Oakland To Fire 11 Narc Cops Who Lied To Get Warrants

Discussion
1

Dear All;

Isn't this a great country or what? No mention
yet of how many dozen of cases will have to
get tossed and convictions overturned.
The problem is not just Oakland or SF or LA
or statewide or national.

The Drug Wars so warps the fabric of our
country with police officers like these and
a whole passel of others just like these cops
across the country really striking a blow to
protect our citizens.

Unfortunately, who's gonna protect us from the cops.

Billions in tax money wasted ever since Nixon
created the DEA and the drug trade just gets
bigger and better and stronger and the cops
get more crooked twisted and perverted.

Not to mention all the property illegally seized
and the people murdered by cops because
of illegal warrants.

Bet the war in Afghanistan would collapse if all the
War on Drugs was repealed as well as the war on the
Golden Triangle war-lords of Burma Laos
Cambodia and all the battles with those
Colombian war-lords as well.

Sheer gross stupidity and sheer gross waste of
taxpayers dollars.

Billions wasted zero returns.

Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
Hostis res Publica
Morte ai Tiranni
Dum Spiro, Pugno

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/15/BAVV15BGOJ.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea

http://snipurl.com/a5kho [www_sfgate_com]

Oakland to fire 11 cops for allegedly lying to get search warrants

(01-15) 19:33 PST OAKLAND -- The city of
Oakland intends to fire 11 police officers for
allegedly lying to obtain search warrants in
drug cases, officials said Thursday.

The two sergeants and nine officers face
dismissal in a scandal that has thrown into
jeopardy the prosecutions of dozens of
suspects. At least nine have already had
their cases dismissed because warrants
that police used to obtain evidence were
obtained on the basis of lies by officers,
according to attorneys involved in the cases.

The officers told judges that substances seized
from drug suspects had been positively identified
by the Oakland police crime lab as narcotics
when, in fact, they had not, authorities said.
Those false statements were used to persuade
judges to issue warrants that police relied on
to gather more evidence.

The full article here:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/15/BAVV15BGOJ.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea

http://snipurl.com/a5kho [www_sfgate_com]

2

I think this actually a positive sign; that is that the City of
Oakland took action against the pigs and also that they're charging
the badge-wearing assassin who gunned down the guy in the subway with
murder. Following these issues over the last few months, there seems
to be a growing groundswell of opposition to the out-of-control 'law
enforcement' situation. It's been speculated too that Obama's decision
to close down Guantanamo may be the beginning of a general overhaul.

Dear All;

Isn't this a great country or what? No mention
yet of how many dozen of cases will have to
get tossed and convictions overturned.
The problem is not just Oakland or SF or LA
or statewide or national.

The Drug Wars so warps the fabric of our
country with police officers like these and
a whole passel of others just like these cops
across the country really striking a blow to
protect our citizens.

Unfortunately, who's gonna protect us from the cops.

Billions in tax money wasted ever since Nixon
created the DEA and the drug trade just gets
bigger and better and stronger and the cops
get more crooked twisted and perverted.

Not to mention all the property illegally seized
and the people murdered by cops because
of illegal warrants.

Bet the war in Afghanistan would collapse if all the
War on Drugs was repealed as well as the war on the
Golden Triangle war-lords of Burma Laos
Cambodia and all the battles with those
Colombian war-lords as well.

Sheer gross stupidity and sheer gross waste of
taxpayers dollars.

Billions wasted zero returns.

Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
Hostis res Publica
Morte ai Tiranni
Dum Spiro, Pugno

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/15/BAVV15BGOJ.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea

http://snipurl.com/a5kho [www_sfgate_com]

Oakland to fire 11 cops for allegedly lying to get search warrants

(01-15) 19:33 PST OAKLAND -- The city of
Oakland intends to fire 11 police officers for
allegedly lying to obtain search warrants in
drug cases, officials said Thursday.

