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I’ve been very active on NextDoor. It’s a great platform for community engagement.

An issue brought to my neighborhood group involves the fact the new Navagation Center is being located in the middle of high value real estate in SF and that the government passed a law denying the locals an opinion about it. ]

For those of you with time and interest, here’s the thread from our local Nextdoor group, Pretty interesting and fun actually

Michael Denny
Libertarian Party of San Francisco
No On Prop A
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Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
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The government can just do what they want and we can just keep our opinions to ourselves. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/New-law-eliminates-appeals-for-new-Navigation-14282395.php
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[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
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It's not NIMBYism Darryl. It has nothing to do with me. I'm not affected. But when government just simply declares itself immune from appeals, that's the path to tyranny. And yours is a mistaken view of NIMBYism. NIMBYism is about private people proposing something in someone's back yard. Of course we have citizen review of EVERYTHING like that. But government GETS A PASS ON THAT. See the difference?
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[Darryl Yip]
Darryl Yip<https://nextdoor.com/profile/30194484/>
, Outer Richmond SE·1 day ago
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Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121> The law is simple. If a navigation center meets zoning regulations, it gets approved, just like the building you live in met zoning standards when it was built. So if you don't like the zoning, then lobby to change the zoning. But good luck on that.
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[Christian Williams]
Christian Williams<https://nextdoor.com/profile/31985731/>
, NE Outer Richmond·1 day ago
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Simply put..homeless people matter more than hard working tax paying citizens..
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[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
, Outer Richmond SE·1 day ago
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Christian….I sincerely hope you are being sarcastic. We are all equal. Everyone deserves respect. But no one should be able to assert themselves against others without their right to appeal.
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[Erik Petersen]
Erik Petersen<https://nextdoor.com/profile/16889498/>
, Outer Richmond SE·1 day ago
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This is how a republic is supposed to function, you elect representatives who have time to think about city planning and make thought out intelligent decisions. If you don't like it, vote them out If you start deciding everything by who is the loudest in town halls meetings or who can get the most signatures on a petition you get bad policy. Go to a neighborhood town hall about a new development sometime, it's awful. Direct democracy is terrible for this kinds of things, it usually results in short term thinking that hurts us in the log run. Remember that bill about building a tall building on the telegraph hill water waterfront that got put on the popular ballot, same kind of crap
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[Marina Klochkov]
Marina Klochkov<https://nextdoor.com/profile/27047440/>
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Simply Hippocrates. “We know Navigation Centers work, and we just need to do it.” Where it works? In the center? More and more campers every day.
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[Erik Petersen]
Erik Petersen<https://nextdoor.com/profile/16889498/>
, Outer Richmond SE·1 day ago
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But they do work? Santa Rosa, Seattle and Austin are all copying the model because of the results http://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/Navigation-Center-Neighborhood-Impacts-Final-Report.pdf https://www.chinatowncdc.org/are-navigation-centers-a-solution-for-the-homeless-crisis https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/SF-s-homeless-navigation-centers-seem-to-be-13025012.php
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[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
, Outer Richmond SE·1 day ago
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That's your opinion Marina....but the arguably successful New York City program put the centers in the Bronx. I'm not saying I like the NYC solution. Just saying, the location seems to be subject to discussion. And certainly not immune to it.
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[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
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Erik....you surely don't make appeals illegal no matter what system you are operating in unless you want to make tyranny your MO.
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[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
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Erik....I hear what you are saying. If it is so good, what does the City have to lose by explaining this to the neighbors? Closing down discussion is the way of tyrants.
[Erik Petersen]
Erik Petersen<https://nextdoor.com/profile/16889498/>
, Outer Richmond SE·Edited 1 day ago
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I don't think passing laws that limit litigation leads to tyranny, without said laws you just get tyrannized by rich people with expensive lawyers The proposed laws look more like anti lobbying laws than they look like a law designed to stiffle democracy
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[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
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Come on Erik....who has the highest paid lawyers? The public or SF with it's $13B budget. And the law isn't limiting litigation. It is limiting the natural right to citizen appeal built into our legal system.
