Missing Tax Returns (Badnarik article)

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Marcy,

  Michael isn't *running away* from prosecution ("persecution" might be
a better term, since "prosecution" could imply a valid legal
authority), he's campaigning normally.

  As for the opposition using a scandal to knock someone out of the
race, I don't see how this could happen without a candidate being well
enough known so that a public backlash against him would have some
effect. If they want to make Michael better known so that they can
employ this strategy, I say bring it on!

  I think I agree with the people who were advising Michael to let the
IRS come after him and let the chips fall where they may. My guess is
they would not want to go after him, at least until after the election,
because it would just give the whole tax protest movement more
visibility. It's a different game than going after a tax evader who
doesn't question the legitimacy of the whole operation.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

Here we go again. If we are not turning blue, we are spitting in
someone's face, or running away from prosecusion (I am thinking of
one of our earlier presidential hopefuls). It is all well and good
to have lofty ideals, such as refusing to pay income tax; but what is
the point of running for public office, when you know the opposition
(if they bother to take you seriously at all) will use your breaking
the law to knock you out of the race. The law is the law; if you
don't like it work to change it via the ballot box.

Thanks to Mike Denny for the great article on "clothes make the man;"
but it looks to me that should the Badnarik ariticle on taxes be true
(and I hope it is not), we need to change not only the way we dress,
but also the way we view what constitutes a viable political party.

Marcy

  Michael Badnarik does not "owe" taxes. Free people do

not "owe"

anything to government. Government "wants to collect" a particular
amount from him. Anyone willing to take the risk of defying the

immoral

and possibly illegal collection of income taxes deserves our
appreciation and gratitude.

        <<< Starchild >>>

Dear Steve or Anyone Else;

Is the article correct about Badnarik's not filing tax returns???

If

so, whoever knows Badnarik well enough needs to make absolutely
certain he does get all those missing tax returns filed

immediately.

If he owed taxes on the returns he did not file he is

literally facing

criminal prosecution on non-filing charges and income tax

evasion.

That is not a joke. I work for a tax attorney and I speak from
knowledge of what the IRS does to non-return filers. They are

called

show case trials. And are designed to be a lesson to those who

have

not filed to get filed. And the quicker the better.

As a presidential candidate for a minority party he is a

primetime

candidate for criminal prosecution as a showcase trail. If a

Special

Agent of the IRS talks with Badnarik about his missing tax

returns I

can guarantee Michael is under criminal investigation.

For the record the sequence of events is 1. Letter from the IRS.

2.

Letter from Taxpayer Representative 3. A call or visit from a

Revenue

Agent. 4. A visit from a Special Agent.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Steve Dekorte <steve@d...> wrote:

http://www.libertyunbound.com/

-- Steve

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Starchild,

1. Prosecution is what I meant, and I specifically said I was
thinking of an earlear candidate (not Michael); we old timers
remember Moreau. And yes, you are correct that a candidate needs to
be "well enough known" (i.e., "taken seriously" were my words) for a
confrontation to occur...and I do not mean well enough known because
the press ran with the headlines "Presidential hopeful arrested for
tax evasion." Anyway, I believe one needs to choose between being a
candidate for public office or being a maverick on the edges of the
law. Or, as Rob commented, being Rosa Parks (a courageous private
citizen not running for office).

2. By the way, even if the article is true, not filing tax returns
is not necessarily against the law, since there is an earnings
threshold below which you need not file.

Marcy

Marcy,

  Michael isn't *running away* from prosecution ("persecution"

might be

a better term, since "prosecution" could imply a valid legal
authority), he's campaigning normally.

  As for the opposition using a scandal to knock someone out of

the

race, I don't see how this could happen without a candidate being

well

enough known so that a public backlash against him would have some
effect. If they want to make Michael better known so that they can
employ this strategy, I say bring it on!

  I think I agree with the people who were advising Michael to

let the

IRS come after him and let the chips fall where they may. My guess

is

they would not want to go after him, at least until after the

election,

because it would just give the whole tax protest movement more
visibility. It's a different game than going after a tax evader who
doesn't question the legitimacy of the whole operation.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

> Here we go again. If we are not turning blue, we are spitting in
> someone's face, or running away from prosecusion (I am thinking of
> one of our earlier presidential hopefuls). It is all well and

good

> to have lofty ideals, such as refusing to pay income tax; but

what is

> the point of running for public office, when you know the

opposition

> (if they bother to take you seriously at all) will use your

breaking

> the law to knock you out of the race. The law is the law; if you
> don't like it work to change it via the ballot box.
>
> Thanks to Mike Denny for the great article on "clothes make the

man;"

> but it looks to me that should the Badnarik ariticle on taxes be

true

> (and I hope it is not), we need to change not only the way we

dress,

> but also the way we view what constitutes a viable political

party.

>
>
> Marcy
>
>
>
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>

wrote:

>> Michael Badnarik does not "owe" taxes. Free people do
> not "owe"
>> anything to government. Government "wants to collect" a

particular

>> amount from him. Anyone willing to take the risk of defying the
> immoral
>> and possibly illegal collection of income taxes deserves our
>> appreciation and gratitude.
>>
>> <<< Starchild >>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Dear Steve or Anyone Else;
>>>
>>> Is the article correct about Badnarik's not filing tax

returns???

> If
>>> so, whoever knows Badnarik well enough needs to make absolutely
>>> certain he does get all those missing tax returns filed
> immediately.
>>>
>>> If he owed taxes on the returns he did not file he is
> literally facing
>>> criminal prosecution on non-filing charges and income tax
> evasion.
>>> That is not a joke. I work for a tax attorney and I speak from
>>> knowledge of what the IRS does to non-return filers. They are
> called
>>> show case trials. And are designed to be a lesson to those who
> have
>>> not filed to get filed. And the quicker the better.
>>>
>>> As a presidential candidate for a minority party he is a
> primetime
>>> candidate for criminal prosecution as a showcase trail. If a
> Special
>>> Agent of the IRS talks with Badnarik about his missing tax
> returns I
>>> can guarantee Michael is under criminal investigation.
>>>
>>> For the record the sequence of events is 1. Letter from the IRS.
> 2.
>>> Letter from Taxpayer Representative 3. A call or visit from a
> Revenue
>>> Agent. 4. A visit from a Special Agent.
>>>
>>> Ron Getty
>>> SF Libertarian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Dekorte <steve@d...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.libertyunbound.com/
>>>
>>> -- Steve
>
>
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