The two sergeants and nine officers face
dismissal in a scandal that has thrown into
jeopardy the prosecutions of dozens of
suspects. At least nine have already had
their cases dismissed because warrants
that police used to obtain evidence were
obtained on the basis of lies by officers,
according to attorneys involved in the cases.

The officers told judges that substances seized
from drug suspects had been positively identified
by the Oakland police crime lab as narcotics
when, in fact, they had not, authorities said.
Those false statements were used to persuade
judges to issue warrants that police relied on
to gather more evidence.

The full article here:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/15/BAVV15BGOJ.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea

3

Eric,

I hope you need a pig someday.......you're an ass.

G

4

I agree it's a positive sign, but I think it's going to take sustained outrage and pressure to get the institutional changes that matter. Arresting a few bad pig cops, or even closing one notorious facility (Guantanamo), only goes so far. What's needed to make a lasting reduction in police/law enforcement/military/intelligence agency brutality is transparency, independent oversight with teeth, and appropriate training.

Love & Liberty,
        ((( starchild )))

5

Our system of justice grants an incredible amount of raw power to
police officers (as a rather trivial example, try arguing with a cop
in traffic court and see who the judge believes. I've never been to
traffic court myself but have seen this happen to friends whose
truthfulness is beyond reproach to me).

This is precisely the reason why, when some policemen or policewomen
are shown to have clearly abused that power, whether it is brutality,
homicide, bribe-taking, lying on police reports, we must as a society
come down very hard, with prison time as the preferred punishment.
Cops must understand that with an extraordinary amount of naked power
comes an extraordinary amount of responsibility - and repurcussions
if that power is abused.

-Derek

  I agree it's a positive sign, but I think it's going to take
sustained outrage and pressure to get the institutional changes

that

matter. Arresting a few bad pig cops, or even closing one

notorious

facility (Guantanamo), only goes so far. What's needed to make a
lasting reduction in police/law enforcement/military/intelligence
agency brutality is transparency, independent oversight with

teeth,

and appropriate training.

Love & Liberty,
        ((( starchild )))

> I think this actually a positive sign; that is that the City of
> Oakland took action against the pigs and also that they're

charging

> the badge-wearing assassin who gunned down the guy in the subway

with

> murder. Following these issues over the last few months, there

seems

> to be a growing groundswell of opposition to the out-of-

control 'law

> enforcement' situation. It's been speculated too that Obama's

decision

> to close down Guantanamo may be the beginning of a general

overhaul.

>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty <tradergroupe@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear All;
> >
> > Isn't this a great country or what? No mention
> > yet of how many dozen of cases will have to
> > get tossed and convictions overturned.
> > The problem is not just Oakland or SF or LA
> > or statewide or national.
> >
> > The Drug Wars so warps the fabric of our
> > country with police officers like these and
> > a whole passel of others just like these cops
> > across the country really striking a blow to
> > protect our citizens.
> >
> > Unfortunately, who's gonna protect us from the cops.
> >
> > Billions in tax money wasted ever since Nixon
> > created the DEA and the drug trade just gets
> > bigger and better and stronger and the cops
> > get more crooked twisted and perverted.
> >
> > Not to mention all the property illegally seized
> > and the people murdered by cops because
> > of illegal warrants.
> >
> > Bet the war in Afghanistan would collapse if all the
> > War on Drugs was repealed as well as the war on the
> > Golden Triangle war-lords of Burma Laos
> > Cambodia and all the battles with those
> > Colombian war-lords as well.
> >
> > Sheer gross stupidity and sheer gross waste of
> > taxpayers dollars.
> >
> > Billions wasted zero returns.
> >
> > Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
> > Hostis res Publica
> > Morte ai Tiranni
> > Dum Spiro, Pugno
> >
> >
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/15/
> BAVV15BGOJ.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea
> >
> > http://snipurl.com/a5kho [www_sfgate_com]
> >
> > Oakland to fire 11 cops for allegedly lying to get search

warrants

6

Glen...just letting you know (if no one else has) that name calling is
not tolerated on this list. Despite the amazing variety of opinions
shared in this forum, I am very proud this group remains cordial. And if
I can speak for the others, we'd like to keep it that way. We have had
situations in the past where those who could not maintain that standard
were asked to leave.

