 1:53 AM Starchild sfdreamer@earthlink.net >> wrote:

Some members of the 2021-2022 Libertarian Party of California Platform
Committee, on which I serve as an alternate (Richard Fast is our
representative for San Francisco county), have repeatedly asserted that the
language in our current state platform is not specific to California, and
that it is encompassed in the national platform.

While the truth of these allegations as they apply to some of the
specific planks that a majority of the committee have voted to recommend be
deleted (and at least so far in the committee’s report, replaced with
nothing), is debatable, as a general matter I agree that our state
platform should be more California specific, and not simply echo the
national platform which mostly just expresses broad, general principles
without addressing the details of government aggressions and failures in
this state, and Libertarian solutions for them.

Therefore, taking the non-specificity and non-uniqueness complaints in
good faith, and wanting to see a more constructive alternative to the
slash-and-burn approach of just deleting everything wholesale, I’m putting
forward a number of proposals to make our current LPC platform language
more specific to California (along with a couple that would simply make the
current language shorter, and in my view improved). Certainly the
Libertarian Party having something to say about these topics at the
state level is more specific to California, and adds more value, than the
party having nothing to say to Californians about state and local
issues in our state.

I encourage others, both Platform Committee members and other
Libertarians, to likewise take a look at the current planks in our state
platform (Platform - Libertarian Party of California) and propose recommendations for how they
too can be made more California-specific, address issues not covered in the
national Libertarian Party platform (Platform | Libertarian Party) or otherwise
improved.

Everyone is encouraged to log in or call in to our Platform Committee
meetings and make their views known, as well as to subscribe to the
Platform Committee email list (Platform@ca.lp.org), where you can get
the information on upcoming PlatCom meetings (including tomorrow evening’s,
Tuesday December 21!) when it is posted.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))
LPC Platform Committee alternate (2021-2022)
(415) 573-7997


(1) Proposal to add the following sentence to section IV "Individual
Rights and Civil Order", Section 30 "Legislature", at the beginning of the
plank:

*We demand real, multi-party democracy in California to replace the
un-representative system in which all legislative seats are currently held
by Republicans or Democrats despite the fact that nearly one in three state
voters are affiliated with neither of the two establishment parties**,
and call for elections to the state legislature to be based on a system of
proportional representation in which parties receive a number of seats
proportionate to their share of the vote**.*


(2) Proposal to replace section IV "Individual Rights and Civil Order",
Section 31 "Secession", with the following language:

*Libertarians champion the right to self-determination including
political secession down to the level of the individual, and as members of
the Libertarian Party of California we specifically call for the division
of this state into multiple jurisdictions, to include the new state of
Jefferson in northern California and southern Oregon. California is
currently the third largest and most populous state, with around 40 million
people, and many residents, particularly in far-flung rural areas, feel
unrepresented by the government in Sacramento and deserve the opportunity
to choose their own political futures.*


(3) Proposal to delete the first sentence in section V "Individual
Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation", and replace it as follows:

Taxation is government's confiscation of property of its citizens.

*Taxation is theft and a form of slavery.*


(4) Proposal to delete the word "non-voluntary" in the second sentence
of section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation", and
replace it with "involuntary", to read as follows:

*Because of its* non-voluntary *involuntary nature, it cannot be
justified, regardless of the purpose for which the proceeds are to be
used. *


(5) Proposal to replace the language in bullet point A of section V
"Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation" as follows:

A. The repeal of all income taxes.
*A. The repeal of the California state income tax.*


(6) Proposal to add a new bullet point (H) to the list in section V
"Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation":

*H. An end to the practice of administratively imposing punitive fees or
fines that are clearly disproportionate to any harm caused by the
individual or group being fined, as a means of increasing government
revenue without such de facto tax increases being voted on by the people –
especially when such fees or fines are regressive and fall most heavily on
the poor.*

Everyone,

Below is the updated call in information for tonight’s meeting (7:30pm). I
hope you can join us.

Topic: Platform Zoom Meeting
Time: Dec 21, 2021 07:30 PM Pacific Time (US and Canada)

Join Zoom Meeting

Meeting ID: 884 6845 5795
Passcode: 176334
One tap mobile
+16699006833,88468455795# US (San Jose)
+14086380968,88468455795# US (San Jose)

Dial by your location
+1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)
+1 408 638 0968 US (San Jose)
+1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)
+1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma)
+1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC)
+1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)
+1 646 876 9923 US (New York)
Meeting ID: 884 6845 5795
Find your local number: Zoom International Dial-in Numbers - Zoom

···

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 4:24 AM Richard Fast fastrichard77@gmail.com wrote:

Hi everyone,

Thank you, Starchild, for your e-mail and proposals. I support all of them
and would advocate/vote for them.

For folks that want to join the meeting tomorrow, below is the call in
information. I believe it will be the same for every meeting. We seem to
usually meet Sundays at 7:30pm but it looks like we’ll be having additional
weekday meetings, too, now.

