More on Prop A

The sponsor of Prop A said the following on Monday night., if I recall.

1. One of the reasons for this proposition is that the Unions were concerned about the viability of the trust fund.

Later he said that the fund is fully fu;nded with the workers contributions.

Well , if It's adequately funded , why have a proposition that makes the rest of the city's budget on the hook>

If the unions are worried about funding, why do they support the ability to raid the existing fund.?

He also said that the Proposition is supported by Union, All the other Sups, and the business community.

Is it possible that all thhree of these institutions have people in them who do not like short term pain, and would like to just put the problem off, pretending to pay for the future promises while not taking care of providing for them now?

Is it possible that the business community supports it because the structure of cronyism makes them want to avoid a discussion that may involve taxes going up and affecting present revenue and bonuses.?

Is is possible that the board of supervisers want to make every body feel good now , and pretend that the fund is financed properly now., all the while putting every other part of the city budget at risk somewhere down the line?

Is it possible that the Union bosses can't imagine a time when the city may balk at hving the rest of the budget sacrificed .

If I were a Union member , I would be worried that there appear to be no adults in government, union, or business who think that Promises must be backed by something more than real.

If I were a union member , I would say, show me the money.

Then we can have the honest difficult debate about where the money will come from, starting now, and not wait untill the problem gets too big to pay.

Either the grown up kids will suffer, or the poor old retirees will suffer. by not having an adult tackling of this difficult issue.

Hi Phil,

The purpose of this proposition is obscure. Earlier, I brought up the question whether Farrell might be addressing the sudden huge spike in early retirements should City College close or be taken over. The unions would want to be able to raid the funds when the early retirements starts.

Matt thought that there might be a possibility that Farrell was addressing the chance that City College might declare bankruptcy.

Either way, I am inclined to feel that the pressures from City College on the Supervisors would be for providing now and the heck with tomorrow’s retirees.

Thanks for your thoughts on this, Phil. We need a lot of takes on the subject if we are to conduct an interesting No on Proposition A Campaign.

Marcy

The sponsor of Prop A said the following on Monday night., if I recall.

  1. One of the reasons for this proposition is that the Unions were concerned about the viability of the trust fund.

Later he said that the fund is fully fu;nded with the workers contributions.

Well , if It’s adequately funded , why have a proposition that makes the rest of the city’s budget on the hook>

If the unions are worried about funding, why do they support the ability to raid the existing fund.?

He also said that the Proposition is supported by Union, All the other Sups, and the business community.

Is it possible that all thhree of these institutions have people in them who do not like short term pain, and would like to just put the problem off, pretending to pay for the future promises while not taking care of providing for them now?

Is it possible that the business community supports it because the structure of cronyism makes them want to avoid a discussion that may involve taxes going up and affecting present revenue and bonuses.?

Is is possible that the board of supervisers want to make every body feel good now , and pretend that the fund is financed properly now., all the while putting every other part of the city budget at risk somewhere down the line?

Is it possible that the Union bosses can’t imagine a time when the city may balk at hving the rest of the budget sacrificed .

If I were a Union member , I would be worried that there appear to be no adults in government, union, or business who think that Promises must be backed by something more than real.

If I were a union member , I would say, show me the money.

Then we can have the honest difficult debate about where the money will come from, starting now, and not wait untill the problem gets too big to pay.

Either the grown up kids will suffer, or the poor old retirees will suffer. by not having an adult tackling of this difficult issue.

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Hi Marcy, Phil, and All! The results from Tuesday night's voting at the Potrero Hill Democratic Club were 14 YES votes and 2 NO votes on A. That's 12.5%--not so great but hardly surprising. One of the outrageous things that Farrell mentioned, by the way, when the discussion turned to being able to disburse from the fund (when retiree health care costs exceed 10% of total payroll costs), was what if The City suffered from a major earthquake or other emergencies. So clearly raiding the fund is one of the purposes behind the measure, since "emergencies" are never-ending when it comes to politicians.

Thanks!
Aubrey

Something to think about relating to this. Can’t see the connection immediately but there might be something.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/looting-the-pension-funds-20130926