Hi Starchild,
Thank you for offering to personally go to shops, etc. Just an
idea: If personally visiting a lot of shops proves too time
consuming, you might consider also e-mailing poster shops, modern-art-
type galleries, places that sell posters along with other
merchandise, all over the Bay Area. The e-mail could contain an offer
to leave the posters on consignment. I am thinking that the e-mail
could include a PDF of the poster. Although I realize that the first
reaction this idea would bring is that anyone then can print the
poster and sell them on their own, I trust that most people are
honest and would not engage in such blatant copyright infringement.
Any sales would have to be in Outright's name, I would imagine, since
the LPSF has no sales permits.
Regards,
Marcy
--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@...>
wrote:
Phil,
Ah, some constructive alternatives! This is much better than
just
saying no we shouldn't put posters up on clapboard walls. Who
among
the previous naysayers (or anyone else) will volunteer to go
around
with me and ask businesses to put the poster up in their windows,
ask
cartoon or poster shops to sell it, and ask other organizations
working for liberty to put it up in their offices?
Love & Liberty,
<<< starchild >>>
>
> This may be perfect impetus we needed to finally get us to start
> talking to small business owners. What about selling it in
cartoon
> and or poster shops. How about donating it to like minded
> organizations for decorative purposes. PRI, How community
> organizations?
>
>
> From: Starchild
> To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:19 PM
> Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: Poster activism, supplies & storage
>
> Ron,
>
>
> I thought the plan all along was to get substantial numbers
of the
> posters out on the streets. This is certainly not the first time
> I've mentioned it on this list, where I've spoken in the past
about
> putting them up in public places -- although you have already
> expanded my recent proposal of using spray glue to
include "gluing
> and plastering and pasting and sticking" (in a glaring
oversight,
> you seem to have forgotten "tacking"). You may disagree, but I
> think the important thing is for as many members of the public
as
> possible to see the posters, and that this is the best way to
> recoup our investment.
>
> From the responses here, one would think I suggested gluing
the
> posters to the windshields of peoples' cars, or more
appropriately,
> tacking them up on the doors of City Hall like Martin Luther did
> when he kicked off Protestantism by nailing his objections to
the
> doors of a church. No, I'm well aware that most LP members lack
the
> stomach to do anything so radical. If the LP were organizing the
> Boston Tea Party today, it would be just that -- a nice, quiet
tea
> party in a restaurant, where it wouldn't bother anyone.
>
> The first email I sent in this thread did not say anything
about
> the LPSF not having any input. Obviously, LPSF members are
having
> plenty of input. If I wanted to do something without the LPSF
> having any input, I wouldn't post a public message on the LPSF
list
> now, would I? So if you truly did take that as an insult, and
are
> not just using the word because I used it, then I trust you can
see
> that the feeling was unwarranted. If you can't, then you'd
better
> save some of the cold water from that bucket to wipe off your
glasses.
>
> Love & Liberty,
> <<< starchild >>>
>
>
>
>
>> Dear Starchild;
>>
>> Bucket of cold water... 
>>
>> When your original e-mail talked about gluing and plastering and
>> pasting and sticking the posters up hither and yon - without any
>> input from the LPSF I took that as an insult.
>>
>> When we authorized 1/3 of our budget for those posters it would
seem
>> inherent to discuss how the LPSF could best use those posters to
the
>> best advantage of the LPSF for the best effect and best results
for
>> the LPSF - our membership - new members and even our depleted
>> treasury.
>>
>> Ergo and thus and therefore if the words - dose of reality -
stopped
>> you cold for a momento - I say - good.
>>
>> The LPSF needs to discuss first at a regularly scheduled meeting
how
>> the investment we made can pay off and double or triple the
actual
>> investment or intangibly double or triple the effect of the
>> investment to the LPSF's benefit.
>>
>> Now go take a cold shower ..... :- )
>>
>> Ron Getty
>> SF Libertarian
>>
>> --- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ron,
>> >
>> > It's rather insulting to begin a message "dose of reality."
>> Please
>> > save it for your letters to the editor where you're taking
statist
>> > politicians to task. Most organizations named on materials
posted
>> in
>> > a manner contrary to government regulations are *not* fined,
just
>> as
>> > most people who jaywalk or smoke pot don't get fined. Similarly
>> > stupid and largely unenforceable rules.