Topic: Platform Committee Meeting
Time: Dec 19, 2021 07:30 PM Pacific Time (US and Canada)

Join Zoom Meeting
Launch Meeting - Zoom

Meeting ID: 834 5824 4384
Passcode: 503411
One tap mobile
+16468769923,83458244384# US (New York)
+13017158592,83458244384# US (Washington DC)

Dial by your location
+1 646 876 9923 US (New York)
+1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC)
+1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)
+1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma)
+1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)
+1 408 638 0968 US (San Jose)
+1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)
Meeting ID: 834 5824 4384
Find your local number: Zoom International Dial-in Numbers - Zoom

As always, if you are an LPC member and have a platform proposal you’d
like to submit to the committee, please send it to me and I will submit it
as an agenda item.

Yours in Liberty,

Richard Fast
Platform rep.
LP San Francisco

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 1:53 AM Starchild sfdreamer@earthlink.net wrote:

Some members of the 2021-2022 Libertarian Party of California Platform
Committee, on which I serve as an alternate (Richard Fast is our
representative for San Francisco county), have repeatedly asserted that the
language in our current state platform is not specific to California, and
that it is encompassed in the national platform.

While the truth of these allegations as they apply to some of the
specific planks that a majority of the committee have voted to recommend be
deleted (and at least so far in the committee’s report, replaced with
nothing), is debatable, as a general matter I agree that our state
platform should be more California specific, and not simply echo the
national platform which mostly just expresses broad, general principles
without addressing the details of government aggressions and failures in
this state, and Libertarian solutions for them.

Therefore, taking the non-specificity and non-uniqueness complaints in
good faith, and wanting to see a more constructive alternative to the
slash-and-burn approach of just deleting everything wholesale, I’m putting
forward a number of proposals to make our current LPC platform language
more specific to California (along with a couple that would simply make the
current language shorter, and in my view improved). Certainly the
Libertarian Party having something to say about these topics at the
state level is more specific to California, and adds more value, than the
party having nothing to say to Californians about state and local
issues in our state.

I encourage others, both Platform Committee members and other
Libertarians, to likewise take a look at the current planks in our state
platform (Platform - Libertarian Party of California) and propose recommendations for how they
too can be made more California-specific, address issues not covered in the
national Libertarian Party platform (Platform | Libertarian Party) or otherwise
improved.

Everyone is encouraged to log in or call in to our Platform Committee
meetings and make their views known, as well as to subscribe to the
Platform Committee email list (Platform@ca.lp.org), where you can get
the information on upcoming PlatCom meetings (including tomorrow evening’s,
Tuesday December 21!) when it is posted.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))
LPC Platform Committee alternate (2021-2022)
(415) 573-7997


(1) Proposal to add the following sentence to section IV "Individual
Rights and Civil Order", Section 30 "Legislature", at the beginning of the
plank:

*We demand real, multi-party democracy in California to replace the
un-representative system in which all legislative seats are currently held
by Republicans or Democrats despite the fact that nearly one in three state
voters are affiliated with neither of the two establishment parties**,
and call for elections to the state legislature to be based on a system of
proportional representation in which parties receive a number of seats
proportionate to their share of the vote**.*


(2) Proposal to replace section IV "Individual Rights and Civil Order",
Section 31 "Secession", with the following language:

*Libertarians champion the right to self-determination including
political secession down to the level of the individual, and as members of
the Libertarian Party of California we specifically call for the division
of this state into multiple jurisdictions, to include the new state of
Jefferson in northern California and southern Oregon. California is
currently the third largest and most populous state, with around 40 million
people, and many residents, particularly in far-flung rural areas, feel
unrepresented by the government in Sacramento and deserve the opportunity
to choose their own political futures.*


(3) Proposal to delete the first sentence in section V "Individual Rights
and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation", and replace it as follows:

Taxation is government's confiscation of property of its citizens.

*Taxation is theft and a form of slavery.*


(4) Proposal to delete the word "non-voluntary" in the second sentence of
section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation", and
replace it with "involuntary", to read as follows:

*Because of its* non-voluntary *involuntary nature, it cannot be
justified, regardless of the purpose for which the proceeds are to be
used. *


(5) Proposal to replace the language in bullet point A of section V
"Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation" as follows:

A. The repeal of all income taxes.
*A. The repeal of the California state income tax.*


(6) Proposal to add a new bullet point (H) to the list in section V
"Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation":

*H. An end to the practice of administratively imposing punitive fees or
fines that are clearly disproportionate to any harm caused by the
individual or group being fined, as a means of increasing government
revenue without such de facto tax increases being voted on by the people –
especially when such fees or fines are regressive and fall most heavily on
the poor.*

I wish I could be on the call but I will be at the Hanford City Council
meeting.

···

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 2:17 PM Richard Fast fastrichard77@gmail.com wrote:

Everyone,

Below is the updated call in information for tonight’s meeting (7:30pm). I
hope you can join us.

Topic: Platform Zoom Meeting
Time: Dec 21, 2021 07:30 PM Pacific Time (US and Canada)

Join Zoom Meeting
Launch Meeting - Zoom

Meeting ID: 884 6845 5795
Passcode: 176334
One tap mobile
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On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 4:24 AM Richard Fast fastrichard77@gmail.com > wrote:

Hi everyone,

Thank you, Starchild, for your e-mail and proposals. I support all of
them and would advocate/vote for them.

For folks that want to join the meeting tomorrow, below is the call in
information. I believe it will be the same for every meeting. We seem to
usually meet Sundays at 7:30pm but it looks like we’ll be having additional
weekday meetings, too, now.

