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Dear Everyone;

Another viewpoint of why there aren't more Libertarian women and the reason why having something to do with the female brain and the way in which it was created. The author has also written other articles which have appeared every so often with Lew Rockwell.

Ahem - Marcy as one of the few Libertarian women here in the LPSF this article may be of interest as due to some late neurological science the human brain is default set at : Female.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

http://www.lewrockwell.com/decoster/decoster117.html

Women and the Freedom Philosophy: Is There Hope?
by Karen De Coster
by Karen De Coster
         
DIGG THIS
The August 3rd, 2006 edition of The Economist includes a fascinating piece titled "The Mismeasure of Women." Did you know that the female brain is the "default setting" for all human beings, and it is the surges of testosterone during gestation and post-birth that transform the brain for a male child?
In the past, it was assumed that a female was simply a male with hormones, says Tracey Shors, a professor of neuroscience at Rutgers University. The truth is the exact opposite. Female is the default brain setting. Until the eighth week of gestation every human fetal brain looks female. The brain, like the rest of the human body, becomes male as a result of surges of testosterone – one during gestation and one shortly after birth.
This wash of hormones creates an organ that generates typically boyish behaviour, such as rough-and-tumble play. Behavioural differences appear early.
If you listen to the usual squawk on this topic, we are supposed to be shocked that men and women are undeniably different as regards behavior. However, it’s easy enough to observe that men and women do reveal distinct thinking skills, oftentimes gender influenced. We each react to dilemmas rather differently. For example, you guys say we get mad about stuff, and you have no clue as to why we are mad. And we are mad at you because, well, sometimes that’s the only way we can get your attention, but since we’re too complex and imprudent to just tell you we need your attention, we just get mad to start the ball rolling. But it never works. It just makes you less attentive, and we just get angrier.
According to the Economist article, research shows that there is this thing in the brain known as the corpus callosum, which is made of white matter and connects the brain’s two hemispheres, and this part of the brain is proportionally smaller in the male. Hence a possible explanation as to why women will often employ both sides of the brain for some problem-solving, whereas men will utilize the left side of their brains. So, you see, our brains are sort of like taking the long way around. Information hits our grey matter, and then it makes a stop or two at the lavatory, stops to grab a carry-out at Applebee’s, then hits the corpus callosum to zip over to the other side of the brain, because there’s a really great shopping mall over there with a Bath and Body store – exfoliates and pedicure kits are Buy One, Get One Free. And since the male thinking pattern stays on the same side of the block, and we travel all about and to the other side, we don’t need to stop
and ask for directions. We know the way.
Putting the Pedal to the Metal While Wearing High Heels
When we look at ideas, and the radical thought processes that drive them, we observe those who are the catalysts and trailblazers in the world of ideas – academics, writers, bloggers, scholars, editors, philanthropists, and the like. Among this group of individuals is a sea of men amid a few women. Why is that so?
But wait, women are heavily involved in politics, aren't they? You see them at rallies, in their gray, tweed skirts and spray-glued hair, waving their banners and holding up signs that say "I'm a woman, and I vote." (That's supposed to be a big threat, warning a politician not to vote against anything that falls under the category of women's rights.) But clearly, involvement in Democratic or Republican politics is like playing adult tee-ball. It is not an intellectual pursuit. Party politics are easy to get involved with, don't take much knowledge or ability, and besides, the social events are alluring and think-free. The car washes and bakes sales are probably pretty good, too. And blowing up balloons and planting lawn signs is, like, so fun! In all honesty, reciting the implicit loyalty oath for some political faction that forms for the sake of employing its coercive tactics versus the schemes that come from other factions has its grounding in social relations. Most women
prefer this as a basis for relationships as opposed to philosophical bindings. Party politics is all about taking sides for the sake of some subjectively-placed loyalty, usually formed on the basis of certain social relations and/or social pecking orders. This is not much different than rooting for the Yankees vs. the Mets. And I keep take my liberty far more seriously than my baseball. This is why I keep myself a safe distance from Big "L" libertarianism.
However, political philosophy is much more than the superficial loyalties and the traditional buttons and balloons offered up by the political party system.
Thus, women are notably absent from anything reflecting libertarianism because this is a new bird altogether. At its roots, the philosophy of libertarianism – and I don’t mean the political party – is strictly dedicated to defined and immovable principles that drive our relationships, as individuals, to other individuals. To be libertarian-minded is to be rigorous in thought. Libertarianism is a political philosophy and not a moral theory. It allows for the individual to be free to make choices, whether moral or immoral. As regards libertarianism, there is a distinction made between an immoral means to an end and an act of physical aggression. The first is not violent; the other is. The non-aggression axiom has it that a state cannot initiate violence, or threaten to do so, any more than can an individual. In other words, this tends to allow for unhampered personal freedom and tolerance, along with a lack of unwelcome, authoritative oversight.
A problem is that women focus all too often on the means to an end, and they oftentimes seem to lack the ability to systemize and critically evaluate situations on an individual basis. Rather, they supercede these characteristics with empathy and emotion. While men view the human condition as autonomous and simplified, women see it in a more complex and, worse yet, collectivist perspective. This finds them tending toward seeing the world around them as a "society," not a place of interacting individuals. As Murray Rothbard stated in For a New Liberty, "society is sometimes treated as a superior or quasi-divine figure with overriding rights of its own." This type of thinking is directly opposite libertarianism.
Women welcome the "nurturing" from above – meaning chosen leaders or authoritative bodies deemed worthwhile to run the lives of individuals within society. This, they think, is essential for maintaining carefully-defined means (laws) toward just ends (desired outcomes). Women don’t recognize the extreme violence of the fascist state or the tyranny of the nanny state. They seem to have no problem with the arbitrary use of power and government decree, as long as society – in the way they view it – is better off on the whole. In essence, they are communal utilitarians.
