That narrative takes us out of the driver's seat and takes the focus off the fire-starting. If we were the media, it would be a useful narrative to alter our behavior if we wanted something else.
But we are not the media. The narrative serves us no purpose except to point out the media is not giving us the welfare we want. But they are in the business to make money...they don't owe us squat.
Meanwhile the police state is exercising its grip and we do nothing about it except complain about how the media reports it.
If we were doing something about it, the media would have something else to report. But for the most part no one even knows what that means after living their lives in a government monopoly of power.
The formation of a competative social enterprise to do something about the police state is as essoteric as Einstein's relativity, but completely real. The Founders did it and made it easy for us to do it again, if we would just"do the math".
I think reporting on what the media is doing is a useful exercise. Taking an article apart and analyzing it critically sends the message to those who read the criticism that they shouldn't believe everything the media feeds them and teaches readers, bit by bit, to think for themselves. It is important work.
This seems right. “reporting on what media is doing is a useful exercise”. If we can generate some consistent reporting, we might be able to bring people into our sphere or be invited into theirs. Personally, I like to write. With some guidance and support we might be able to produce something of meaning on a schedule. There are others who listen and like to comment on what’s going on who might appreciate a forum.
You’ve already sent Daily Bell articles to the list about the media and their memes. They are our pals.
Any ideas on how we might do this Nina? You seem so full of good ideas.
I am time-challenged and, besides, a lot of other people are already doing this, and doing it very well, with public comment sections and everything. So, for me, the best I can manage is to try to spread what they are doing around and send a donation to my favorite sites once in a while. These include:
So, my best recommendation is for everyone to subscribe to the feeds from the sites, forward articles to friends and relatives when they are particularly relevant to them, and donate to these sites. These little things WILL make a difference in consciousness. That is what these sites are all about, their reasons for being. Let's help them do what they are doing.
Nina
"We should distinguish at this point between 'government' and 'state' ... A government is the consensual organization by which we adjudicate disputes, defend our rights, and provide for certain common needs ... A state on the other hand, is a coercive organization asserting or enjoying a monopoly over the use of physical force in some geographic area and exercising power over its subjects." - David Boaz
Thanks Nina…understood. My intention was to work on content relating to local issues. These excellent sites below are national/international in scope.
To be honest, I couldn’t believe I suggested it as I’m time-challenged too…but I do think we need to generate local materials in support of what John is trying to achieve in collaboration. We need a storyteller.
Mike,
I had a good chat with Malcolm. Maybe he can be our storyteller when we decide what the story is about.
I'm planning to put Eric Garris in touch with Charlie, to coordinate the various web stuff of Marin LP, anti-war.com and LewRockwell. (I may have done it already, I need to check)
We have a booth at the New Living Expo this weekend. It's a collaboration between Seasteading and GGLR. It would be good to bring SFL and the LP in, as well, if we can align the agenda.
John
________________________________
From: "mike@..." <mike@...>
To: "lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com" <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:59 AM
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Oh, Please
Thanks Nina…understood. My intention was to work on content relating to local issues. These excellent sites below are national/international in scope.
To be honest, I couldn’t believe I suggested it as I’m time-challenged too…but I do think we need to generate local materials in support of what John is trying to achieve in collaboration. We need a storyteller.
Mike
From:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nina Ortega
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:13 AM
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Oh, Please
Mike,
I am time-challenged and, besides, a lot of other people are already doing this, and doing it very well, with public comment sections and everything. So, for me, the best I can manage is to try to spread what they are doing around and send a donation to my favorite sites once in a while. These include:
So, my best recommendation is for everyone to subscribe to the feeds from the sites, forward articles to friends and relatives when they are particularly relevant to them, and donate to these sites. These little things WILL make a difference in consciousness. That is what these sites are all about, their reasons for being. Let's help them do what they are doing.
Nina
"We should distinguish at this point between 'government' and 'state' ... A government is the consensual organization by which we adjudicate disputes, defend our rights, and provide for certain common needs ... A state on the other hand, is a coercive organization asserting or enjoying a monopoly over the use of physical force in some geographic area and exercising power over its subjects." - David Boaz
From: mike@... <mike@...>
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Oh, Please
To: "lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com" <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 8:20 PM
Nina,
This seems right. “reporting on what media is doing is a useful exercise”. If we can generate some consistent reporting, we might be able to bring people into our sphere or be invited into theirs. Personally, I like to write. With some guidance and support we might be able to produce something of meaning on a schedule. There are others who listen and like to comment on what’s going on who might appreciate a forum.
You’ve already sent Daily Bell articles to the list about the media and their memes. They are our pals.
Any ideas on how we might do this Nina? You seem so full of good ideas.
Anyone else in on this? John?
Mike
From:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nina Ortega
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:45 PM
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Oh, Please
I think reporting on what the media is doing is a useful exercise. Taking an article apart and analyzing it critically sends the message to those who read the criticism that they shouldn't believe everything the media feeds them and teaches readers, bit by bit, to think for themselves. It is important work.