We welcome your political opinions...but please be civil as we are
allies here. And we want to be nice to our friends.

Best regards,

Mike

7

I agree. Should we consider both Glenn's use of "ass" and Eric's use of "pigs" as name calling? Or does name calling only count if it's against another member of the list?

8

Good questions Steve...personally I'd like respect across the board but
I'd say that's a personal decision. How members treat each other on this
list is the critical factor.

Mike

On Behalf Of Steve Dekorte

9

I agree with Mike D. and Steve. As a group, we prefer courteous
discussion.

Marcy

Eric,

I hope you need a pig someday.......you're an ass.

G

> I think this actually a positive sign; that is that the City of
> Oakland took action against the pigs and also that they're charging
> the badge-wearing assassin who gunned down the guy in the subway with
> murder. Following these issues over the last few months, there seems
> to be a growing groundswell of opposition to the out-of-control 'law
> enforcement' situation. It's been speculated too that Obama's decision
> to close down Guantanamo may be the beginning of a general overhaul.
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com

<lpsf-discuss%40yahoogroups.com>, Ron

> Getty <tradergroupe@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear All;
> >
> > Isn't this a great country or what? No mention
> > yet of how many dozen of cases will have to
> > get tossed and convictions overturned.
> > The problem is not just Oakland or SF or LA
> > or statewide or national.
> >
> > The Drug Wars so warps the fabric of our
> > country with police officers like these and
> > a whole passel of others just like these cops
> > across the country really striking a blow to
> > protect our citizens.
> >
> > Unfortunately, who's gonna protect us from the cops.
> >
> > Billions in tax money wasted ever since Nixon
> > created the DEA and the drug trade just gets
> > bigger and better and stronger and the cops
> > get more crooked twisted and perverted.
> >
> > Not to mention all the property illegally seized
> > and the people murdered by cops because
> > of illegal warrants.
> >
> > Bet the war in Afghanistan would collapse if all the
> > War on Drugs was repealed as well as the war on the
> > Golden Triangle war-lords of Burma Laos
> > Cambodia and all the battles with those
> > Colombian war-lords as well.
> >
> > Sheer gross stupidity and sheer gross waste of
> > taxpayers dollars.
> >
> > Billions wasted zero returns.
> >
> > Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
> > Hostis res Publica
> > Morte ai Tiranni
> > Dum Spiro, Pugno
> >
> >
>
>

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/15/BAVV15BGOJ.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea

> >
> > http://snipurl.com/a5kho [www_sfgate_com]
> >
> > Oakland to fire 11 cops for allegedly lying to get search warrants
> >
> > (01-15) 19:33 PST OAKLAND -- The city of
> > Oakland intends to fire 11 police officers for
> > allegedly lying to obtain search warrants in
> > drug cases, officials said Thursday.
> >
> > The two sergeants and nine officers face
> > dismissal in a scandal that has thrown into
> > jeopardy the prosecutions of dozens of
> > suspects. At least nine have already had
> > their cases dismissed because warrants
> > that police used to obtain evidence were
> > obtained on the basis of lies by officers,
> > according to attorneys involved in the cases.
> >
> > The officers told judges that substances seized
> > from drug suspects had been positively identified
> > by the Oakland police crime lab as narcotics
> > when, in fact, they had not, authorities said.
> > Those false statements were used to persuade
> > judges to issue warrants that police relied on
> > to gather more evidence.
> >
> > The full article here:
> >
> >
>
>

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/15/BAVV15BGOJ.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea

10

I think that this discussion should remain civil.

Perhaps I should have said in a more collegial fashion that someone was
making an ass of themselves......

I ask in all seriousness............What libertarian would describe all
members of law enforcement as "pigs"...?