Dr Baron-Cohen suggests that innate preferences can be carried into adulthood, too. He studies autism and Asperger's syndrome, conditions that are far more common in boys than girls. His theory is that, from birth, female brains are hardwired for understanding emotions (empathising) and male brains for understanding and building systems (systemising). Hence the diverse preferences for toys. The notion is that autistic children – and autistic adults – have extremely male brains. In other words, they are especially good at systemising and especially bad at empathising.
...Another proposal to explain the lack of women professors of math and science is that even if there is little or no difference in average ability, there might be differences in the variation around this average, with more men found in the tails of the distribution curve and fewer in the middle. In other words, among males there are more idiots and more prodigies. One study of IQ, covering everyone born in Scotland in 1932, supports this idea. It showed that there were more women in the middle of the distribution, but more men at both of the extremes.
The bit about men holding up the tail ends of the distribution curve while women clutter toward the mean seems extremely plausible, if only thinking about my own everyday experiences with folks of both genders. I am always amazed at how women – even those with a large amount of "higher education" – can be so simple-minded and so unquestionably compliant when they are presented with something that is deemed "the answer," or the facts. In conversation, they sometimes talk in tones that are apathetic. Though women seem to be very much more common sense-oriented than men – the "clueless man" stereotype has its truths – they are more likely to shy away from intellectual rigor. They are less likely to pursue difficult answers or knowledge outside of their career field, and they shy away from challenging the status quo. Quite often, I find myself talking with a professional, female colleague who comes across as a box of rocks on topics dealing with anything newsworthy,
worldly, philosophical, political, or historical. They can obtain an MBA – which is hardly remarkable – and manage 12 people, but they can't put the pedal to the metal intellectually? It baffles me.
We Gotta Do Something!
Perhaps all that I have mentioned is a start to answering the questions put forth by Justine Nicholas in regards to female libertarians. It is indeed frustrating to witness the lack of skepticism and sound thinking within our gender.
For instance, most women I know can't comprehend some of the most basic libertarian principles that would lead to such notions as no public education, lack of a police/security state, no welfare state, or the eradication of victimless crimes, etc. Women love laws. The more the better! And in fact, a favorite statement of women in general – parroted by Stevie Nicks in concert – is "We got to do something!" In other words, any action taken is effort well spent, 'cuz, we just gotta, you know, do something. That means, of course, that we didn't just sit and do nothing. Whatever that something is, they don’t seem to care. Laws, after all, are evidence of "doing something." A fuzzy phrase like that is a case of Montezuma's revenge for the intellect.
Now of course much of the above is purely anecdotal and/or speculation, and ignores those women who are not as such, but everyday experience – at least on my part – seems to support the politically incorrect and general conclusions on the differences between males and females. Women, I think, are much too caught up in the small stuff, sweating out the day-to-day details in an emotive fashion. They aren’t often enough interested in the big ideas that move mountains and provide for intellectual discovery. For some reason, so many women just seem to lack the intellectual ambition gene, and instead, and find solace in passivity and compliance. They are less inclined to be libertarian-minded, intellectual, mathematical, philosophical, or spatial. Is it because they are too cluttered about the mean, with too few outliers?
It’s "For the Children": Free Lunch, Free Breakfast, Free Everything
Women, as you know, will be so wonderfully protective of their children, family, and those with whom they sustain emotional relationships. They will hover and guard and oftentimes over-protect the ones they love. This is the nurturing feature. Yet these same women will trust a bunch of unfamiliar, self-aggrandizing, control-freak, government bureaucrats to rear and nourish and sustain and educate their children? In the jailhouses known as public schools, we went from the school lunch trough to the freebie breakfast, and if that’s not enough, we now have weekday and summer breakfasts, as well as after-school dinner spoils – all taxpayer funded. And the children are herded off to these meals with hardly a thought. If women can so easily come to believe that their child’s nutritional life is not their responsibility, it’s no wonder that so many women have no problem whatsoever with the overriding concept of cradle-to-grave, welfare-state status quo.
Heck, even most females in the animal world don’t dare trust outsiders – humans or other critters – around their young. Try to approach a mother duck and her babies, and the reaction from Mom is predictably aggressive. Yet the compliant human being invites the critter known as the welfare state into her home, and onward it moves to all areas of the house, taking with it an entire generation of self-sufficient beings. Women have been taught – via the New Deal welfare mindset and modern left-feminism – that the State replaces the male head-of-household, thus leading them to the collective Big Daddy, the central planners. Hence, this is where they turn for the quick answer.
Likewise, there is no quick answer that can be supplied to the question, "Is it hopeless?" The route to the freedom philosophy, for women, can only be supplied by an intellectual education, and that starts at home, not at some public school awash in LCD (Lowest Common Denominator) syndrome, and surely not at some supposed "top-tier" university, in an outright asinine women’s studies program. Rigorous education is a long road, and it’s not paved with yellow bricks with a wizard that looks like Betty Friedan lying in wait.
In effect, women, who usually have nurturing tendencies from birth, take this blessed virtue outside of family and voluntary relationships, and turn it into a top-down cultivation wherein the state, through coercive and interventionist methods, breeds an entire generation of foster children. It is this twisted concept of love and nurturing that advances the state and lowers the boom on the development of family, philanthropy, and humanity.
August 11, 2006
Karen De Coster, CPA, has an MA in Economics, and is an accounting and finance professional in Detroit. See her website and blog at www.karendecoster.com. Send her mail.

