Mike ter Maat for President

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Sorry to hear that Mike – I thought your question about plans was suggesting that you planned to attend.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

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dennz https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dennz
November 11
I won’t be able to make it.

Mike

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dennz https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dennz
October 25
Libs I got an announcement there is an event November 12 @ 3PM for him. Any plans? Michael Denny Libertarian Party of San Francisco www.LPSF.org http://www.lpsf.org/http://www.lpsf.org/ http://www.lpsf.org/ No On Prop A www.badsfbonds.blogspot.com http://www.badsfbonds.blogspot.com/http://www.badsfbonds.blogspot.com/ http://www.badsfbonds.blogspot.com/www.DennyForMayor.com http://www.dennyformayor.com/http://www.dennyformayor.com/ http://www.dennyformayor.com/ -…
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FRNP https://forum.lpsf.org/u/frnp
November 10
That is Superb News!

Starchild https://forum.lpsf.org/u/starchild
November 10
Hi Mike,

Sorry I overlooked your previous message. Just confirmed with Mike ter Maat that he will be coming in person to our meeting this Saturday (Nov. 12) at the main library (3-5pm, 3rd floor Paley conference room).

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

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dennz https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dennz
November 10
What’s going on, where and when?

Mike

Michael F Denny
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FRNP https://forum.lpsf.org/u/frnp
November 10
Is the LPSF going to video record His Stump Speech & Q&A for those who cannot attend but wish to be fully aware of candidates who may ( or may not ) be ready for the heated limelight of the big leagues ? Will Mike be taking questions from LPSF members & associates on local issues ?

Thanks!

mARTy
dennz https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dennz
October 25
Libs

I got an announcement there is an event November 12 @ 3PM for him. Any plans?

Michael Denny
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No On Prop A www.badsfbonds.blogspot.com http://www.badsfbonds.blogspot.com/http://www.badsfbonds.blogspot.com/ http://www.badsfbonds.blogspot.com/
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I was but involved in another organization planning a meeting at the same time. Can’t be two places at once. And this other group is a priority.

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November 11

Sorry to hear that Mike – I thought your question about plans was suggesting that you planned to attend.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))
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Sorry to hear the LPSF is (by implication) not a priority for you! Is this other group in some way advancing liberty? Hope so…

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Liberty for the Unborn……the oldest (50 years) Pro-Life non-profit in Nor Cal. With a substantial endowment. They are looking for a Treasurer and website designer.

Although, after Prop 1 passing 2 to 1, it seems nearly, but not quite, as hopeless a cause as a Libertarian presidential candidate’s chances for even a modicum of public support or even awareness. But I wish him well.

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November 11

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Marty,

I don’t know whether Mike ter Maat is at all familiar with local SF issues. Given that he’s a national candidate living in Virginia I would not expect him to be focused on those, but I don’t think there’s any harm in asking him how he would approach a local issue.

Making recordings of our guest speakers would be nice. Do you have any experience/interest/equipment for making/uploading/editing video content?

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

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FRNP https://forum.lpsf.org/u/frnp
November 10
Is the LPSF going to video record His Stump Speech & Q&A for those who cannot attend but wish to be fully aware of candidates who may ( or may not ) be ready for the heated limelight of the big leagues ? Will Mike be taking questions from LPSF members & associates on local issues ?

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dennz https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dennz
October 25
Libs

I got an announcement there is an event November 12 @ 3PM for him. Any plans?

Michael Denny
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After initially being pro-choice on abortion and then leaning more toward pro-life for a while, over recent years I’ve become more pro-choice again. While I’m not comfortable with late-term abortions, as with other things I’m not comfortable with (e.g. factory farming, eating meat) I don’t think that trying to criminalize the activities in question is the best approach. Too much danger in empowering government to enforce more laws. Is this pro-life group only focused on the laws, or have they considered using other less government-centric methods to try to reduce abortion? For instance, trying to fund research into more effective birth control, early pregnancy detection, or better options to remove a fetus from the womb allow it to gestate in an artificial environment without killing it?

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

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We just want people to stop murdering innocent lives. We will accept the use government force if possible as we would with any other murderer. But we prefer if people are simply horrified by the evil immoral nature of it and cease and desist by any means necessary. All the rest doesn’t matter.

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November 11

After initially being pro-choice on abortion and then leaning more toward pro-life for a while, over recent years I’ve become more pro-choice again. While I’m not comfortable with late-term abortions, as with other things I’m not comfortable with (e.g. factory farming, eating meat) I don’t think that trying to criminalize the activities in question is the best approach. Too much danger in empowering government to enforce more laws. Is this pro-life group only focused on the laws, or have they considered using other less government-centric methods to try to reduce abortion? For instance, trying to fund research into more effective birth control, early pregnancy detection, or better options to remove a fetus from the womb allow it to gestate in an artificial environment without killing it?