Rational discussion of the topic went out the window that remark.....

I have known several "pigs" in my life, a couple of whom were also
Libertarian, and who also took a dim view of drug laws.

11

Thank you, Glenn. Here is my personal opinion on two interesting
points you raise: 1) Rational discussion should always prevail;
rather than allowing ourselves to be sucked into the vortex of
someone's irrationality. 2) In answer to your question,
huuuuummmmm....I can think of a few!! (not including me, BTW); but
they are free to think as they wish, as long as their words or actions
do not cause unhealthy dissent or other harm.

Regards,

Marcy

I think that this discussion should remain civil.

Perhaps I should have said in a more collegial fashion that someone was
making an ass of themselves......

I ask in all seriousness............What libertarian would describe all
members of law enforcement as "pigs"...?

Rational discussion of the topic went out the window that remark.....

I have known several "pigs" in my life, a couple of whom were also
Libertarian, and who also took a dim view of drug laws.

> Good questions Steve...personally I'd like respect across the

board but

> I'd say that's a personal decision. How members treat each other

on this

> list is the critical factor.
>
> Mike
>
>
> From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com

<lpsf-discuss%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:

> lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Steve Dekorte
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:43 PM
> To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Oakland To Fire 11 Narc Cops Who

Lied To

> Get Warrants
>
> > Glen...just letting you know (if no one else has) that name

calling is

12

He's probably a Palin supporter. At least he sounds about as
intelligent as one.

Glen...just letting you know (if no one else has) that name calling

is

not tolerated on this list. Despite the amazing variety of opinions
shared in this forum, I am very proud this group remains cordial.

And if

I can speak for the others, we'd like to keep it that way. We have

had

situations in the past where those who could not maintain that

standard

were asked to leave.

We welcome your political opinions...but please be civil as we are
allies here. And we want to be nice to our friends.

Best regards,

Mike

________________________________

From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-

discuss@yahoogroups.com]

On Behalf Of Glenn Rapp
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:15 PM
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Oakland To Fire 11 Narc Cops Who

Lied To

Get Warrants

Eric,

I hope you need a pig someday.......you're an ass.

G

I think this actually a positive sign; that is that the City of
Oakland took action against the pigs and also that they're charging
the badge-wearing assassin who gunned down the guy in the subway

with

murder. Following these issues over the last few months, there seems
to be a growing groundswell of opposition to the out-of-control 'law
enforcement' situation. It's been speculated too that Obama's

decision

to close down Guantanamo may be the beginning of a general overhaul.

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:lpsf-discuss%40yahoogroups.com> , Ron Getty <tradergroupe@>
wrote:
>
> Dear All;
>
> Isn't this a great country or what? No mention
> yet of how many dozen of cases will have to
> get tossed and convictions overturned.
> The problem is not just Oakland or SF or LA
> or statewide or national.
>
> The Drug Wars so warps the fabric of our
> country with police officers like these and
> a whole passel of others just like these cops
> across the country really striking a blow to
> protect our citizens.
>
> Unfortunately, who's gonna protect us from the cops.
>
> Billions in tax money wasted ever since Nixon
> created the DEA and the drug trade just gets
> bigger and better and stronger and the cops
> get more crooked twisted and perverted.
>
> Not to mention all the property illegally seized
> and the people murdered by cops because
> of illegal warrants.
>
> Bet the war in Afghanistan would collapse if all the
> War on Drugs was repealed as well as the war on the
> Golden Triangle war-lords of Burma Laos
> Cambodia and all the battles with those
> Colombian war-lords as well.
>
> Sheer gross stupidity and sheer gross waste of
> taxpayers dollars.
>
> Billions wasted zero returns.
>
> Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
> Hostis res Publica
> Morte ai Tiranni
> Dum Spiro, Pugno
>
>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?

f=/c/a/2009/01/15/BAVV15BGOJ.D

TL&feed=rss.bayarea
<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?

f=/c/a/2009/01/15/BAVV15BGOJ.