I rather side with Joan Kennedy Taylor’s analysis of this issue:

http://www.alf.org/alfnews/alf70.shtml

see also Roderick Long, here:

http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/18084.html

Now pardon me while I use the airsickness bag.

love and strife,

Lady Aster

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*Tochter aus Elysium,*
*Wir betreten feuertrunken,*
*Himmlische, dein Heiligtum!*
*Deine Zauber binden wieder*
*Was die Mode streng geteilt.*
*Alle Menschen werden Br�der*
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Dear Ron,

What a great article! Thank you. The arguments, although traditional
and heard a million times before, are still worth considering. There
is no way that I would try to address the numerous points from an
intellectual perspective (my free time is very limited). However,
here are some points that might be of help by way of clarification of
some of the balderdash in the article:

1. Writing a symphony while eight months pregnant would be very,
very challenging.

2. Cogitating as to the merits of libertarianism vs pagmatism while
the baby barfs would be unusual.

3. All the planning that goes into ramming an airplane into a
building full of people would be challenging when the kids want
dinner every single night.

Ah....But....

1. Getting a loan from the Micro Loan folks to buy a cell phone so
that the people in your village can form a line outsite your hut
every morning to order their supplies or say they are OK after the
last flood is totally doable while nursing the little ones.

2. Focusing on what can be DONE NOW to make the lives of your family
better is also doable when you find yourself with a little spare time.

3. Bake sales are great! They are easy to pull off. They take care
of hunger or need NOW. They take care of funds needed NOW.

I could go on. But I would rather go print those #@$*# Police
Petition Letters for the meeting tomorrow.