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As always, if you are an LPC member and have a platform proposal you’d
like to submit to the committee, please send it to me and I will submit it
as an agenda item.

Yours in Liberty,

Richard Fast
Platform rep.
LP San Francisco

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 1:53 AM Starchild sfdreamer@earthlink.net >> wrote:

Some members of the 2021-2022 Libertarian Party of California Platform
Committee, on which I serve as an alternate (Richard Fast is our
representative for San Francisco county), have repeatedly asserted that the
language in our current state platform is not specific to California, and
that it is encompassed in the national platform.

While the truth of these allegations as they apply to some of the
specific planks that a majority of the committee have voted to recommend be
deleted (and at least so far in the committee’s report, replaced with
nothing), is debatable, as a general matter I agree that our state
platform should be more California specific, and not simply echo the
national platform which mostly just expresses broad, general principles
without addressing the details of government aggressions and failures in
this state, and Libertarian solutions for them.

Therefore, taking the non-specificity and non-uniqueness complaints in
good faith, and wanting to see a more constructive alternative to the
slash-and-burn approach of just deleting everything wholesale, I’m putting
forward a number of proposals to make our current LPC platform language
more specific to California (along with a couple that would simply make the
current language shorter, and in my view improved). Certainly the
Libertarian Party having something to say about these topics at the
state level is more specific to California, and adds more value, than the
party having nothing to say to Californians about state and local
issues in our state.

I encourage others, both Platform Committee members and other
Libertarians, to likewise take a look at the current planks in our state
platform (Platform - Libertarian Party of California) and propose recommendations for how they
too can be made more California-specific, address issues not covered in the
national Libertarian Party platform (Platform | Libertarian Party) or otherwise
improved.

Everyone is encouraged to log in or call in to our Platform Committee
meetings and make their views known, as well as to subscribe to the
Platform Committee email list (Platform@ca.lp.org), where you can get
the information on upcoming PlatCom meetings (including tomorrow evening’s,
Tuesday December 21!) when it is posted.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))
LPC Platform Committee alternate (2021-2022)
(415) 573-7997


(1) Proposal to add the following sentence to section IV "Individual
Rights and Civil Order", Section 30 "Legislature", at the beginning of the
plank:

*We demand real, multi-party democracy in California to replace the
un-representative system in which all legislative seats are currently held
by Republicans or Democrats despite the fact that nearly one in three state
voters are affiliated with neither of the two establishment parties**,
and call for elections to the state legislature to be based on a system of
proportional representation in which parties receive a number of seats
proportionate to their share of the vote**.*


(2) Proposal to replace section IV "Individual Rights and Civil Order",
Section 31 "Secession", with the following language:

*Libertarians champion the right to self-determination including
political secession down to the level of the individual, and as members of
the Libertarian Party of California we specifically call for the division
of this state into multiple jurisdictions, to include the new state of
Jefferson in northern California and southern Oregon. California is
currently the third largest and most populous state, with around 40 million
people, and many residents, particularly in far-flung rural areas, feel
unrepresented by the government in Sacramento and deserve the opportunity
to choose their own political futures.*


(3) Proposal to delete the first sentence in section V "Individual
Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation", and replace it as follows:

Taxation is government's confiscation of property of its citizens.

*Taxation is theft and a form of slavery.*


(4) Proposal to delete the word "non-voluntary" in the second sentence
of section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation", and
replace it with "involuntary", to read as follows:

*Because of its* non-voluntary *involuntary nature, it cannot be
justified, regardless of the purpose for which the proceeds are to be
used. *


(5) Proposal to replace the language in bullet point A of section V
"Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation" as follows:

A. The repeal of all income taxes.
*A. The repeal of the California state income tax.*


(6) Proposal to add a new bullet point (H) to the list in section V
"Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation":

*H. An end to the practice of administratively imposing punitive fees or
fines that are clearly disproportionate to any harm caused by the
individual or group being fined, as a means of increasing government
revenue without such de facto tax increases being voted on by the people –
especially when such fees or fines are regressive and fall most heavily on
the poor.*

As a political party whose bread & butter is growing the party’s appeal among the uninitiated — not an inbred esoteric arcane cult using endless counterproductive circle-jerk dogwhistles — the language we use on public-facing platforms is vital to growth & ensuring that we aren’t misunderstood or maligned. As the most popular Libertarian in the Nation’s Capital ever, another D stronghold like SF/CA, I win over Ds & Rs & Gs & Is by not dropping vapid abstract terms like “free market” (which our opponents seize upon to associate Libertarians with crony corporatist-welfare capitalist elites who’ve ruined our Nation nearly from the gitgo & seized it relentlessly since 1913/1943) without clarification in layman’s terms:

When I’ve spoken face-to-face with thousands of folks on the street & in public forms, I remind the public that “YOU Are The ‘free market’” & in a truly “capitalist” society we would not need a govt or elections because YOU ( & I ) “vote” every day with every penny YOU spend whether it be to support local businesses, purchase healthy sustainable products for our families, support effective valuable charities, houses of worship, etc — not nameless faceless bureaucRATs hiding behind closed doors thousands of miles away in DC or any state Capital.”