>> >
>> > However I'm amenable to agreeing to pay any fines and costs
>> of
>> > removal for putting up the posters incurred by the LPSF,
should we
>> be
>> > fined and fail to get the fine overturned after contesting it
to
>> the
>> > extent we are reasonably able.
>> >
>> > Regarding construction site clapboards, if there is no "post
>> no
>> > bills" signage, I think it's reasonable to treat it the way one
>> would
>> > a bulletin board posted on private property -- it's implicitly
>> > permissible to post there. And if the clapboards are on public
>> > property, then they are certainly fair game imho.
>> >
>> > Love & Liberty,
>> > <<< starchild >>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Dear Starchild;
>> > >
>> > > Dose of reality. If the posters are put up on any City
property
>> the
>> > > organization named on the poster gets the tab for removal and
>> the
>> > > fine - no matter who put the posters up.
>> > >
>> > > For private property - guess what - the private property
owner
>> has
>> > > the same rights. You need to get approval even if going up on
>> > > construction site wall boards - especially if they have -
Post
>> No
>> > > Bills - on the wall board.
>> > >
>> > > Yeh people ignore all the time - but you go ahead and put the
>> > > posters up wherever and if the LPSF gets fined for costs of
>> removal
>> > > - then you should offciailly agree to pay the fine and costs
of
>> > > removal - fair enough???
>> > >
>> > > Ron Getty
>> > > SF Libertarian
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > From: Starchild <sfdreamer@>
>> > > To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:46:28 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [lpsf-activists] Re: Poster activism, supplies &
>> storage
>> > >
>> > > Chris,
>> > >
>> > > I was thinking primarily of places like the ugly clapboard
>> > > surrounding construction projects. People put posters up on
such
>> > > surfaces all the time. I don't know how many of them
officially
>> > > register or follow the boneheaded city regulations (which
Jeremy
>> > > posted in a separate message), but judging from the amount of
>> > > graffiti and such in the city generally, there are probably
many
>> > > who make the very libertarian assessment that these laws are
>> simply
>> > > not worth following. I doubt we would be held liable for
fines
>> or
>> > > face much in the way of public opprobrium for doing
something so
>> > > commonplace. If you think our group will be more harmed than
>> helped
>> > > by such action, then maybe we should get some Democrat and
>> > > Republican posters and put those up instead?
>> > >
>> > > Just because something has the LPSF's contact info on it does
>> not
>> > > prove that the LPSF was responsible for posting it. The party
>> does
>> > > not automatically endorse every activity or action for which
>> > > volunteers are solicited on this list. This action need not
be
>> > > official. Party representatives often have the party's name,
>> phone
>> > > number, URL, etc., attached to their name via business cards,
>> > > candidate filings, and so on. Should we start demanding they
pay
>> > > their taxes, in order to avoid public opprobrium falling on
the
>> > > party? Should we start telling our activists to wear their
>> > > seatbelts so they aren't fined? After all, sustaining fines
can
>> > > reduce the ability of our activists to contribute to the
party,
>> > > with the financial result being the same as if the party
itself
>> had
>> > > been fined directly.
>> > >
>> > > Love & Liberty,
>> > > <<< starchild >>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> > Anyone with a vehicle up for going around the city with
me and
>> > >> > getting some of the posters up in the public eye? I've got
>> spray-on
>> > >> > glue and a roller, and am back in town.
>> > >>
>> > >> I am utterly opposed to this idea. The posters have the LPSF
>> name,
>> > >> phone
>> > >> number, and URL on them; we could be liable for fines if not
>> > >> simple public
>> > >> opprobrium. As a political party, we work within the
system. An
>> > >> argument
>> > >> can certainly be made for promoting liberty outside of the
>> system,
>> > >> but
>> > >> that is not the role of the Libertarian Party.
>> > >>
>> > >> I still remember having to deal with the Democratic
operative
>> who
>> > >> wanted
>> > >> to know who was putting Gray and Badnarik stickers all over
>> their
>> > >> (private
>> > >> property) office windows. I was a bit embarrassed to explain
>> that
>> > >> that
>> > >> was completely inconsistent with Libertarian respect for
>> private
>> > >> property,
>> > >> and so couldn't have been one of us.
>> > >>
>> > >> ~Chris
>> > >> --
>> > >> Chris Maden, text nerd
>> > >> "So it goes." ~Kurt Vonnegut
>> > >> <URL: http://crism.maden.org/ >
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