[LouisianaLibertarians] Badnarik Must Pull Anti-Liberty New Mexico TV Ad

From: Carol Moore in dc
To: LP KY; Louisiana Lib; LVofFL; LPNC; LPNC; LP-WI; minnlib-d;

OKLP-discuss

Sent: 8/10/04 2:33 PM
Subject: [LouisianaLibertarians] Badnarik Must Pull Anti-Liberty New

Mexico

TV Ad

Thanks to Starchild for pointing out that Badnarik's new New Mexico

ad

make's "illegal immigration" a top issue. At the end it also says
"Protect our Borders." See http://badnarik.org

Did Aaron Russo do the ad, by any chance? Considering that it ends

with

"all your freedoms, all the time" I would not be surprised. If so,

it

confirms my allegations last spring that Russo would make

restricting

immigration a top issue and that really is the CLEAR message sent by

the

ad.

The LP PLatform http://lp.org/issues/platform
<http://lp.org/issues/platform> says NOTHING about restricting

illegal

immigration and protecting our borders. (Text in Starchild message
below.) Michael Badnarik obtained the nomination after delegates

were

told the LP Platform was his campaign platform. Geoff Neale stated

this

to the delegates. A delegate asked about it the next day and Neale
repeated it. I myself asked Badnarik about it between the 2nd and

3rd

ballots and he said the LP platform was his campaign platform.
***Michael Badnarik's personal integrity is on the line if this ad
continues to run.***

I'm sure it's got lots of people scratching their heads about why
LIBERTARIANS are ranting about illegal immigration and protecting

our

borders when the GOVERNMENT, not illegal immigrants, is the one
depriving us of our rights!!! I think most libertarians agree
immigration is just too controversial and/or nuanced an issue to be
dealt with in ANY advertising and should ONLY be dealt with in

detailed

position papers and in answers to direct questions on the issue.

This ad should be pulled immediately

If you agree email: campaignmanager@…
<mailto:campaignmanager@…> and

communications@...

<mailto:communications@…>
Carol in dc

Starchild wrote:

I just viewed the "Protecting Our Rights" TV ad (currently running

in

New Mexico) on the Badnarik website, and I am very disturbed by what

I

saw.

The first thing out of Michael's mouth after "Hi, I'm Michael

Badnarik

and I approve this message," is "Are you disgusted with the welfare
system and illegal immigration?" while a visual shows a prisoner

being

led away in custody and a message on the screen reads, "Want to END
welfare and illegal immigration?

Then at the end of the ad, at the start of the donation pitch, the
announcer says, "Donate generously now and protect our borders..."

This is NOT what I signed up for. It is as bad as Aaron Russo's

message

was before he agreed to change his focus from criticizing "illegal"
immigration to focusing on the positive end goal of open borders and
saying we need to get rid of the welfare system so we can get there.

If I am not mistaken, Michael Badnarik said he would run on the
Libertarian Party platform. At least that's what it says on our

national

website, and that was my impression from the convention as well.

Part of

that platform is our call for the elimination of restrictions on
immigration and full amnesty for "illegal" immigrants. Badnarik's TV

ad

conveys exactly the OPPOSITE message. Apparently the mixed messages

the

campaign has been sending (see various quotes below) is already

leading

some people to think we are not for open borders. It is blatant
misrepresentation of the LP platform that in my opinion verges on
flat-out dishonesty.

The past few weeks, I have been writing a ton of emails, making

phone

calls, etc., on Michael's behalf. This TV ad is the kind of thing

that

will really make me think twice about that kind of commitment if

it's

not corrected. Yes I will still vote for Michael as the Libertarian
nominee regardless, but I see this as a serious, serious problem. If

the

campaign doesn't address it, I may choose to put my further efforts
elsewhere this year.

Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>

------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Badnarik in a June 8 interview with FoxNews:

"The Libertarian position on immigration is to have, not open

borders

with no restrictions, but to have controlled borders that allow
hard-working people to come into America to help raise their

standard of

living and improve the American economy."

Actually the Libertarian position on immigration IS to have open

borders

with no restrictions:

------------------------------------------------------------
>From the Libertarian Party's 2004 platform:

Immigration
The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the
efforts of U.S. officials to create a new "Berlin Wall" which would

keep

them captive. We condemn the U.S. government's policy of barring

those

refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting

their

passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic

prospects.

