[OutrightLibertarians] Re: [lpsf-discuss] Torch parade writeup for IPR

Will do the cross-post. If it's a deal breaker within the coalition I'd
rather have the DC endpoint focused on Independence Day as the significant
event. Having the torch parade linked to a strong statement about Bradley
Manning and Pride throws a real curveball into the mainstream attempt to
characterize the Open Carry March as a bunch of "gun nuts" and they have
openly declared a peaceful intent so the interpretation by others as a
violent gesture says more about the fears of others than about those
marching. Peaceful open carry is neither a violent, nor a dangerous, act.
However, by not tying ourselves directly to that effort, we leave ourselves
open to carry that message of freedom even farther. The torch can pass all
of it and just keep going. And I think that just lends power to the
symbolism we're trying to convey.

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Mike,
The real curveball we need to throw is to the mainstream imprisonment of
a whistle-blower. We cannot afford to take that enterprise into the the
pitch-battle over gun rights.

If we do, we will loose OFA to begin with. Having done that, we might as well go home. We lack the savvy and the commitment to make a difference. We would have settled for the continued torture of Bradley Manning to take the side of another issue and make a statement about that other issue.

The statement we need to make is that we will not tolerate abuse, starting with the most extreme case of killing and imprisonment. That statement will have traction in the "Blue Ocean". (for Blue Ocean reference: www.blueoceanstrategy.com)
John
707-623-6005

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Subject: Re: [OutrightLibertarians] Re: [lpsf-discuss] Torch parade writeup for IPR

Will do the cross-post. If it's a deal breaker within the coalition I'd rather have the DC endpoint focused on Independence Day as the significant event. Having the torch parade linked to a strong statement about Bradley Manning and Pride throws a real curveball into the mainstream attempt to characterize the Open Carry March as a bunch of "gun nuts" and they have openly declared a peaceful intent so the interpretation by others as a violent gesture says more about the fears of others than about those marching. Peaceful open carry is neither a violent, nor a dangerous, act. However, by not tying ourselves directly to that effort, we leave ourselves open to carry that message of freedom even farther. The torch can pass all of it and just keep going. And I think that just lends power to the symbolism we're trying to convey.

--
The Mikester
Phoenix, AZ

"The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any."

Just an FYI: I have absolutely no association with IPR. It's disgusting. So please cross post to the Outright blog.

Angela Keaton
West Hollywood, CA
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 10:35:25 -0700
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Subject: Re: [OutrightLibertarians] Re: [lpsf-discuss] Torch parade writeup for IPR
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Thanks,
Yes, this is not about my personal viewpoints and interests, it is about Bradley Manning's freedom. There are plenty enough people in the US to secure this objective if we align them on this objective alone.

It would ONLY be when another interest can deliver this objective, that we would include it in our focus.
John

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Subject: RE: [OutrightLibertarians] Re: [lpsf-discuss] Torch parade writeup for IPR

Thanks a million to Starchild and John and Shipley for the initiative on this. I was personally pleased to see the link to Kokesh’s march, but don’t have a strong opinion at this point about political advisability. Even if his march ends badly, however (a plant in his contingent firing a shot, and people getting killed as a result), it might not hurt us to be linked to it. John’s point about our broad coalition is a good one.

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Subject: Re: [OutrightLibertarians] Re: [lpsf-discuss] Torch parade writeup for IPR

Sure, it would show the evolution of our political sophistication and determination to win liberty.

But if not published yet, make sure to mention we are aligning a broad coalition especially anti-war elements.

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Subject: Re: [OutrightLibertarians] Re: [lpsf-discuss] Torch parade writeup for IPR

Well, when we have more specific plans, I can always do a follow-up piece. If we don't at this point, perhaps better not to replace something with nothing.

Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))

Starchild,
Say anything different? I don't know.
It may not be a good idea to give people the impression we would do a DC reception with Kokesh, when we know we are planning something else.
John.

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Subject: [OutrightLibertarians] Re: [lpsf-discuss] Torch parade writeup for IPR

John,

I certainly hear what you're saying; Bradley Manning's torch ceremony in D.C. should be peaceful, and seems most important at this particular time. I agree we should make clear it's a separate event if anyone asks, but I think it doesn't hurt to mention in

libertarian circles especially that Adam's thing is happening concurrently, as I'm sure some of his marchers will probably help speak out for Manning there as well. The fact of both events happening might give some folks more impetus to show up. Also, the
more opportunities for cross-pollination among people focused on different aspects of the struggle for freedom (e.g. civil liberties supporters, gun rights activists, GLBTQ folks) the better, it seems to me. Do you think I should word anything differently
in the IPR piece? Anyone else?

Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))

> Starchild,
> Today's plans are for our own Independence Day ceremony contingent in DC, to receive the Torch. The issue of Bradley Manning's imprisonment compels singular focus and deserves the highest place on the podium in DC.
>
> As such, we will be free to assemble in the most prominent and visible locations. Association with civil disobedience would not be advantageous.
>
> Bradley Manning is in prison. When he is free, we can turn our attention to other issues and he can join us. Until then, his imprisonment is a threat to the solidarity necessary to be a free people.
>
> Zak,
> Will you forward this to Johnny and Kevin? It will take me a while to retrieve their addresses and I wanted to get this to Srarchild ASAP.
> John
>
> From: Starchild <sfdreamer@...>
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> Cc: The Mikester <mikester420@...>; Angela Keaton <angela@...>; Ernest Hancock <ernesthancock@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 4:55 AM
> Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Torch parade writeup for IPR
>
>
> I've written and published an article about our plans for a Bradley Manning virtual torch parade on Independent Political Report:
>
> http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2013/05/libertarians-organizing-virtual-national-torch-parade-for-bradley-manning/
>
> Please take a look at it ASAP and let me know if you see anything that needs correcting or additions that should be made. I would've run it by folks for input first, but since I am an editor at IPR and can make revisions, and since I'm mostly covering stuff

that has already been written up elsewhere, I decided that it would be better just to get it published sooner and give the earliest possible heads-up to (L)ibertarian activists in other parts of the country who read IPR and may wish to get involved.

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Well said, Mike. I see both sides of the issue as you do.

  If folks want to reprint my IPR article elsewhere, that's fine by me. Please send me any proposed edits, and I'll try to review them and get back to you ASAP (calling and giving me a heads-up if it's time-sensitive never hurts).

  As of yet, no one has said I should change anything in how I wrote it up.

Love & Liberty,
                                 ((( starchild )))