In such a system, no one would be donating thousands of dollars from their personal earnings & savings for #USgovt corpoRATist warmongering in Nation’s most folks could not find on an unmarked map or spell; every parent/family would decide the best schools for their children, not their municipal zip codes or crony contacts; corrupt inhuman companies would go out of business within days of their nefarious dealings being brought to light by word of mouth & there would be endless numbers of entrepreneurs lined up to fill the void with better products at lower costs.

I also never fail to note that when Libertarians untangle govt, we will give every #USWorker an immediate 20% to 50% raise, cut the costs of everyday purchases, & allow families to pass along 100% of their wealth to their children & designated family or charity without interference from anyone else; & folks won’t be forced to support any legacy govt projects you don’t individually approve of.

Those simple key points usually ( 80% of the time ) win folks over within a 2min elevator pitch before their eyes glaze over as they will when we don’t quickly address the bread & butter issues they are familiar with & hold dear.

These are all good. You may not realize it's importance, but I approve . . Well done!gail lightfoot
···

—On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 1:53 AM Starchild sfdreamer@earthlink.net wrote:

Some members of the 2021-2022 Libertarian Party of California Platform Committee, on which I serve as an alternate (Richard Fast is our representative for San Francisco county), have repeatedly asserted that the language in our current state platform is not specific to California, and that it is encompassed in the national platform.
While the truth of these allegations as they apply to some of the specific planks that a majority of the committee have voted to recommend be deleted (and at least so far in the committee’s report, replaced with nothing), is debatable, as a general matter I agree that our state platform should be more California specific, and not simply echo the national platform which mostly just expresses broad, general principles without addressing the details of government aggressions and failures in this state, and Libertarian solutions for them.
Therefore, taking the non-specificity and non-uniqueness complaints in good faith, and wanting to see a more constructive alternative to the slash-and-burn approach of just deleting everything wholesale, I’m putting forward a number of proposals to make our current LPC platform language more specific to California (along with a couple that would simply make the current language shorter, and in my view improved). Certainly the Libertarian Party having something to say about these topics at the state level is more specific to California, and adds more value, than the party having nothing to say to Californians about state and local issues in our state.
I encourage others, both Platform Committee members and other Libertarians, to likewise take a look at the current planks in our state platform (Platform - Libertarian Party of California) and propose recommendations for how they too can be made more California-specific, address issues not covered in the national Libertarian Party platform (Platform | Libertarian Party) or otherwise improved.
Everyone is encouraged to log in or call in to our Platform Committee meetings and make their views known, as well as to subscribe to the Platform Committee email list (Platform@ca.lp.org), where you can get the information on upcoming PlatCom meetings (including tomorrow evening’s, Tuesday December 21!) when it is posted.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))LPC Platform Committee alternate (2021-2022)(415) 573-7997

(1) Proposal to add the following sentence to section IV "Individual Rights and Civil Order", Section 30 "Legislature", at the beginning of the plank:
We demand real, multi-party democracy in California to replace the un-representative system in which all legislative seats are currently held by Republicans or Democrats despite the fact that nearly one in three state voters are affiliated with neither of the two establishment parties, and call for elections to the state legislature to be based on a system of proportional representation in which parties receive a number of seats proportionate to their share of the vote.

(2) Proposal to replace section IV "Individual Rights and Civil Order", Section 31 "Secession", with the following language:
Libertarians champion the right to self-determination including political secession down to the level of the individual, and as members of the Libertarian Party of California we specifically call for the division of this state into multiple jurisdictions, to include the new state of Jefferson in northern California and southern Oregon. California is currently the third largest and most populous state, with around 40 million people, and many residents, particularly in far-flung rural areas, feel unrepresented by the government in Sacramento and deserve the opportunity to choose their own political futures.

(3) Proposal to delete the first sentence in section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation", and replace it as follows:
Taxation is government's confiscation of property of its citizens.
Taxation is theft and a form of slavery.

(4) Proposal to delete the word "non-voluntary" in the second sentence of section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation", and replace it with "involuntary", to read as follows:
Because of its non-voluntary involuntary nature, it cannot be justified, regardless of the purpose for which the proceeds are to be used. 

(5) Proposal to replace the language in bullet point A of section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation" as follows:
A. The repeal of all income taxes.A. The repeal of the California state income tax.

(6) Proposal to add a new bullet point (H) to the list in section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation":
H. An end to the practice of administratively imposing punitive fees or fines that are clearly disproportionate to any harm caused by the individual or group being fined, as a means of increasing government revenue without such de facto tax increases being voted on by the people – especially when such fees or fines are regressive and fall most heavily on the poor.

</details>

Alcohol and Tobacco & “What we OPPOSE” ?

When winning over VOTERS, it’s best to articulate how “we” aim to support “them” & dispense with the virtue signaling about what we oppose in govt which we have virtually zero say in & prefer did not exist at all. There is no mention of PARENTS or FAMILIES which is pretty glaring since they are the foundation of all communities & societies. For instance, “We support parents & families have the sole right to manage & restrict or permit what drugs their children, regardless of age, have access to use; & adults have a right to use or abstain from any toxic chemical.” Govt has zero business meddling in private family affairs.