Regards,

Marcy [:-}

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty <tradergroupe@...>
wrote:

Dear Everyone;

Another viewpoint of why there aren't more Libertarian women and

the reason why having something to do with the female brain and the
way in which it was created. The author has also written other
articles which have appeared every so often with Lew Rockwell.

Ahem - Marcy as one of the few Libertarian women here in the LPSF

this article may be of interest as due to some late neurological
science the human brain is default set at : Female.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

http://www.lewrockwell.com/decoster/decoster117.html

Women and the Freedom Philosophy: Is There Hope?
by Karen De Coster
by Karen De Coster
         
DIGG THIS
The August 3rd, 2006 edition of The Economist includes a

fascinating piece titled "The Mismeasure of Women." Did you know that
the female brain is the "default setting" for all human beings, and
it is the surges of testosterone during gestation and post-birth that
transform the brain for a male child?

In the past, it was assumed that a female was simply a male with

hormones, says Tracey Shors, a professor of neuroscience at Rutgers
University. The truth is the exact opposite. Female is the default
brain setting. Until the eighth week of gestation every human fetal
brain looks female. The brain, like the rest of the human body,
becomes male as a result of surges of testosterone â€" one during
gestation and one shortly after birth.

This wash of hormones creates an organ that generates typically

boyish behaviour, such as rough-and-tumble play. Behavioural
differences appear early.

If you listen to the usual squawk on this topic, we are supposed to

be shocked that men and women are undeniably different as regards
behavior. However, it’s easy enough to observe that men and women
do reveal distinct thinking skills, oftentimes gender influenced. We
each react to dilemmas rather differently. For example, you guys say
we get mad about stuff, and you have no clue as to why we are mad.
And we are mad at you because, well, sometimes that’s the only way
we can get your attention, but since we’re too complex and
imprudent to just tell you we need your attention, we just get mad to
start the ball rolling. But it never works. It just makes you less
attentive, and we just get angrier.

According to the Economist article, research shows that there is

this thing in the brain known as the corpus callosum, which is made
of white matter and connects the brain’s two hemispheres, and this
part of the brain is proportionally smaller in the male. Hence a
possible explanation as to why women will often employ both sides of
the brain for some problem-solving, whereas men will utilize the left
side of their brains. So, you see, our brains are sort of like taking
the long way around. Information hits our grey matter, and then it
makes a stop or two at the lavatory, stops to grab a carry-out at
Applebee’s, then hits the corpus callosum to zip over to the other
side of the brain, because there’s a really great shopping mall
over there with a Bath and Body store â€" exfoliates and pedicure
kits are Buy One, Get One Free. And since the male thinking pattern
stays on the same side of the block, and we travel all about and to
the other side, we don’t need to stop

and ask for directions. We know the way.
Putting the Pedal to the Metal While Wearing High Heels
When we look at ideas, and the radical thought processes that drive

them, we observe those who are the catalysts and trailblazers in the
world of ideas â€" academics, writers, bloggers, scholars, editors,
philanthropists, and the like. Among this group of individuals is a
sea of men amid a few women. Why is that so?

But wait, women are heavily involved in politics, aren't they? You

see them at rallies, in their gray, tweed skirts and spray-glued
hair, waving their banners and holding up signs that say "I'm a
woman, and I vote." (That's supposed to be a big threat, warning a
politician not to vote against anything that falls under the category
of women's rights.) But clearly, involvement in Democratic or
Republican politics is like playing adult tee-ball. It is not an
intellectual pursuit. Party politics are easy to get involved with,
don't take much knowledge or ability, and besides, the social events
are alluring and think-free. The car washes and bakes sales are
probably pretty good, too. And blowing up balloons and planting lawn
signs is, like, so fun! In all honesty, reciting the implicit loyalty
oath for some political faction that forms for the sake of employing
its coercive tactics versus the schemes that come from other factions
has its grounding in social relations. Most women

prefer this as a basis for relationships as opposed to

philosophical bindings. Party politics is all about taking sides for
the sake of some subjectively-placed loyalty, usually formed on the
basis of certain social relations and/or social pecking orders. This
is not much different than rooting for the Yankees vs. the Mets. And
I keep take my liberty far more seriously than my baseball. This is
why I keep myself a safe distance from Big "L" libertarianism.

However, political philosophy is much more than the superficial

loyalties and the traditional buttons and balloons offered up by the
political party system.