The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or
abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens

should

not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about
unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for

reasons

of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We

oppose

government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as

we

oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and

others

by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing
required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that
punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures

repress

free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage

employers

from hiring Hispanics.

Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions

on

immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization

Service

and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all

people

who have entered the country illegally.

------------------------------------------------------------
Found on an Internet message board (emphasis added):

"Bush and Kerry are flip sides of the same coin. BOTH WANT OPEN

BORDERS,

gun control, handing US sovereignty over the UN bit by bit, all with

the

end game of a high tech police state with a terrorized populus. They

are

both globalists of the highest level. It's the same as a Bush/Kerry
ticket. If you believe the US Constitution is the law of the land,

then

get out of the fake left/right paradigm and WAKE UP TO THE

LIBERTARIAN

STANCE on real issues.

------------------------------------------------------------
-Former LNC member Steve Trinward explaining some of the appeal that

the

promise of a fully principled, libertarian, Badnarik campaign had to
Atlanta delegates in his Rational Review column, June 14:

"No more bouts of people boarding the Liberty train, due to some
specific part of our message, and then suddenly discovering our

position

on drugs, guns, borders or gay marriage ... and running back to the
Demeaucrats and Republicants again!"

------------------------------------------------------------
>From a June 3, 2004 World's Smallest Political Quiz taken by

Michael

Badnarik (online at http://www.dischord.net/wspq-scans.php
<http://www.dischord.net/wspq-scans.php> ):

Let peaceful people cross borders
freely...................................(circled "Y" for "yes")

------------------------------------------------------------
And finally, this from the Libertarian Party's national website (
http://www.lp.org/issues/campplat/

<http://www.lp.org/issues/campplat/>

):

"MICHAEL BADNARIK HAS ACCEPTED THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY PLATFORM AS HIS
CAMPAIGN PLATFORM." (emphasis added)

------------------------------------------------------------
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Dear Everyone;

Thanks for the tip off about the New Mexico ad message error Michael Badnarik is espousing.

If you wish to message the Badnarik campaign about the anit-immigration and anti-open border stance which is contrary to the Libertarian Platform as shown in the New Mexico TV ad a little personalization would be in order:

Campaign Manager Fred Collins
Asst. Campaign ManagerBarbara Goushaw-Collins

                      CampaignManager@...

Be nice and polite and courteous but let them know the errors of their ways are costing supporters support in support of the campaign. And not just a little angst among Libertarians.

The link is for an excellent article about immigration from The Foundation for Economic Education. And should be read by anyone who is anti-immigration. The article has a number of good talking points to refute anyone who is anti-immigration.

                http://www.fee.org/vnews.php?nid=232

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

"Dr. Michael R. Edelstein" <dredelstein@...> wrote:

From: Carol Moore in dc
To: LP KY; Louisiana Lib; LVofFL; LPNC; LPNC; LP-WI; minnlib-d;

OKLP-discuss

Sent: 8/10/04 2:33 PM
Subject: [LouisianaLibertarians] Badnarik Must Pull Anti-Liberty New

Mexico

TV Ad

Thanks to Starchild for pointing out that Badnarik's new New Mexico

ad

make's "illegal immigration" a top issue. At the end it also says
"Protect our Borders." See http://badnarik.org

Did Aaron Russo do the ad, by any chance? Considering that it ends

with

"all your freedoms, all the time" I would not be surprised. If so,

it

confirms my allegations last spring that Russo would make

restricting

immigration a top issue and that really is the CLEAR message sent by

the

ad.

The LP PLatform http://lp.org/issues/platform
<http://lp.org/issues/platform> says NOTHING about restricting

illegal

immigration and protecting our borders. (Text in Starchild message
below.) Michael Badnarik obtained the nomination after delegates

were

told the LP Platform was his campaign platform. Geoff Neale stated

this

to the delegates. A delegate asked about it the next day and Neale
repeated it. I myself asked Badnarik about it between the 2nd and

3rd

ballots and he said the LP platform was his campaign platform.
***Michael Badnarik's personal integrity is on the line if this ad
continues to run.***

I'm sure it's got lots of people scratching their heads about why
LIBERTARIANS are ranting about illegal immigration and protecting

our

borders when the GOVERNMENT, not illegal immigrants, is the one
depriving us of our rights!!! I think most libertarians agree
immigration is just too controversial and/or nuanced an issue to be
dealt with in ANY advertising and should ONLY be dealt with in

detailed

position papers and in answers to direct questions on the issue.