Alcohol” is a marketing term for the poison “ethanol” & demonstrates how that industry has captured govt, media, & political parties to sanitize their product line confusing rights & liberty with usually disastrous personal health choices. Health care being one of the most expensive things individuals & families must address individually more than any other almost every day of their lives & they must take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for the outcomes of using poisons ( loss of job, loss of housing, loss of friends & family, dis-EASE, loss of independence noting that #ADDICTION is a form of slavery to drug companies, drug peddlers & subsequent cottage of industry of health institutions banking on HUNDREDS of US$ BILLIONS to care for the diverse ailments of folks who ingest poisons alone.

We should turn the tables on both corrupt if not murderous industries ( healthcare & poisons ) & emphasize that the best health care is #SelfCare, #HealthIsWealth ( just add up the money not healthy people spend on doctors, hospitals, Rx products ) & #HealthIsFreedom ( HEALTHY folks have little to fear & inate immunity ) from #USgovt #govthealthSCARES ( mendacious flus, flu shots, stds/stis, hivaids, h1n1, cold/coronaviruses à la “covid19”, “omicron” etc etc industry cartels & mafiosos ).

#govtschools should be the sole term we use ( ie: “public schools” is another marketing term, under Family Life ). When we clarify how these “institutions” are designed by & to enrich govt bureaucrats & crony industries ( pentagon, etc ) more than develop students or build communities, lights go off in the eyes of our audiences & we win them over. #USgovt schools banned the education of women, AA/Blacks & native tribal folks & gave birth to private institutions, which rose out of home/community schooling which catered to those groups. Women didn’t graduate from West Point until 1980, TEN (10) years after they had been permitted to enroll in Ivy League institutions which had at least somewhat comparable sister schools for women.

Martin,

I tried replying to you via direct message in Zoom, but you left the meeting. I strongly encourage you to come back and speak during public comment (should be next on the agenda), against the mass deletions! Your voice as a longtime Libertarian but newcomer to CA could be helpful.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

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FRNP
December 22
#govtschools should be the sole term we use ( ie: “public schools” is another marketing term, under Family Life ). When we clarify how these “institutions” are designed by & to enrich govt bureaucrats & crony industries ( pentagon, etc ) more than develop students or build communities, lights go off in the eyes of our audiences & we win them over. #USgovt schools banned the education of women, AA/Blacks & native tribal folks & gave birth to private institutions, which rose out of home/community schooling which catered to those groups. Women didn’t graduate from West Point until 1980, TEN (10) years after they had been permitted to enroll in Ivy League institutions which had at least somewhat comparable sister schools for women.

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FRNP
December 22
Alcohol and Tobacco & “What we OPPOSE” ?

When winning over VOTERS, it’s best to articulate how “we” aim to support “them” & dispense with the virtue signaling about what we oppose in govt which we have virtually zero say in & prefer did not exist at all. There is no mention of PARENTS or FAMILIES which is pretty glaring since they are the foundation of all communities & societies. For instance, “We support parents & families have the sole right to manage & restrict or permit what drugs their children, regardless of age, have access to use; & adults have a right to use or abstain from any toxic chemical.” Govt has zero business meddling in private family affairs.

“Alcohol” is a marketing term for the poison “ethanol” & demonstrates how that industry has captured govt, media, & political parties to sanitize their product line confusing rights & liberty with usually disastrous personal health choices. Health care being one of the most expensive things individuals & families must address individually more than any other almost every day of their lives & they must take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for the outcomes of using poisons ( loss of job, loss of housing, loss of friends & family, dis-EASE, loss of independence noting that #ADDICTION is a form of slavery to drug companies, drug peddlers & subsequent cottage of industry of health institutions banking on HUNDREDS of US$ BILLIONS to care for the diverse ailments of folks who ingest poisons alone.

We should turn the tables on both corrupt if not murderous industries ( healthcare & poisons ) & emphasize that the best health care is #SelfCare, #HealthIsWealth ( just add up the money not healthy people spend on doctors, hospitals, Rx products ) & #HealthIsFreedom ( HEALTHY folks have little to fear & inate immunity ) from #USgovt #govthealthSCARES ( mendacious flus, flu shots, stds/stis, hivaids, h1n1, cold/coronaviruses à la “covid19”, “omicron” etc etc industry cartels & mafiosos ).

Gail_Lightfoot
December 22
These are all good. You may not realize it’s importance, but I approve . . Well done!gail lightfoot
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FRNP
December 21
As a political party whose bread & butter is growing the party’s appeal among the uninitiated — not an inbred esoteric arcane cult using endless counterproductive circle-jerk dogwhistles — the language we use on public-facing platforms is vital to growth & ensuring that we aren’t misunderstood or maligned. As the most popular Libertarian in the Nation’s Capital ever, another D stronghold like SF/CA, I win over Ds & Rs & Gs & Is by not dropping vapid abstract terms like “free market” (which our opponents seize upon to associate Libertarians with crony corporatist-welfare capitalist elites who’ve ruined our Nation nearly from the gitgo & seized it relentlessly since 1913/1943) without clarification in layman’s terms:

When I’ve spoken face-to-face with thousands of folks on the street & in public forms, I remind the public that “YOU Are The ‘free market’” & in a truly “capitalist” society we would not need a govt or elections because YOU ( & I ) “vote” every day with every penny YOU spend whether it be to support local businesses, purchase healthy sustainable products for our families, support effective valuable charities, houses of worship, etc — not nameless faceless bureaucRATs hiding behind closed doors thousands of miles away in DC or any state Capital.”