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[Erik Petersen]
Erik Petersen<https://nextdoor.com/profile/16889498/>
, Outer Richmond SE·Edited 1 day ago
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I don't think you understand how municipal budgets work, that money is allocated by law towards specific purposes, like roads and schools. It's not a slush fund that the mayor and board of supes get to spend from at their discretion If it's the amount of Portside Master Association's and Portside Homeowners Association's lawyer fees vs city of SF's lawyer fees, I'm going with the former
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[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
, Outer Richmond SE·1 day ago
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Erik....the SF City Attorney's office has an $85M per year budget. Get real.
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[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
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Darryl Yip<https://nextdoor.com/profile/30194484> Just like with private developers right Erik? If it is appropriate for the zoning, it get's approved. You are living in a dream world where the government gets privileges not allowed for the citizens who have to go through community review. Darryl, do you work for the City?
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[Benson Choy]
Benson Choy<https://nextdoor.com/profile/16446477/>
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Here’s one of my sources for the curious... https://transparentcalifornia.com
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[Dan O'Hara]
Dan O'Hara<https://nextdoor.com/profile/13067817/>
, Outer Richmond SE·17 hr ago
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It would seem Geary BRT is just such a fantastic boondoggle ... so yes, those revenuers do seem to find enough budgetary leeway to cover seemingly arbitrary or even political expenditures when properly cloaked ... stuff just seems to happen. Could the navigation centers (btw) be misplaced in areas where high rents raise values in turn raising taxes that support budgetary decisions intended to help unfortunate citizens. Why aren’t these special purpose facilities located in less expensive areas? It seems politicians and media are playing ping-pong with the homeless issue.
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[Erik Petersen]
Erik Petersen<https://nextdoor.com/profile/16889498/>
, Outer Richmond SE·13 hr ago
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Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121> Still not how budgets work, who do you think makes more per hour: the attorney for Portside Master Association and Portside Homeowners Association or an SF attorney defending this lawsuit? This is about closing a legal loophole that was being abused by a small, wealthy part of the community (220 households to be exact) using their wealth and status to prevent elected representatives from helping the community. A community of 10,000 plus residents, including homeless people. The households represented in the lawsuit is max what 1,000 people? (220 * 4) I'd bet far less. Also I'd be willing to bet that for the majority of households represented it's not even their primary residence. This is about property values, not the rise of tyranny
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[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
, Outer Richmond SE·10 hr ago
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Erik, you are not providing any data so it is just speculation as to who is spending more money. I am familiar with a current lawsuit filed by an individual without an attorney and the City Attorney's office has 3 lawyers on it. And if we treating everyone as equals, demonizing property owners by suggesting (without facts) that they don't primarily live in the properties doesn't advance the conversation either. Why shouldn't property owners be able to ask questions and raise concerns like with every single other private property transaction. Why was that location selected and not an underutilized and more out of the way location? Maybe the interested parties can put their heads together and find a better solution. Shutting down dialogue is a path to tyranny and it is sadly becoming increasingly common.
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[Erik Petersen]
Erik Petersen<https://nextdoor.com/profile/16889498/>
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The conversation is that these laws are killing democracy and that the will of the people is being ignored. When it's a law aimed the reduce the ability of a small subset of the population, ones armed with lawyers, from impeding city projects that help under represented segments of the population. So talking about the demographics about who is filing these appeals is important I am not doing it without facts, I'm extrapolating given available data: given the location and that an HOA is the plaintiff, it's likely the households represented fall into a wealthy demographic and might not live in that neighborhood. That neighborhood is only 35% owner occupied http://default.sfplanning.org/publications_reports/SF_NGBD_SocioEconomic_Profiles/2010-2014_ACS_Profile_Neighborhoods_v3AH.pdf , combine that with "Portside Master Association and Portside Homeowners Association" I don't think renters are going to property owners orgs and demanding they hire lawyers to stop this project "Why was that location selected and not an underutilized and more out of the way location? " So literally not in my back yard? The homelessness problem isn't a neighbor hood specific problem, we need these centers in as many places as possible, not just the places without HOAs present to fight it
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[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
, Outer Richmond SE·9 hr ago
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Thanks for the info Erik. It says "owner occupied" but that doesn't mean the property is 65% empty most of the time. It might just mean that the properties are rented. But still, why should City Hall be immune from the same neighborhood dialogue that is mandated with every other construction project? Every neighbor is invited whether they live there full-time or not. It's really a kind of uncompensated "taking". Maybe there's a price to be negotiated? Maybe by putting a pricing model on the project might make it less expensive to do somewhere else. But using force without the right of appeal is not really a healthy model for democracy.