Thus, women are notably absent from anything reflecting

libertarianism because this is a new bird altogether. At its roots,
the philosophy of libertarianism â€" and I don’t mean the political
party â€" is strictly dedicated to defined and immovable principles
that drive our relationships, as individuals, to other individuals.
To be libertarian-minded is to be rigorous in thought. Libertarianism
is a political philosophy and not a moral theory. It allows for the
individual to be free to make choices, whether moral or immoral. As
regards libertarianism, there is a distinction made between an
immoral means to an end and an act of physical aggression. The first
is not violent; the other is. The non-aggression axiom has it that a
state cannot initiate violence, or threaten to do so, any more than
can an individual. In other words, this tends to allow for unhampered
personal freedom and tolerance, along with a lack of unwelcome,
authoritative oversight.

A problem is that women focus all too often on the means to an end,

and they oftentimes seem to lack the ability to systemize and
critically evaluate situations on an individual basis. Rather, they
supercede these characteristics with empathy and emotion. While men
view the human condition as autonomous and simplified, women see it
in a more complex and, worse yet, collectivist perspective. This
finds them tending toward seeing the world around them as
a "society," not a place of interacting individuals. As Murray
Rothbard stated in For a New Liberty, "society is sometimes treated
as a superior or quasi-divine figure with overriding rights of its
own." This type of thinking is directly opposite libertarianism.

Women welcome the "nurturing" from above â€" meaning chosen leaders

or authoritative bodies deemed worthwhile to run the lives of
individuals within society. This, they think, is essential for
maintaining carefully-defined means (laws) toward just ends (desired
outcomes). Women don’t recognize the extreme violence of the
fascist state or the tyranny of the nanny state. They seem to have no
problem with the arbitrary use of power and government decree, as
long as society â€" in the way they view it â€" is better off on the
whole. In essence, they are communal utilitarians.

Dr Baron-Cohen suggests that innate preferences can be carried into

adulthood, too. He studies autism and Asperger's syndrome, conditions
that are far more common in boys than girls. His theory is that, from
birth, female brains are hardwired for understanding emotions
(empathising) and male brains for understanding and building systems
(systemising). Hence the diverse preferences for toys. The notion is
that autistic children â€" and autistic adults â€" have extremely
male brains. In other words, they are especially good at systemising
and especially bad at empathising.

...Another proposal to explain the lack of women professors of math

and science is that even if there is little or no difference in
average ability, there might be differences in the variation around
this average, with more men found in the tails of the distribution
curve and fewer in the middle. In other words, among males there are
more idiots and more prodigies. One study of IQ, covering everyone
born in Scotland in 1932, supports this idea. It showed that there
were more women in the middle of the distribution, but more men at
both of the extremes.

The bit about men holding up the tail ends of the distribution

curve while women clutter toward the mean seems extremely plausible,
if only thinking about my own everyday experiences with folks of both
genders. I am always amazed at how women â€" even those with a large
amount of "higher education" â€" can be so simple-minded and so
unquestionably compliant when they are presented with something that
is deemed "the answer," or the facts. In conversation, they sometimes
talk in tones that are apathetic. Though women seem to be very much
more common sense-oriented than men â€" the "clueless man" stereotype
has its truths â€" they are more likely to shy away from intellectual
rigor. They are less likely to pursue difficult answers or knowledge
outside of their career field, and they shy away from challenging the
status quo. Quite often, I find myself talking with a professional,
female colleague who comes across as a box of rocks on topics dealing
with anything newsworthy,

worldly, philosophical, political, or historical. They can obtain

an MBA â€" which is hardly remarkable â€" and manage 12 people, but
they can't put the pedal to the metal intellectually? It baffles me.

We Gotta Do Something!
Perhaps all that I have mentioned is a start to answering the

questions put forth by Justine Nicholas in regards to female
libertarians. It is indeed frustrating to witness the lack of
skepticism and sound thinking within our gender.

For instance, most women I know can't comprehend some of the most

basic libertarian principles that would lead to such notions as no
public education, lack of a police/security state, no welfare state,
or the eradication of victimless crimes, etc. Women love laws. The
more the better! And in fact, a favorite statement of women in
general â€" parroted by Stevie Nicks in concert â€" is "We got to do
something!" In other words, any action taken is effort well
spent, 'cuz, we just gotta, you know, do something. That means, of
course, that we didn't just sit and do nothing. Whatever that
something is, they don’t seem to care. Laws, after all, are
evidence of "doing something." A fuzzy phrase like that is a case of
Montezuma's revenge for the intellect.