In such a system, no one would be donating thousands of dollars from their personal earnings & savings for #USgovt corpoRATist warmongering in Nation’s most folks could not find on an unmarked map or spell; every parent/family would decide the best schools for their children, not their municipal zip codes or crony contacts; corrupt inhuman companies would go out of business within days of their nefarious dealings being brought to light by word of mouth & there would be endless numbers of entrepreneurs lined up to fill the void with better products at lower costs.

I also never fail to note that when Libertarians untangle govt, we will give every #USWorker an immediate 20% to 50% raise, cut the costs of everyday purchases, & allow families to pass along 100% of their wealth to their children & designated family or charity without interference from anyone else; & folks won’t be forced to support any legacy govt projects you don’t individually approve of.

Those simple key points usually ( 80% of the time ) win folks over within a 2min elevator pitch before their eyes glaze over as they will when we don’t quickly address the bread & butter issues they are familiar with & hold dear.

Kenneth_Olsen
December 21
I wish I could be on the call but I will be at the Hanford City Council
meeting.

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RickySpeed
December 21
Everyone,

Below is the updated call in information for tonight’s meeting (7:30pm). I
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These are all good. You may not realize it's importance, but I approve . . 

Well done!
gail lightfoot

—On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 1:53 AM Starchild sfdreamer@earthlink.net wrote:

Some members of the 2021-2022 Libertarian Party of California Platform Committee, on which I serve as an alternate (Richard Fast is our representative for San Francisco county), have repeatedly asserted that the language in our current state platform is not specific to California, and that it is encompassed in the national platform.

While the truth of these allegations as they apply to some of the specific planks that a majority of the committee have voted to recommend be deleted (and at least so far in the committee’s report, replaced with nothing), is debatable, as a general matter I agree that our state platform should be more California specific, and not simply echo the national platform which mostly just expresses broad, general principles without addressing the details of government aggressions and failures in this state, and Libertarian solutions for them.

Therefore, taking the non-specificity and non-uniqueness complaints in good faith, and wanting to see a more constructive alternative to the slash-and-burn approach of just deleting everything wholesale, I’m putting forward a number of proposals to make our current LPC platform language more specific to California (along with a couple that would simply make the current language shorter, and in my view improved). Certainly the Libertarian Party having something to say about these topics at the state level is more specific to California, and adds more value, than the party having nothing to say to Californians about state and local issues in our state.

I encourage others, both Platform Committee members and other Libertarians, to likewise take a look at the current planks in our state platform (Platform - Libertarian Party of California) and propose recommendations for how they too can be made more California-specific, address issues not covered in the national Libertarian Party platform (Platform | Libertarian Party) or otherwise improved.

Everyone is encouraged to log in or call in to our Platform Committee meetings and make their views known, as well as to subscribe to the Platform Committee email list (Platform@ca.lp.org), where you can get the information on upcoming PlatCom meetings (including tomorrow evening’s, Tuesday December 21!) when it is posted.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))
LPC Platform Committee alternate (2021-2022)
(415) 573-7997


(1) Proposal to add the following sentence to section IV "Individual Rights and Civil Order", Section 30 "Legislature", at the beginning of the plank:

We demand real, multi-party democracy in California to replace the un-representative system in which all legislative seats are currently held by Republicans or Democrats despite the fact that nearly one in three state voters are affiliated with neither of the two establishment parties, and call for elections to the state legislature to be based on a system of proportional representation in which parties receive a number of seats proportionate to their share of the vote.


(2) Proposal to replace section IV "Individual Rights and Civil Order", Section 31 "Secession", with the following language:

Libertarians champion the right to self-determination including political secession down to the level of the individual, and as members of the Libertarian Party of California we specifically call for the division of this state into multiple jurisdictions, to include the new state of Jefferson in northern California and southern Oregon. California is currently the third largest and most populous state, with around 40 million people, and many residents, particularly in far-flung rural areas, feel unrepresented by the government in Sacramento and deserve the opportunity to choose their own political futures.


(3) Proposal to delete the first sentence in section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation", and replace it as follows:

Taxation is government's confiscation of property of its citizens.

Taxation is theft and a form of slavery.


(4) Proposal to delete the word "non-voluntary" in the second sentence of section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation", and replace it with "involuntary", to read as follows:

Because of its non-voluntary involuntary nature, it cannot be justified, regardless of the purpose for which the proceeds are to be used. 


(5) Proposal to replace the language in bullet point A of section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation" as follows:

A. The repeal of all income taxes.
A. The repeal of the California state income tax.


(6) Proposal to add a new bullet point (H) to the list in section V "Individual Rights and the Economy", Section 1 "Taxation":

H. An end to the practice of administratively imposing punitive fees or fines that are clearly disproportionate to any harm caused by the individual or group being fined, as a means of increasing government revenue without such de facto tax increases being voted on by the people – especially when such fees or fines are regressive and fall most heavily on the poor.

I strongly agree with you about the school terminology, by the way. I always try to say “government schools” rather than “public schools” (and “independent schools” rather than “private schools”).

Please continue further discussion of these ideas on the Discuss list (not the Activist list), by the way.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

P.S. – Public comment starting on the Platform Committee happening NOW!