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[Linda Jang]
Linda Jang<https://nextdoor.com/profile/40733501/>
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We have a problem with over population. As the need grows & continues to exceed community and state resources everyone will be taxed even more. Our city & county footprint is relatively small. Wherever they put a navigation center, it will be close to a residential area. What is wrong with using the Cow Palace property: It's huge!
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[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
, Outer Richmond SE·5 hr ago
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Great idea Linda....but the Cow Palace is in Daly City. Still, why not work a deal with them. Somehow I get the feeling they want this Navigation Center somewhere where they can easily "show it off". It's the only explanation I can think of.
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[Gerald Crump]
Gerald Crump<https://nextdoor.com/profile/5021241/>
, Central Richmond·4 hr ago
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Scott Weiner is just that
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[Truth E. Ness]
Truth E. Ness<https://nextdoor.com/profile/25439818/>
, Inner Richmond·1 hr ago
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34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
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[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
, Outer Richmond SE·50 min ago
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Thank you "Truth E. Ness" (cute handle by the way). Of course all this you write of is derived from the principle of voluntary Love. That is completely removed from the political process of forced taxing, involuntary "takings" (without appeal) and (so called) "giving" thru 3rd party government intermediaries and agencies. If it isn't voluntary love from one heart to another, it isn't Charity. And if it isn't Charity there is no blessing between the giver and the receiver. It is a fraud. That means it has nothing to do with the fine biblical quotes you carefully prepared. But thank you for them anyways.
[Truth E. Ness]
Truth E. Ness<https://nextdoor.com/profile/25439818/>
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It says only what it says. Good night.
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[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
, Outer Richmond SE·39 min ago
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So true. It's just not relevant to this discussion because this thread isn't about Love. Sad to say. It would be great if your fine words were taken into the hearts of our "overlords". Then San Francisco would be a much better place. Thanks again for that.
[Truth E. Ness]
Truth E. Ness<https://nextdoor.com/profile/25439818/>
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Goon night
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[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
, Outer Richmond SE·37 min ago
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Goon night to you too. Smile
[Truth E. Ness]
Truth E. Ness<https://nextdoor.com/profile/25439818/>
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Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121> :upside_down_face:
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[Adam Jamin]
Adam Jamin<https://nextdoor.com/profile/40603880/>
, NE Outer Richmond·Edited 20 min ago
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The law doesn't prevent suing in court. It only stops local government from denying compliant projects due to polital pressure from NIMBYs. A lawsuit has to have some evidence of violation of law, not merely curmudgeonly dissatisfaction.
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[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
, Outer Richmond SE·17 min ago
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Thank you Adam. In short, what you are saying is that government is immune from the same neighborhood review process required for every other private development project in the City. Is that correct?
[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
, Outer Richmond SE·10 min ago
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By the way, a friend of mine developing a property in NOPA had to deal with neighborhood complaints about everything including the color of the paint he planned to use on the building. These were hardly violations of "law"...rather mostly "curmudgeonly dissatisfaction". Democracy is noisy. Tyranny is one dimensional with a lot of centrally administered force. What we have here is tyranny. No one on this thread has convincingly stated otherwise.
[Adam Jamin]
Adam Jamin<https://nextdoor.com/profile/40603880/>
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Erik Petersen<https://nextdoor.com/profile/16889498> And since a number of homeless people are already living there, it's reasonable to house them nearby. Displacing people from their locale only because they're undesirable isn't intended to help them.
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[Michael Denny]
Michael Denny<https://nextdoor.com/profile/3069121/>
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Thank you Erik. That is a negotiable interpretation that involves many different stakeholders. And a considerable amount of communication. Just because one party (the government) has a position doesn't negate the feelings and rights of the others involved in the transaction. That means shutting down the community input process that is involved in every other private real estate transaction in SF, is an act of tyranny.

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