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

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I’m curious Starchild, how would you feel if I started a business taking pre-born animals (right up to the moment of conception) out of the wombs of their mother to sell for food? I guess they wouldn’t be cows or sheep or whatever as they weren’t born yet. So there wouldn’t be any killing? No abuse?

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We just want people to stop murdering innocent lives. We will accept the use government force if possible as we would with any other murderer. But we prefer if people are simply horrified by the evil immoral nature of it and cease and desist by any means necessary. All the rest doesn’t matter.

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Starchildhttps://forum.lpsf.org/u/starchild
November 11

After initially being pro-choice on abortion and then leaning more toward pro-life for a while, over recent years I’ve become more pro-choice again. While I’m not comfortable with late-term abortions, as with other things I’m not comfortable with (e.g. factory farming, eating meat) I don’t think that trying to criminalize the activities in question is the best approach. Too much danger in empowering government to enforce more laws. Is this pro-life group only focused on the laws, or have they considered using other less government-centric methods to try to reduce abortion? For instance, trying to fund research into more effective birth control, early pregnancy detection, or better options to remove a fetus from the womb allow it to gestate in an artificial environment without killing it?

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

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Since Starchild is a vegetarian that’s at least one reason he may not feel happy about it.

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November 11
I’m curious Starchild, how would you feel if I started a business taking pre-born animals (right up to the moment of conception) out of the wombs of their mother to sell for food? I guess they wouldn’t be cows or sheep or whatever as they weren’t born yet. So there wouldn’t be any killing? No abuse?

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Part of the reason he’s against eating meat is it involves killing animals. But what if they weren’t animals before they were born?

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November 11

Since Starchild is a vegetarian that’s at least one reason he may not feel happy about it.

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Dear Starchild,

Yes, they are advancing liberty. They are called Live and Let Live and have pro-liberty chapters in 31 countries. Consider becoming a member: LiveandLetLive.org. Do you favor their approach as I do?

Warm regards, Michael

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November 11
Sorry to hear the LPSF is (by implication) not a priority for you! Is this other group in some way advancing liberty? Hope so…

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Mike,

Then Starchild (and I) would be against eating meat because it’s unhealthy. Eating meat is associated with heart disease, cancer, and diabetes.

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Michael R. Edelstein, Ph.D.
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November 11
Part of the reason he’s against eating meat is it involves killing animals. But what if they weren’t animals before they were born?

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Thats a separate discussion. It seems to be one of those topics like with doctors and confessors (and now scientists), where you can always find one to tell you what you want to hear.

But back to the issue of killing prominent previously.

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November 11

Mike,

Then Starchild (and I) would be against eating meat because it’s unhealthy. Eating meat is associated with heart disease, cancer, and diabetes.

Warm regards, Michael

Michael R. Edelstein, Ph.D.
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Hi Mike,

Most likely people would care if little puppies were being aborted. There’s a good interview with of Yeonmi Park by Lex Fridman about how the world is ignoring the genocide in North Korea but we gotta protect the puppies.

As someone who’s coming across the abortion issue in his own relationship, I’ll tell you this: shit changes when you’re actually trying to have a kid. Men who aren’t trying don’t have the same perspective as men who are. Men who aren’t attracted to women definitely have a different perspective because it’s not likely a reality that they have to actually think about the consequences. And all of us have a different perspective than women. It’s a tough issue that you have to weigh against your soul.

Chris Mendes
Chair, LPSF

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Thank you Chris……yes, the disconnect is astounding.

And subjectively, people are all over the place on the topic. But objectively and historically, new life (personhood) is a gift to us that begins at conception.

I’ve followed all the Libertarian discussions on the topic notably Walter Block and his various debates. And think there’s something to it and that technology will enable new options in the future. But for now, we are dealing with a life or death situation.

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November 11

Hi Mike,

Most likely people would care if little puppies were being aborted. There’s a good interview with of Yeonmi Park by Lex Fridman about how the world is ignoring the genocide in North Korea but we gotta protect the puppies.

YouTubehttps://www.youtube.com/embed/usDqSEKDVsA?autoplay=1&feature=oembed&wmode=opaque

As someone who’s coming across the abortion issue in his own relationship, I’ll tell you this: shit changes when you’re actually trying to have a kid. Men who aren’t trying don’t have the same perspective as men who are. Men who aren’t attracted to women definitely have a different perspective because it’s not likely a reality that they have to actually think about the consequences. And all of us have a different perspective than women. It’s a tough issue that you have to weigh against your soul.

