Starchild,
By "society," I take it you mean benevolent Govt?
If not, what do you mean?
Best, Michael
Define "society"? This should be interesting.
On a scale larger than the Rosicrucians or Toastmasters, I
personally don't think "society" actually has a meaning.
When you see it used to refer to the broader interactions of human
beings, substitute the phrase "bunch of people who think like I do",
and the purpose for using the word becomes clear.
Regards,
Allen Rice
Starchild,
By "society," I take it you mean benevolent Govt?
If not, what do you mean?
Best, Michael
From: Starchild
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:31 PM
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: PatriarchyTo be more specific, I think society ought to actively discourage
situations like the pimp-prostitute dynamic you mention where the
prostitute is giving the pimp 100% of her earnings, even when they
do not recognizably involve initiation of force. I'm not saying this
is part of the libertarian political program, but libertarianism
doesn't offer to guarantee every desirable outcome. Even in a purely
libertarian society there would still be a need for social activism.
<<< starchild >>>
Derek,
I agree that men appear to have a stronger psychological (or
biological, if you will) will-to-power, at least in terms of power
as we are discussing it (political power and similar authority). But
just because men are on average more power-driven, it does not
necessarily follow that society ought to simply let biological
matters play themselves out in social reality by entrusting them
with more power. Indeed I think a good rule of thumb is that the
more someone wants power, the less he (or she) ought to be entrusted
with.
Yours in liberty,
<<< starchild >>>Starchild:
I think it is explained more by psychological differences by
sex. Men
mostly have a stronger psychological will-to-power, which is
independent of any political structure.Related questions: Why are pimps so easily able to control
their
prostitutes? Why are there seemingly no women pimps? (I'm
talking of
the arrangements where the prostitutes give 100 pct of their
earnings
to the pimps, not a heidi fleiss situation)
Biological diferences in the sexes must account for a large
portion of this.
> Richard,
>
> I was not assuming patriarchy only applies to the
legal system, but
> thanks for pointing out that distinction.
>
> In any society where men have authority over women
socially or in
> families as a matter of course, I would strongly question
whether that
> arrangement is truly consensual. And if it's not consensual,
then it
> amounts to rule. I doubt such a rule could be maintained
without men
> having more political power or rights, hence my question to
Derek.
>
> Yours in liberty,
> <<< starchild >>>
>
>
>
> > Starchild,
> >
> > Patriarchy does not neccesarily apply only to the
political system; it
> > also can be the social system:
> >
> > pa·tri·ar·chy <image.tiff> ( P ) Pronunciation
> > Key (p<image.tiff><image.tiff>tr<image.tiff>-
> > är<image.tiff>k<image.tiff>)
> > n. pl. pa·tri·ar·chies In both senses also called
patriarchate.
> >
> > 1. A social system in which the father is the head of
the family and
> > men have authority over women and children.
> > 2. A family, community, or society based on this
system or governed by
> > men.
> >
> > patriarchy
> >
> > n : a form of social organization in which a male is the
family head
> > and title is traced through the male line [syn:
patriarchate]
> >
> > Rich
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Starchild
> > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:20 PM
> > Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Conservatve columnists and
their notions.
> >
> > Derek,
> >
> > Assuming your marriage is a consensual arrangement, I
wouldn't call it
> > patriarchy even if you are the one making most of the
decisions.
> > Patriarchy, I believe, means *rule* by men, and *rule*
means
> > nonconsensual government. You don't think men should be
legally
> > granted more political power or rights than women, do you?
> >
> > Yours in liberty,
> > <<< starchild >>>
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh. My family runs well as a patriarchy. Just don't tell
my wife I
> > said that.
> >
> >
> >
> > It leads to a situation with a lot of unemployed
matriarchs.
> >
> > Allen Rice
> > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Derek Jensen
<derekj72@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > What's wrong with patriarchy?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >Christendom is in the early phase of counter-attack
against
> > humanism,
> > > > >culturally speaking
> > > >
> > > > Indeed it is!
> > > >
> > > > Free speech & press, freedom of religion, separation
of religion
> > from
> > > > government and all the other values that the cartoon
controversy
> > are all
> > > > about have been resisted tooth and nail by
christianity over the
> > last
> > > > several hundred years.
> > > >
> > > > That we have as much freedom as we do is in large part
due to
> > the efforts
> > > > of, yes, humanists, over the last 400 years who were
willing to
> > demand
> > > > these
> > > > freedoms in the face of overwhelming and very often
violent
> > opposition and
> > > > repression on the part of "Christendom". That they
did so even
> > without
> > > > hope
> > > > for divine reward is something that deserves our jaw-
dropped
> > respect and
> > > > admiration.
> > > >
> > > > I for one do not wish to be ruled according to
anyone's gawd-
> > given holy
> > > > book
> > > > and its self-appointed prophets.
> > > >
> > > > For example, I was at a book reading the other night
on "How the
> > > > Pro-Choice
> > > > Movement Saved America" And frankly I was shocked at
what the
> > pro-life
> > > > movement is up to. The latest technique is to
introduce laws
> > into state
> > > > legislatures to ban abortion-inducing pills and other
such
> > devices, in
> > > > anticipation of the forthcoming overturn of Roe v.
Wade. But --
> > and
> > > > here's
> > > > the kicker -- they are apparently intentionally using
the fact
> > that most
> > > > politicians are scientifically illiterate to lobby to
get the
> > bills to
> > > > prohibit "abortifacients and contraceptives" as if
they were the
> > same
> > > > thing.
> > > >
> > > > Also in the legislative pipeline: giving pharmacists
and other
> > employees
> > > > of
> > > > firms that sell contraceptives "ethical choice" to
not fill
> > prescriptions
> > > > for contraceptives, and apparently this right is being
extended
> > to whole
> > > > companies and even to cashiers etc who take
an "ethical stand."
> > Of course
> > > > the countervailing ethical choice for men and women to
prevent
> > pregnancy
> > > > apparently counts for nothing with these theocrats.
> > > >
> > > > All this is going on despite the fact that an
ovewhelming
> > majority of
> > > > Americans -- including those who oppose abortion --
want
> > contraceptives to
> > > > remain freely available. And this is all going on
despite the
> > > > demonstrated
> > > > fact that the greatest reductions in abortions have
occured in
> > states
> > > > where
> > > > contraception and sex education widely available.
> > > >
> > > > People are giving money to these pro-life
organizations thinking
> > they are
> > > > helping to reduce abortions. In fact they are funding
a stealth
> > campaign
> > > > to
> > > > reimpose patriarchy, invade our privacy, and gain
control of the
> > bodies of
> > > > both men and women according to religious dictates all
in the
> > name of
> > > > turning the clock back as far as possible to 'the good
old days
> > before
> > > > those
> > > > humanists came along and messed up America's gawdly
christian
> > heritage'
> > > >
> > > > -DG
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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