Outdoor meetings

Marcy,

I probably would not be able to attend an outdoor meeting. I usually
take the Golden Gate bus home to Tiburon after the meeting. There is
no GG bus stop in walking distance of most of the outdoor venues
suggested. Moreover, due to a medical condition (atopic dermatitis)
it's best for me to stay out of the sun.

In addition, the time involved with the logistics of finding a site
and having the membership debate and vote on it could much more
productively be served working for liberty.

Further, over the past few months (and years!) in my job responding to
LPSF voice mail inquiries, I've informed individuals (as does our
website) we regularly meet the second Sat. of the month at Round Table
Pizza. A change in venue could exclude some of these people along
with those who sporadically attend.

I would think these outdoor meetings would result in significantly
reduced attendance among our activists, also.

I'm not clear on the purpose of outdoor meetings. If it is to get a sun tan, I believe the best hours are between 10A and 400P.

Best, Michael

Michael,

  I wasn't aware that you have a medical aversion to sunlight. Is this
why I haven't received an invitation to a 4th of July hike and picnic
on the beach in the last couple years? You and Janice used to host such
outings on an annual basis.

  It shouldn't be too hard to find an outdoor meeting area that has
shade available, and that is certainly a reasonable criterion for
choosing a site. Looking at the Golden Gate Transit map, I notice that
the #10 bus which goes down Geary Blvd. also goes by Yerba Buena
Gardens downtown (between 3rd and 4th and Mission and Howard streets),
which I think could be an excellent place to meet. It has a good mix of
sun and shade and not only is it conveniently located to most
transportation, but the adjacent Metreon has restroom facilities and a
variety of restaurants to which we could retreat in the unlikely event
of rain. One potential downside is the possibility of entertainment
events taking place there, but the area is big enough that I think even
if something were happening onstage, we could find a place to meet
comfortably toward the opposite end.

  Alternately, if we chose a site in Golden Gate Park or elsewhere, you
might be able to arrange a ride at least over to Geary to catch the
bus. I've been carpooling with Bryce to our regular meetings for some
time because it's not that convenient for me to arrive by public
transit.

  As to the purpose of meeting outdoors, what can I say? Try walking
through a park on a nice summer day and asking a few people why they
are outside instead of cooped up in a windowless room somewhere, and
maybe you will gain some insight. Eric Brenner has told me before that
he would be more likely to come to outdoor meetings, and other people
have expressed a desire for such meetings in the past. I imagine that a
lot of potential meeting attendees might feel the same.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

Marcy,

I probably would not be able to attend an outdoor meeting. I usually
take the Golden Gate bus home to Tiburon after the meeting. There is
no GG bus stop in walking distance of most of the outdoor venues
suggested. Moreover, due to a medical condition (atopic dermatitis)
it's best for me to stay out of the sun.

In addition, the time involved with the logistics of finding a site
and having the membership debate and vote on it could much more
productively be served working for liberty.

Further, over the past few months (and years!) in my job responding to
LPSF voice mail inquiries, I've informed individuals (as does our
website) we regularly meet the second Sat. of the month at Round Table
Pizza. A change in venue could exclude some of these people along
with those who sporadically attend.

I would think these outdoor meetings would result in significantly
reduced attendance among our activists, also.

I'm not clear on the purpose of outdoor meetings. If it is to get a
sun tan, I believe the best hours are between 10A and 400P.

Best, Michael

From: "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@hotmail.com>
To: <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 11:17 PM
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Outdoor meetings

If we order from Roundtable in order to appease them, and we make
every effort to give notice of meeting change, and we are OK with
not
making reservations, I am 100% in favor of trying an outdoor meeing.
I would suggest hearing from some members, just in case there is a
downside we have not thought of. Anybody for bringing an LPSF sign?
No harm generating some publicity in the process.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:

Marcy,

Ordering pizza from Round Table is a great suggestion! I

can't imagine

they'd penalize us in terms of having the room on other months

under

such an arrangement. Now that we have a newsletter again, we can
readily notify members about any change of meeting venue, and of

course

post something on the website. We could also make a sign to post at

the

restaurant during the appointed hours, if Round Table was OK with

that.

I don't think the authorities demand a permit just to have a

picnic in

the park, only if you want to reserve specific tables at specific
times. My preference would be that we simply pick a meeting point

in

the general vicinity of our planned picnic area and then once

arrived,

find a nice free spot on the grass. Our business doesn't really

require

sitting around a table or tables, and it looks like reserving a

site in

Golden Gate Park would cost us at least $50 per meeting (see
http://www.gearjammin.com/twisty/ggp_permit.html ). If not giving

the

government any more of our money was the prior argument against
reserving a park site, I certainly understand the sentiment.

Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>

Wow! That's an idea! But, the downsides need to be worked out.

Do we

lose our Round Table privileges if we do not show up? How can we
adequately advise people we will not be at the Round Table, as we

have

said we would be? I remember some in our group were dead set

against

making reservations for a space in the park; I would not be in

favor

of a park meeting without proper reservations if they are

necessary.

I'll bring Triscuits and brie. Or we can order pizza from the

Round

Table if that will appease them.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>

wrote:

In the past we have sometimes discussed the idea of holding

our

meetings outdoors during the warm summer months. I propose that

we

start an annual tradition of having a potluck meeting outdoors

for

our

August and September meetings (the months which are usually

warmest

in

SF).

Somewhere in Golden Gate Park would be one obvious

possibility. Or we

could choose a park located in a different part of the city,

such as

Dolores Park, South Park, Alamo Square, Buena Vista Park, etc.,

for

those who are inconvenienced by having to go way out in the

Richmond

district the rest of the year. Thoughts? Anyone have any

suggestions

for a potential site?

Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>

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Michael,

  I wasn't aware that you have a medical aversion to sunlight. Is this why I haven't received an invitation to a 4th of July hike and picnic on the beach in the last couple years? You and Janice used to host such outings on an annual basis.

  It shouldn't be too hard to find an outdoor meeting area that has shade available, and that is certainly a reasonable criterion for choosing a site. Looking at the Golden Gate Transit map, I notice that the #10 bus which goes down Geary Blvd. also goes by Yerba Buena Gardens downtown (between 3rd and 4th and Mission and Howard streets), which I think could be an excellent place to meet. It has a good mix of sun and shade and not only is it conveniently located to most transportation, but the adjacent Metreon has restroom facilities and a variety of restaurants to which we could retreat in the unlikely event of rain. One potential downside is the possibility of entertainment events taking place there, but the area is big enough that I think even if something were happening onstage, we could find a place to meet comfortably toward the opposite end.

  Alternately, if we chose a site in Golden Gate Park or elsewhere, you might be able to arrange a ride at least over to Geary to catch the bus. I've been carpooling with Bryce to our regular meetings for some time because it's not that convenient for me to arrive by public transit.

  As to the purpose of meeting outdoors, what can I say? Try walking through a park on a nice summer day and asking a few people why they are outside instead of cooped up in a windowless room somewhere, and maybe you will gain some insight. Eric Brenner has told me before that he would be more likely to come to outdoor meetings, and other people have expressed a desire for such meetings in the past. I imagine that a lot of potential meeting attendees might feel the same.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

Hi Michael,

Although I am willing to accommodate those who would like an outdoor
meeting, I did suggest we hear from more people, just in case there
were downsides. So far, we have "votes" from you, Starchild, and
me. I would suggest a lot more votes before changes in our meeting
routine are instituted.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Michael R. Edelstein"
<dredelstein@t...> wrote:

Marcy,

I probably would not be able to attend an outdoor meeting. I usually
take the Golden Gate bus home to Tiburon after the meeting. There is
no GG bus stop in walking distance of most of the outdoor venues
suggested. Moreover, due to a medical condition (atopic dermatitis)
it's best for me to stay out of the sun.

In addition, the time involved with the logistics of finding a site
and having the membership debate and vote on it could much more
productively be served working for liberty.

Further, over the past few months (and years!) in my job responding

to

LPSF voice mail inquiries, I've informed individuals (as does our
website) we regularly meet the second Sat. of the month at Round

Table

Pizza. A change in venue could exclude some of these people along
with those who sporadically attend.

I would think these outdoor meetings would result in significantly
reduced attendance among our activists, also.

I'm not clear on the purpose of outdoor meetings. If it is to get a
sun tan, I believe the best hours are between 10A and 400P.

Best, Michael

From: "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...>
To: <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 11:17 PM
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Outdoor meetings

> If we order from Roundtable in order to appease them, and we make
> every effort to give notice of meeting change, and we are OK with
> not
> making reservations, I am 100% in favor of trying an outdoor

meeing.

> I would suggest hearing from some members, just in case there is a
> downside we have not thought of. Anybody for bringing an LPSF

sign?

> No harm generating some publicity in the process.
>
> Marcy
>
>
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
> wrote:
>> Marcy,
>>
>> Ordering pizza from Round Table is a great suggestion! I
> can't imagine
>> they'd penalize us in terms of having the room on other months
> under
>> such an arrangement. Now that we have a newsletter again, we can
>> readily notify members about any change of meeting venue, and of
> course
>> post something on the website. We could also make a sign to post

at

> the
>> restaurant during the appointed hours, if Round Table was OK with
> that.
>>
>> I don't think the authorities demand a permit just to have a
> picnic in
>> the park, only if you want to reserve specific tables at specific
>> times. My preference would be that we simply pick a meeting point
> in
>> the general vicinity of our planned picnic area and then once
> arrived,
>> find a nice free spot on the grass. Our business doesn't really
> require
>> sitting around a table or tables, and it looks like reserving a
> site in
>> Golden Gate Park would cost us at least $50 per meeting (see
>> http://www.gearjammin.com/twisty/ggp_permit.html ). If not giving
> the
>> government any more of our money was the prior argument against
>> reserving a park site, I certainly understand the sentiment.
>>
>> Yours in liberty,
>> <<< Starchild >>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Wow! That's an idea! But, the downsides need to be worked out.
> Do we
>> > lose our Round Table privileges if we do not show up? How can

we

>> > adequately advise people we will not be at the Round Table, as

we

> have
>> > said we would be? I remember some in our group were dead set
> against
>> > making reservations for a space in the park; I would not be in
> favor
>> > of a park meeting without proper reservations if they are
> necessary.
>> >
>> > I'll bring Triscuits and brie. Or we can order pizza from the
> Round
>> > Table if that will appease them.
>> >
>> > Marcy
>>
>>
>> > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
> wrote:
>> >> In the past we have sometimes discussed the idea of holding
>> > our
>> >> meetings outdoors during the warm summer months. I propose

that

> we
>> >> start an annual tradition of having a potluck meeting outdoors
> for
>> > our
>> >> August and September meetings (the months which are usually
> warmest
>> > in
>> >> SF).
>> >>
>> >> Somewhere in Golden Gate Park would be one obvious
>> > possibility. Or we
>> >> could choose a park located in a different part of the city,
> such as
>> >> Dolores Park, South Park, Alamo Square, Buena Vista Park,

etc.,