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Couple that with the move to transition (e.g. sterilize) a large portion of a generation and you get declining population. It’s incredibly scary for the human race.

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Fatal……human beings are the greatest natural resource on the planet.

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Couple that with the move to transition (e.g. sterilize) a large portion of a generation and you get declining population. It’s incredibly scary for the human race.

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Michael,

My message below was actually a reply to Mike Denny, who mentioned he was attending another group’s meeting happening at the same time as the LPSF meeting tomorrow. One shortcoming of the Forum email lists is they apparently do not show the individual to whom a message is responding in the headers, only the list address. Also, you don’t see the full context of what message(s) an email is responding to unless you click on the link and go to the Forum website.

Please note however that I generally refer to Mike Denny as “Mike” and you (Michael Edelstein) as “Michael”, which may help reduce confusion.

Love & Liberty,

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On Nov 11, 2022, at 8:29 AM, Dr. Michael R. Edelstein dredelstein@threeminutetherapy.com wrote:

Dear Starchild,

Yes, they are advancing liberty. They are called Live and Let Live and have pro-liberty chapters in 31 countries. Consider becoming a member: LiveandLetLive.org http://liveandletlive.org/. Do you favor their approach as I do?

Warm regards, Michael

Michael R. Edelstein, Ph.D.
Clinical Psychologist
415-673-2848 (24/7)
http://ThreeMinuteTherapy.com http://threeminutetherapy.com/

Co-author of Three Minute Therapy http://www.threeminutetherapy.com/
with David Ramsay Steele, Ph.D.
Features help for anxiety, depression,
relationships, panic attacks, addiction

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Hi Chris,

I definitely care about genocide (more technically democide, a term that I encourage libertarians to use more frequently – it refers to governments killing “their own” people) in places like North Korea. But this doesn’t mean I can’t also care about the vast and unnecessary slaughter and suffering of non-human animals for human consumption.

I’m curious in what sense(s) your perspective about abortion changed when trying to have a kid, and why. I am attracted to women, for the record, and could see have a kid or kids someday with the right person. But I’m not sure either of these things have factored at all into my feelings about the issue. It is a tough one, for sure.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

P.S. – Good to see some vigorous intellectual discussion on this list again, it’s been slow lately. Such discussion helps us all refine and improve our thinking and understanding of issues related to libertarianism and freedom.

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On Nov 11, 2022, at 9:04 AM, CDMendes via LPSF Forum noreply@forum.lpsf.org wrote:

CDMendes https://forum.lpsf.org/u/cdmendes
November 11
Hi Mike,

Most likely people would care if little puppies were being aborted. There’s a good interview with of Yeonmi Park by Lex Fridman about how the world is ignoring the genocide in North Korea but we gotta protect the puppies.

YouTube https://www.youtube.com/embed/usDqSEKDVsA?autoplay=1&feature=oembed&wmode=opaque
As someone who’s coming across the abortion issue in his own relationship, I’ll tell you this: shit changes when you’re actually trying to have a kid. Men who aren’t trying don’t have the same perspective as men who are. Men who aren’t attracted to women definitely have a different perspective because it’s not likely a reality that they have to actually think about the consequences. And all of us have a different perspective than women. It’s a tough issue that you have to weigh against your soul.

Chris Mendes
Chair, LPSF

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dennz https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dennz
November 11
I’m curious Starchild, how would you feel if I started a business taking pre-born animals (right up to the moment of conception) out of the wombs of their mother to sell for food? I guess they wouldn’t be cows or sheep or whatever as they weren’t born yet. So there wouldn’t be any killing? No abuse? …
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dennz https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dennz
November 11
Thats a separate discussion. It seems to be one of those topics like with doctors and confessors (and now scientists), where you can always find one to tell you what you want to hear.

But back to the issue of killing prominent previously.

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dredelstein https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dredelstein
November 11
Mike,

Then Starchild (and I) would be against eating meat because it’s unhealthy. Eating meat is associated with heart disease, cancer, and diabetes.

Warm regards, Michael

Michael R. Edelstein, Ph.D.
Clinical Psychologist
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Co-author of Three Minute Therapy http://www.threeminutetherapy.com/ http://www.threeminutetherapy.com/
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Features help for anxiety, depression,
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dredelstein https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dredelstein
November 11
Dear Starchild,

Yes, they are advancing liberty. They are called Live and Let Live and have pro-liberty chapters in 31 countries. Consider becoming a member: LiveandLetLive.org http://liveandletlive.org/. Do you favor their approach as I do?