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On Dec 21, 2021, at 8:03 PM, Starchild via LPSF Forum wrote:

Starchild
December 22
Martin,

I tried replying to you via direct message in Zoom, but you left the meeting. I strongly encourage you to come back and speak during public comment (should be next on the agenda), against the mass deletions! Your voice as a longtime Libertarian but newcomer to CA could be helpful.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

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Starchild
December 21
Some members of the 2021-2022 Libertarian Party of California Platform Committee, on which I serve as an alternate (Richard Fast is our representative for San Francisco county), have repeatedly asserted that the language in our current state platform is not specific to California, and that it is enc…
Previous Replies

FRNP
December 22
#govtschools should be the sole term we use ( ie: “public schools” is another marketing term, under Family Life ). When we clarify how these “institutions” are designed by & to enrich govt bureaucrats & crony industries ( pentagon, etc ) more than develop students or build communities, lights go off in the eyes of our audiences & we win them over. #USgovt schools banned the education of women, AA/Blacks & native tribal folks & gave birth to private institutions, which rose out of home/community schooling which catered to those groups. Women didn’t graduate from West Point until 1980, TEN (10) years after they had been permitted to enroll in Ivy League institutions which had at least somewhat comparable sister schools for women.

FRNP
December 22
Alcohol and Tobacco & “What we OPPOSE” ?

When winning over VOTERS, it’s best to articulate how “we” aim to support “them” & dispense with the virtue signaling about what we oppose in govt which we have virtually zero say in & prefer did not exist at all. There is no mention of PARENTS or FAMILIES which is pretty glaring since they are the foundation of all communities & societies. For instance, “We support parents & families have the sole right to manage & restrict or permit what drugs their children, regardless of age, have access to use; & adults have a right to use or abstain from any toxic chemical.” Govt has zero business meddling in private family affairs.

“Alcohol” is a marketing term for the poison “ethanol” & demonstrates how that industry has captured govt, media, & political parties to sanitize their product line confusing rights & liberty with usually disastrous personal health choices. Health care being one of the most expensive things individuals & families must address individually more than any other almost every day of their lives & they must take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for the outcomes of using poisons ( loss of job, loss of housing, loss of friends & family, dis-EASE, loss of independence noting that #ADDICTION is a form of slavery to drug companies, drug peddlers & subsequent cottage of industry of health institutions banking on HUNDREDS of US$ BILLIONS to care for the diverse ailments of folks who ingest poisons alone.

We should turn the tables on both corrupt if not murderous industries ( healthcare & poisons ) & emphasize that the best health care is #SelfCare, #HealthIsWealth ( just add up the money not healthy people spend on doctors, hospitals, Rx products ) & #HealthIsFreedom ( HEALTHY folks have little to fear & inate immunity ) from #USgovt #govthealthSCARES ( mendacious flus, flu shots, stds/stis, hivaids, h1n1, cold/coronaviruses à la “covid19”, “omicron” etc etc industry cartels & mafiosos ).

Gail_Lightfoot
December 22
These are all good. You may not realize it’s importance, but I approve . . Well done!gail lightfoot
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FRNP
December 21
As a political party whose bread & butter is growing the party’s appeal among the uninitiated — not an inbred esoteric arcane cult using endless counterproductive circle-jerk dogwhistles — the language we use on public-facing platforms is vital to growth & ensuring that we aren’t misunderstood or maligned. As the most popular Libertarian in the Nation’s Capital ever, another D stronghold like SF/CA, I win over Ds & Rs & Gs & Is by not dropping vapid abstract terms like “free market” (which our opponents seize upon to associate Libertarians with crony corporatist-welfare capitalist elites who’ve ruined our Nation nearly from the gitgo & seized it relentlessly since 1913/1943) without clarification in layman’s terms:

When I’ve spoken face-to-face with thousands of folks on the street & in public forms, I remind the public that “YOU Are The ‘free market’” & in a truly “capitalist” society we would not need a govt or elections because YOU ( & I ) “vote” every day with every penny YOU spend whether it be to support local businesses, purchase healthy sustainable products for our families, support effective valuable charities, houses of worship, etc — not nameless faceless bureaucRATs hiding behind closed doors thousands of miles away in DC or any state Capital.”

In such a system, no one would be donating thousands of dollars from their personal earnings & savings for #USgovt corpoRATist warmongering in Nation’s most folks could not find on an unmarked map or spell; every parent/family would decide the best schools for their children, not their municipal zip codes or crony contacts; corrupt inhuman companies would go out of business within days of their nefarious dealings being brought to light by word of mouth & there would be endless numbers of entrepreneurs lined up to fill the void with better products at lower costs.

I also never fail to note that when Libertarians untangle govt, we will give every #USWorker an immediate 20% to 50% raise, cut the costs of everyday purchases, & allow families to pass along 100% of their wealth to their children & designated family or charity without interference from anyone else; & folks won’t be forced to support any legacy govt projects you don’t individually approve of.

Those simple key points usually ( 80% of the time ) win folks over within a 2min elevator pitch before their eyes glaze over as they will when we don’t quickly address the bread & butter issues they are familiar with & hold dear.