Nina
From: John Bechtol <javlin@...>
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Oh, Please
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 6:16 PM
That narrative takes us out of the driver's seat and takes the focus off the fire-starting. If we were the media, it would be a useful narrative to alter our behavior if we wanted something else.
But we are not the media. The narrative serves us no purpose except to point out the media is not giving us the welfare we want. But they are in the business to make money...they don't owe us squat.
Meanwhile the police state is exercising its grip and we do nothing about it except complain about how the media reports it.
If we were doing something about it, the media would have something else to report. But for the most part no one even knows what that means after living their lives in a government monopoly of power.
The formation of a competative social enterprise to do something about the police state is as essoteric as Einstein's relativity, but completely real. The Founders did it and made it easy for us to do it again, if we would just"do the math".
------------------------------
Hi John,
In my view, the media is doing much more mischief than merely "reporting the conditions." They're creating bogeymen, fanning the flames, and reminding the sheeple to maintain a state of frenzy.
Warm regards, Michael
In the absence of competative formations, the police-state is asserting its grip. The media is only reporting the conditions.
------------------------------
Oh, Please
Posted by Becky Akers on April 16, 2013 12:10 PM
Every time the Feds mount another false-flag operation-sorry, every time another tragedy like the Boston Marathon Massacre hits, the corporate media solemnly assures us that mayhem and murder are "the price we pay to live in a free society." Balderdash.
Mayhem and murder are the State's hallmarks; the freer a society is, the less of both there will be. Imagine America without her ruling socipaths: no wars overseas or at home; incredibly little poverty absent the Fed's inflation, professional licensing to
create unemployment, and taxation; virtually no crime since the well-regulated militia would defend itself from all criminals, free-lance or official.
Meanwhile, the latest of the media's morons to blame Boston's horror on liberty rather than Leviathan is Tom "The Babbler" Brokaw. First, The Babbler calls the police-state currently tyrannizing Americans an "open society." If warrantless wiretapping, waterboarding
and other torture, NDAA, gate-rape, secret No-Fly Lists, and the NSA are The Babbler's idea of "openness," well, spare me from what he considers tyranny (actually, we all know how he defines "tyranny": these same evils when practiced by other countries' politicians
and bureaucrats on their hapless serfs -- usually financed with Uncle Sam's "foreign aid").
Mike,
Maybe I should have integrated this correspondence, concerning the Oyster Farm, into the previous post but I didn't. These gaps could be closed by out "storyteller". Because it doesn't fall into the usual political landscape, its hard to see what it is, unless you already know what yer looking for.
It is especially interesting that the Contra Coasta times has taken a positive interest in what we're up to.
"Charlie and Dr. Goodman,
Another asset that fell into the Hands of the Park Service, now being demolished:
Robert Rogers, a reporter for the Contra Costa Times, has been following this
debacle, and is very interested in the issue of Drake's Bay coming under the authority of the Park Service, and the relationship of the issue to Seasteading.
Also the operators of the concessions at Ft Baker, including the Air Force,
have, grumbled to me about Park Service administration of the Hotel and
the marina. This is not to mention the well known troubles at Yosemite.
As we move to align the various political and media interests, we need to
know if DBOF is on board with us, especially as we take a stand against
the Sierra Club. Otherwise it might be more favorable to develop a new partner in the sustainable
stewardship of public resources.
The real issue is whether the Park Service will be managing the resource
and whether the management conforms to reason, sensibility, science and
public interest.
The Duffy Electric Boat company has an interest is this development, as well as the Sierra Club. One of the issues at Drake's
Bay, was motorboats, making noise. If these boats had been electric,
this would be a non-issue. Now their use could be a specification in
the development of private-enterprise stewardship, the Sierra Club would support. I will begin a conversation with them to explore the
possibilities. It would be nice to know who we're working with before
the Expo.
John"
From: John Bechtol <javlin@...>
To: "lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com" <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Oh, Please
Mike,
I had a good chat with Malcolm. Maybe he can be our storyteller when we decide what the story is about.
I'm planning to put Eric Garris in touch with Charlie, to coordinate the various web stuff of Marin LP, anti-war.com and LewRockwell. (I may have done it already, I need to check)
We have a booth at the New Living Expo this weekend. It's a collaboration between Seasteading and GGLR. It would be good to bring SFL and the LP in, as well, if we can align the agenda.
John
________________________________
From: "mike@..." <mike@...>
To: "lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com" <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:59 AM
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Oh, Please
Thanks Nina…understood. My intention was to work on content relating to local issues. These excellent sites below are national/international in scope.
To be honest, I couldn’t believe I suggested it as I’m time-challenged too…but I do think we need to generate local materials in support of what John is trying to achieve in collaboration. We need a storyteller.