Now of course much of the above is purely anecdotal and/or

speculation, and ignores those women who are not as such, but
everyday experience â€" at least on my part â€" seems to support the
politically incorrect and general conclusions on the differences
between males and females. Women, I think, are much too caught up in
the small stuff, sweating out the day-to-day details in an emotive
fashion. They aren’t often enough interested in the big ideas that
move mountains and provide for intellectual discovery. For some
reason, so many women just seem to lack the intellectual ambition
gene, and instead, and find solace in passivity and compliance. They
are less inclined to be libertarian-minded, intellectual,
mathematical, philosophical, or spatial. Is it because they are too
cluttered about the mean, with too few outliers?

It’s "For the Children": Free Lunch, Free Breakfast, Free

Everything

Women, as you know, will be so wonderfully protective of their

children, family, and those with whom they sustain emotional
relationships. They will hover and guard and oftentimes over-protect
the ones they love. This is the nurturing feature. Yet these same
women will trust a bunch of unfamiliar, self-aggrandizing, control-
freak, government bureaucrats to rear and nourish and sustain and
educate their children? In the jailhouses known as public schools, we
went from the school lunch trough to the freebie breakfast, and if
that’s not enough, we now have weekday and summer breakfasts, as
well as after-school dinner spoils â€" all taxpayer funded. And the
children are herded off to these meals with hardly a thought. If
women can so easily come to believe that their child’s nutritional
life is not their responsibility, it’s no wonder that so many women
have no problem whatsoever with the overriding concept of cradle-to-
grave, welfare-state status quo.

Heck, even most females in the animal world don’t dare trust

outsiders â€" humans or other critters â€" around their young. Try to
approach a mother duck and her babies, and the reaction from Mom is
predictably aggressive. Yet the compliant human being invites the
critter known as the welfare state into her home, and onward it moves
to all areas of the house, taking with it an entire generation of
self-sufficient beings. Women have been taught â€" via the New Deal
welfare mindset and modern left-feminism â€" that the State replaces
the male head-of-household, thus leading them to the collective Big
Daddy, the central planners. Hence, this is where they turn for the
quick answer.

Likewise, there is no quick answer that can be supplied to the

question, "Is it hopeless?" The route to the freedom philosophy, for
women, can only be supplied by an intellectual education, and that
starts at home, not at some public school awash in LCD (Lowest Common
Denominator) syndrome, and surely not at some supposed "top-tier"
university, in an outright asinine women’s studies program.
Rigorous education is a long road, and it’s not paved with yellow
bricks with a wizard that looks like Betty Friedan lying in wait.

In effect, women, who usually have nurturing tendencies from birth,

take this blessed virtue outside of family and voluntary
relationships, and turn it into a top-down cultivation wherein the
state, through coercive and interventionist methods, breeds an entire
generation of foster children. It is this twisted concept of love and
nurturing that advances the state and lowers the boom on the
development of family, philanthropy, and humanity.

August 11, 2006
Karen De Coster, CPA, has an MA in Economics, and is an accounting

and finance professional in Detroit. See her website and blog at
www.karendecoster.com. Send her mail.

Dear Lady Aster;

So - still feeling a little bit under the weather - eh? Try some warm ginger ale - it really works wonders to settle a quesy tummie - although it can't due a whole hecka of lot for thoughts and philosophies which read a little awry to some peoples or even a little wry......

Please do read Marcy's response for another perspective from a Libertarian woman of different stripe.... go one it's okay the words won't hurt your eyes....

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

The commentez vous regarding Starchild and his always asking about why we don’t go to cheaper venues for LP conventions WAS NOT a divide and conquer…

Ron… oh, never mind.

This is my last post for awhile. Goodbye, y’all.

love and strife,

Lady Aster

{)(*)(}

*Freude, sch�ner G�tterfunken*
*Tochter aus Elysium,*
*Wir betreten feuertrunken,*
*Himmlische, dein Heiligtum!*
*Deine Zauber binden wieder*
*Was die Mode streng geteilt.*
*Alle Menschen werden Br�der*
*Wo dein sanfter Fl�gel weilt.*

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