Kenneth_Olsen
December 21
I wish I could be on the call but I will be at the Hanford City Council
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December 21
As a political party whose bread & butter is growing the party’s appeal among the uninitiated — not an inbred esoteric arcane cult using endless counterproductive circle-jerk dogwhistles — the language we use on public-facing platforms is vital to growth & ensuring that we aren’t misunderstood or maligned. As the most popular Libertarian in the Nation’s Capital ever, another D stronghold like SF/CA, I win over Ds & Rs & Gs & Is by not dropping vapid abstract terms like “free market” (which our opponents seize upon to associate Libertarians with crony corporatist-welfare capitalist elites who’ve ruined our Nation nearly from the gitgo & seized it relentlessly since 1913/1943) without clarification in layman’s terms:

When I’ve spoken face-to-face with thousands of folks on the street & in public forms, I remind the public that “YOU Are The ‘free market’” & in a truly “capitalist” society we would not need a govt or elections because YOU ( & I ) “vote” every day with every penny YOU spend whether it be to support local businesses, purchase healthy sustainable products for our families, support effective valuable charities, houses of worship, etc — not nameless faceless bureaucRATs hiding behind closed doors thousands of miles away in DC or any state Capital.”

In such a system, no one would be donating thousands of dollars from their personal earnings & savings for #USgovt corpoRATist warmongering in Nation’s most folks could not find on an unmarked map or spell; every parent/family would decide the best schools for their children, not their municipal zip codes or crony contacts; corrupt inhuman companies would go out of business within days of their nefarious dealings being brought to light by word of mouth & there would be endless numbers of entrepreneurs lined up to fill the void with better products at lower costs.

I also never fail to note that when Libertarians untangle govt, we will give every #USWorker an immediate 20% to 50% raise, cut the costs of everyday purchases, & allow families to pass along 100% of their wealth to their children & designated family or charity without interference from anyone else; & folks won’t be forced to support any legacy govt projects you don’t individually approve of.

Those simple key points usually ( 80% of the time ) win folks over within a 2min elevator pitch before their eyes glaze over as they will when we don’t quickly address the bread & butter issues they are familiar with & hold dear.

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Starchild
December 21
Some members of the 2021-2022 Libertarian Party of California Platform Committee, on which I serve as an alternate (Richard Fast is our representative for San Francisco county), have repeatedly asserted that the language in our current state platform is not specific to California, and that it is enc…
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Starchild
December 22
I strongly agree with you about the school terminology, by the way. I always try to say “government schools” rather than “public schools” (and “independent schools” rather than “private schools”).

Please continue further discussion of these ideas on the Discuss list (not the Activist list), by the way.

Love & Liberty,

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P.S. – Public comment starting on the Platform Committee happening NOW!

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Starchild
December 22
Thanks, Gail!

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Starchild
December 22
Martin,

I tried replying to you via direct message in Zoom, but you left the meeting. I strongly encourage you to come back and speak during public comment (should be next on the agenda), against the mass deletions! Your voice as a longtime Libertarian but newcomer to CA could be helpful.

Love & Liberty,

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FRNP
December 22
#govtschools should be the sole term we use ( ie: “public schools” is another marketing term, under Family Life ). When we clarify how these “institutions” are designed by & to enrich govt bureaucrats & crony industries ( pentagon, etc ) more than develop students or build communities, lights go off in the eyes of our audiences & we win them over. #USgovt schools banned the education of women, AA/Blacks & native tribal folks & gave birth to private institutions, which rose out of home/community schooling which catered to those groups. Women didn’t graduate from West Point until 1980, TEN (10) years after they had been permitted to enroll in Ivy League institutions which had at least somewhat comparable sister schools for women.

FRNP
December 22
Alcohol and Tobacco & “What we OPPOSE” ?

When winning over VOTERS, it’s best to articulate how “we” aim to support “them” & dispense with the virtue signaling about what we oppose in govt which we have virtually zero say in & prefer did not exist at all. There is no mention of PARENTS or FAMILIES which is pretty glaring since they are the foundation of all communities & societies. For instance, “We support parents & families have the sole right to manage & restrict or permit what drugs their children, regardless of age, have access to use; & adults have a right to use or abstain from any toxic chemical.” Govt has zero business meddling in private family affairs.

“Alcohol” is a marketing term for the poison “ethanol” & demonstrates how that industry has captured govt, media, & political parties to sanitize their product line confusing rights & liberty with usually disastrous personal health choices. Health care being one of the most expensive things individuals & families must address individually more than any other almost every day of their lives & they must take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for the outcomes of using poisons ( loss of job, loss of housing, loss of friends & family, dis-EASE, loss of independence noting that #ADDICTION is a form of slavery to drug companies, drug peddlers & subsequent cottage of industry of health institutions banking on HUNDREDS of US$ BILLIONS to care for the diverse ailments of folks who ingest poisons alone.

We should turn the tables on both corrupt if not murderous industries ( healthcare & poisons ) & emphasize that the best health care is #SelfCare, #HealthIsWealth ( just add up the money not healthy people spend on doctors, hospitals, Rx products ) & #HealthIsFreedom ( HEALTHY folks have little to fear & inate immunity ) from #USgovt #govthealthSCARES ( mendacious flus, flu shots, stds/stis, hivaids, h1n1, cold/coronaviruses à la “covid19”, “omicron” etc etc industry cartels & mafiosos ).

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