Mike
From:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-discuss@…m] On Behalf Of Nina Ortega
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:13 AM
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Oh, Please
Mike,
I am time-challenged and, besides, a lot of other people are already doing this, and doing it very well, with public comment sections and everything. So, for me, the best I can manage is to try to spread what they are doing around and send a donation to my favorite sites once in a while. These include:
So, my best recommendation is for everyone to subscribe to the feeds from the sites, forward articles to friends and relatives when they are particularly relevant to them, and donate to these sites. These little things WILL make a difference in consciousness. That is what these sites are all about, their reasons for being. Let's help them do what they are doing.
Nina
"We should distinguish at this point between 'government' and 'state' ... A government is the consensual organization by which we adjudicate disputes, defend our rights, and provide for certain common needs ... A state on the other hand, is a coercive organization asserting or enjoying a monopoly over the use of physical force in some geographic area and exercising power over its subjects." - David Boaz
From: mike@... <mike@...>
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Oh, Please
To: "lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com" <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 8:20 PM
Nina,
This seems right. “reporting on what media is doing is a useful exercise”. If we can generate some consistent reporting, we might be able to bring people into our sphere or be invited into theirs. Personally, I like to write. With some guidance and support we might be able to produce something of meaning on a schedule. There are others who listen and like to comment on what’s going on who might appreciate a forum.
You’ve already sent Daily Bell articles to the list about the media and their memes. They are our pals.
Any ideas on how we might do this Nina? You seem so full of good ideas.
Anyone else in on this? John?
Mike
From:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nina Ortega
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:45 PM
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Oh, Please
I think reporting on what the media is doing is a useful exercise. Taking an article apart and analyzing it critically sends the message to those who read the criticism that they shouldn't believe everything the media feeds them and teaches readers, bit by bit, to think for themselves. It is important work.
Nina
From: John Bechtol <javlin@...>
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Oh, Please
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 6:16 PM
That narrative takes us out of the driver's seat and takes the focus off the fire-starting. If we were the media, it would be a useful narrative to alter our behavior if we wanted something else.
But we are not the media. The narrative serves us no purpose except to point out the media is not giving us the welfare we want. But they are in the business to make money...they don't owe us squat.
Meanwhile the police state is exercising its grip and we do nothing about it except complain about how the media reports it.
If we were doing something about it, the media would have something else to report. But for the most part no one even knows what that means after living their lives in a government monopoly of power.
The formation of a competative social enterprise to do something about the police state is as essoteric as Einstein's relativity, but completely real. The Founders did it and made it easy for us to do it again, if we would just"do the math".
------------------------------
Hi John,
In my view, the media is doing much more mischief than merely "reporting the conditions." They're creating bogeymen, fanning the flames, and reminding the sheeple to maintain a state of frenzy.
Warm regards, Michael
In the absence of competative formations, the police-state is asserting its grip. The media is only reporting the conditions.
------------------------------
Oh, Please
Posted by Becky Akers on April 16, 2013 12:10 PM
Every time the Feds mount another false-flag operation-sorry, every time another tragedy like the Boston Marathon Massacre hits, the corporate media solemnly assures us that mayhem and murder are "the price we pay to live in a free society." Balderdash.
Mayhem and murder are the State's hallmarks; the freer a society is, the less of both there will be. Imagine America without her ruling socipaths: no wars overseas or at home; incredibly little poverty absent the Fed's inflation, professional licensing to
create unemployment, and taxation; virtually no crime since the well-regulated militia would defend itself from all criminals, free-lance or official.
Meanwhile, the latest of the media's morons to blame Boston's horror on liberty rather than Leviathan is Tom "The Babbler" Brokaw. First, The Babbler calls the police-state currently tyrannizing Americans an "open society." If warrantless wiretapping, waterboarding
and other torture, NDAA, gate-rape, secret No-Fly Lists, and the NSA are The Babbler's idea of "openness," well, spare me from what he considers tyranny (actually, we all know how he defines "tyranny": these same evils when practiced by other countries' politicians
and bureaucrats on their hapless serfs -- usually financed with Uncle Sam's "foreign aid").
Regarding New Living Expo, some of us have already donated hard cash to Golden Gate Liberty Meetup to help with the substantial booth fee; and I know that Aubrey has additionally volunteered to help at the booth.
Just a couple minor suggestions for a venue for the local stories: The LPSF Facebook Page and/or the LPSF website. Right now, no one but me is posting (once in a while) on the Facebook page; it would be great to have some stories posted there. The LPSF website used to have a blog for local issues, but was discontinued for lack of content.
As you indicate, the real problem is one of time. The venues are not hard to devise; but good content is difficult to obtain. If anyone comes up with a good, fact based story on a local issue and would like to try to show it off on the LPSF website, please let me know. If anyone has a good story that would like to post on LPSF Facebook, join the page and go for it.
Thanks Marcy….there are many venues. The issue is content that is going to be collaborative rather than divisive. So probably not overtly political but focusing more on specific issues our affiliate groups can support.
"We should distinguish at this point between 'government' and 'state' ... A government is the consensual organization by which we adjudicate disputes, defend our rights, and provide for certain common needs ... A state on the other hand, is a coercive organization asserting or enjoying a monopoly over the use of physical force in some geographic area and exercising power over its subjects." - David Boaz