Warm regards, Michael

Michael R. Edelstein, Ph.D.
Clinical Psychologist
415-673-2848 (24/7)
http://ThreeMinuteTherapy.com http://threeminutetherapy.com/
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with David Ramsay Steele, Ph.D.
Features help for anxiety, depression,
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dennz https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dennz
November 11
Part of the reason he’s against eating meat is it involves killing animals. But what if they weren’t animals before they were born?

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dredelstein https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dredelstein
November 11
Since Starchild is a vegetarian that’s at least one reason he may not feel happy about it.

Warm regards, Michael

Michael R. Edelstein, Ph.D.
Clinical Psychologist
415-673-2848 (24/7)
http://ThreeMinuteTherapy.com http://threeminutetherapy.com/
Co-author of Three Minute Therapy http://www.threeminutetherapy.com/ http://www.threeminutetherapy.com/
with David Ramsay Steele, Ph.D.
Features help for anxiety, depression,
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Mike,

I don’t see any disconnect between caring about different issues. Catholics can care about the unborn without that concern resulting in a “disconnect” with their care for the poor, no?

Life and personhood are two different things. Eggs and sperm are alive, but I don’t think anyone considers them people. I don’t consider a zygote to be a person either. Exactly when personhood begins is a matter for scientific debate it seems to me, but I do not think it begins at the moment of conception or shortly thereafter. A clump of cells seems essentially no more a person to me than an egg or a sperm; neither are viable on their own, nor do they have other key characteristics of personhood.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

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On Nov 11, 2022, at 9:15 AM, mike@dennz.com via LPSF Forum noreply@forum.lpsf.org wrote:

dennz https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dennz
November 11
Thank you Chris……yes, the disconnect is astounding.

And subjectively, people are all over the place on the topic. But objectively and historically, new life (personhood) is a gift to us that begins at conception.

I’ve followed all the Libertarian discussions on the topic notably Walter Block and his various debates. And think there’s something to it and that technology will enable new options in the future. But for now, we are dealing with a life or death situation.

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November 11
We just want people to stop murdering innocent lives. We will accept the use government force if possible as we would with any other murderer. But we prefer if people are simply horrified by the evil immoral nature of it and cease and desist by any means necessary. All the rest doesn’t matter. ··· (click for more details) https://forum.lpsf.org/t/mike-ter-maat-for-president/21735/13
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CDMendes https://forum.lpsf.org/u/cdmendes
November 11
Hi Mike,

Most likely people would care if little puppies were being aborted. There’s a good interview with of Yeonmi Park by Lex Fridman about how the world is ignoring the genocide in North Korea but we gotta protect the puppies.

YouTube https://www.youtube.com/embed/usDqSEKDVsA?autoplay=1&feature=oembed&wmode=opaque
As someone who’s coming across the abortion issue in his own relationship, I’ll tell you this: shit changes when you’re actually trying to have a kid. Men who aren’t trying don’t have the same perspective as men who are. Men who aren’t attracted to women definitely have a different perspective because it’s not likely a reality that they have to actually think about the consequences. And all of us have a different perspective than women. It’s a tough issue that you have to weigh against your soul.

Chris Mendes
Chair, LPSF

dennz https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dennz
November 11
Thats a separate discussion. It seems to be one of those topics like with doctors and confessors (and now scientists), where you can always find one to tell you what you want to hear.

But back to the issue of killing prominent previously.

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dredelstein https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dredelstein
November 11
Mike,

Then Starchild (and I) would be against eating meat because it’s unhealthy. Eating meat is associated with heart disease, cancer, and diabetes.

Warm regards, Michael

Michael R. Edelstein, Ph.D.
Clinical Psychologist
415-673-2848 (24/7)
http://ThreeMinuteTherapy.com http://threeminutetherapy.com/
Co-author of Three Minute Therapy http://www.threeminutetherapy.com/ http://www.threeminutetherapy.com/
with David Ramsay Steele, Ph.D.
Features help for anxiety, depression,
relationships, panic attacks, addiction

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dredelstein https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dredelstein
November 11
Dear Starchild,

Yes, they are advancing liberty. They are called Live and Let Live and have pro-liberty chapters in 31 countries. Consider becoming a member: LiveandLetLive.org http://liveandletlive.org/. Do you favor their approach as I do?

Warm regards, Michael

Michael R. Edelstein, Ph.D.
Clinical Psychologist
415-673-2848 (24/7)
http://ThreeMinuteTherapy.com http://threeminutetherapy.com/
Co-author of Three Minute Therapy http://www.threeminutetherapy.com/ http://www.threeminutetherapy.com/
with David Ramsay Steele, Ph.D.
Features help for anxiety, depression,
relationships, panic attacks, addiction

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dennz https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dennz
November 11
Part of the reason he’s against eating meat is it involves killing animals. But what if they weren’t animals before they were born?

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