DTL&feed=rss.bayarea>
>
> http://snipurl.com/a5kho

[www_sfgate_com]

>
> Oakland to fire 11 cops for allegedly lying to get search warrants
>
> (01-15) 19:33 PST OAKLAND -- The city of
> Oakland intends to fire 11 police officers for
> allegedly lying to obtain search warrants in
> drug cases, officials said Thursday.
>
> The two sergeants and nine officers face
> dismissal in a scandal that has thrown into
> jeopardy the prosecutions of dozens of
> suspects. At least nine have already had
> their cases dismissed because warrants
> that police used to obtain evidence were
> obtained on the basis of lies by officers,
> according to attorneys involved in the cases.
>
> The officers told judges that substances seized
> from drug suspects had been positively identified
> by the Oakland police crime lab as narcotics
> when, in fact, they had not, authorities said.
> Those false statements were used to persuade
> judges to issue warrants that police relied on
> to gather more evidence.
>
> The full article here:
>
>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?

f=/c/a/2009/01/15/BAVV15BGOJ.D

TL&feed=rss.bayarea
<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?

f=/c/a/2009/01/15/BAVV15BGOJ.

DTL&feed=rss.bayarea>
>
> http://snipurl.com/a5kho

[www_sfgate_com]

13

Why don't you tell us all, then, what I or anybody else might need
one for?

Eric,

I hope you need a pig someday.......you're an ass.

G

> I think this actually a positive sign; that is that the City of
> Oakland took action against the pigs and also that they're

charging

> the badge-wearing assassin who gunned down the guy in the subway

with

> murder. Following these issues over the last few months, there

seems

> to be a growing groundswell of opposition to the out-of-

control 'law

> enforcement' situation. It's been speculated too that Obama's

decision

> to close down Guantanamo may be the beginning of a general

overhaul.

>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%

40yahoogroups.com>, Ron

> Getty <tradergroupe@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear All;
> >
> > Isn't this a great country or what? No mention
> > yet of how many dozen of cases will have to
> > get tossed and convictions overturned.
> > The problem is not just Oakland or SF or LA
> > or statewide or national.
> >
> > The Drug Wars so warps the fabric of our
> > country with police officers like these and
> > a whole passel of others just like these cops
> > across the country really striking a blow to
> > protect our citizens.
> >
> > Unfortunately, who's gonna protect us from the cops.
> >
> > Billions in tax money wasted ever since Nixon
> > created the DEA and the drug trade just gets
> > bigger and better and stronger and the cops
> > get more crooked twisted and perverted.
> >
> > Not to mention all the property illegally seized
> > and the people murdered by cops because
> > of illegal warrants.
> >
> > Bet the war in Afghanistan would collapse if all the
> > War on Drugs was repealed as well as the war on the
> > Golden Triangle war-lords of Burma Laos
> > Cambodia and all the battles with those
> > Colombian war-lords as well.
> >
> > Sheer gross stupidity and sheer gross waste of
> > taxpayers dollars.
> >
> > Billions wasted zero returns.
> >
> > Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
> > Hostis res Publica
> > Morte ai Tiranni
> > Dum Spiro, Pugno
> >
> >
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?

f=/c/a/2009/01/15/BAVV15BGOJ.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea

> >
> > http://snipurl.com/a5kho [www_sfgate_com]
> >
> > Oakland to fire 11 cops for allegedly lying to get search

warrants

> >
> > (01-15) 19:33 PST OAKLAND -- The city of
> > Oakland intends to fire 11 police officers for
> > allegedly lying to obtain search warrants in
> > drug cases, officials said Thursday.
> >
> > The two sergeants and nine officers face
> > dismissal in a scandal that has thrown into
> > jeopardy the prosecutions of dozens of
> > suspects. At least nine have already had
> > their cases dismissed because warrants
> > that police used to obtain evidence were
> > obtained on the basis of lies by officers,
> > according to attorneys involved in the cases.
> >
> > The officers told judges that substances seized
> > from drug suspects had been positively identified
> > by the Oakland police crime lab as narcotics
> > when, in fact, they had not, authorities said.
> > Those false statements were used to persuade
> > judges to issue warrants that police relied on
> > to gather more evidence.
> >
> > The full article here:
> >
> >
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?

f=/c/a/2009/01/15/BAVV15BGOJ.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea

14

The statist smartass questions:

   'I ask in all seriousness............What libertarian would
describe all members of law enforcement as "pigs"...? Rational
discussion of the topic went out the window that remark.'

  A libertarian who supports things like due process and opposes
things like brutality and corruption, that's who. Anyone who still
worships the 'bastards in blue' after things like, oh, the FLDS raid
and Hurricane Katrina (among a few hundred other examples) has no
room to be lecturing anyone else about 'rationality'.

> Good questions Steve...personally I'd like respect across the

board but

> I'd say that's a personal decision. How members treat each other

on this

> list is the critical factor.
>
> Mike
>
>
> From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%

40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:

> lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Steve Dekorte
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:43 PM
> To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Oakland To Fire 11 Narc Cops Who

Lied To

> Get Warrants
>
> > Glen...just letting you know (if no one else has) that name

calling is

>
> > not tolerated on this list.
>
> I agree. Should we consider both Glenn's use of "ass" and Eric's

use

15

Now now Eric...please...let's not go there.

16

Glenn,

  Personally I see calling cops "pigs" as being along the lines of describing all members of Congress as con artists, or all IRS workers as thugs, or all social workers with Child Protective Services as homewreckers. Not literally true, and certainly not suitable language for every occasion, yet a forgivable rhetorical excess that can serve to advance the libertarian cause by publicly reinforcing stereotypes that *do* accurately capture the general spirit of these institutions and the attitudes of *most* of their personnel.

  Hopefully the small minority of good police officers -- those who understand that it is wrong for them to arrest or otherwise mistreat people like drug sellers, drug users, prostitutes, clients of prostitutes, homeless people sleeping in public, people who are verbally combative with or insulting to government employees, people who don't have ID or don't carry it, people under the age of 21 drinking alcohol, people exercising their Second Amendment rights, people who operate motor vehicles without a government license, et cetera, ad infinitum, and refrain from doing such things, or at the very least realize their jobs involve wrongdoing and feel badly about it -- will forgive those of us who share their pro-freedom views if we wrongfully impugn them from time to time by way of letting others know how we feel about the abuses committed by the overwhelming majority of their colleagues.

  Such observations do not seem to me antithetical to rational discussion, so long as they are not used to such an extent as to become a substitute for such discussion. I agree with you that discussion here should remain civil, although telling someone he is making an ass of himself seems to me only marginally more civil than outright calling someone an ass. But as someone who did not object to Eric's original remarks about police officers, I likewise urge him to refrain from any name-calling ("smartass" etc.) directed specifically toward other members of this list.

Love & Liberty,
        ((( starchild )))

17

Starchild:

Are you personally aware of people who don't have ID or don't carry it
being arrested? I mean other than driving a motor vehicle or else
trying to board a plane.

-Derek

18

Derek,

  Not personally that come to mind. I was mostly thinking of undocumented migrants when I wrote that, but I believe I've also read and heard other stories of arrests for failing to show ID. I did a brief search and turned up the following:

19

Dear Eric,

Mike D's reminder goes for all of us, not just Glenn.

Regards,

Marcy

20

I suppose for the purposes of keeping the peace..........I'll not enrage
Eric further...........

In that spirit

ALL police officers are pigs, to be feared and villified
All Palin supporters are complete idiots

A big shout out the the fairminded Starchild who duly noted that there is in
fact.........a teenie weenie minority of police officers who aren't
completely corrupt.

Not exactly the Buckleyesque dialogue I was hoping for in a thread about
mis-guided policies on illegal drugs.....

but it is what it is I suppose....