This ad should be pulled immediately

If you agree email: campaignmanager@…
<mailto:campaignmanager@…> and

communications@...

<mailto:communications@…>
Carol in dc

Starchild wrote:

I just viewed the "Protecting Our Rights" TV ad (currently running

in

New Mexico) on the Badnarik website, and I am very disturbed by what

I

saw.

The first thing out of Michael's mouth after "Hi, I'm Michael

Badnarik

and I approve this message," is "Are you disgusted with the welfare
system and illegal immigration?" while a visual shows a prisoner

being

led away in custody and a message on the screen reads, "Want to END
welfare and illegal immigration?

Then at the end of the ad, at the start of the donation pitch, the
announcer says, "Donate generously now and protect our borders..."

This is NOT what I signed up for. It is as bad as Aaron Russo's

message

was before he agreed to change his focus from criticizing "illegal"
immigration to focusing on the positive end goal of open borders and
saying we need to get rid of the welfare system so we can get there.

If I am not mistaken, Michael Badnarik said he would run on the
Libertarian Party platform. At least that's what it says on our

national

website, and that was my impression from the convention as well.

Part of

that platform is our call for the elimination of restrictions on
immigration and full amnesty for "illegal" immigrants. Badnarik's TV

ad

conveys exactly the OPPOSITE message. Apparently the mixed messages

the

campaign has been sending (see various quotes below) is already

leading

some people to think we are not for open borders. It is blatant
misrepresentation of the LP platform that in my opinion verges on
flat-out dishonesty.

The past few weeks, I have been writing a ton of emails, making

phone

calls, etc., on Michael's behalf. This TV ad is the kind of thing

that

will really make me think twice about that kind of commitment if

it's

not corrected. Yes I will still vote for Michael as the Libertarian
nominee regardless, but I see this as a serious, serious problem. If

the

campaign doesn't address it, I may choose to put my further efforts
elsewhere this year.

Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>

------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Badnarik in a June 8 interview with FoxNews:

"The Libertarian position on immigration is to have, not open

borders

with no restrictions, but to have controlled borders that allow
hard-working people to come into America to help raise their

standard of

living and improve the American economy."

Actually the Libertarian position on immigration IS to have open

borders

with no restrictions:

------------------------------------------------------------
>From the Libertarian Party's 2004 platform:

Immigration
The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the
efforts of U.S. officials to create a new "Berlin Wall" which would

keep

them captive. We condemn the U.S. government's policy of barring

those

refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting

their

passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic

prospects.

The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or
abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens

should

not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about
unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for

reasons

of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We

oppose

government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as

we

oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and

others

by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing
required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that
punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures

repress

free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage

employers

from hiring Hispanics.

Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions

on

immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization

Service

and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all

people

who have entered the country illegally.

------------------------------------------------------------
Found on an Internet message board (emphasis added):

"Bush and Kerry are flip sides of the same coin. BOTH WANT OPEN

BORDERS,

gun control, handing US sovereignty over the UN bit by bit, all with

the

end game of a high tech police state with a terrorized populus. They

are

both globalists of the highest level. It's the same as a Bush/Kerry
ticket. If you believe the US Constitution is the law of the land,

then

get out of the fake left/right paradigm and WAKE UP TO THE

LIBERTARIAN

STANCE on real issues.

------------------------------------------------------------
-Former LNC member Steve Trinward explaining some of the appeal that

the

promise of a fully principled, libertarian, Badnarik campaign had to
Atlanta delegates in his Rational Review column, June 14:

"No more bouts of people boarding the Liberty train, due to some
specific part of our message, and then suddenly discovering our

position

on drugs, guns, borders or gay marriage ... and running back to the
Demeaucrats and Republicants again!"

------------------------------------------------------------
>From a June 3, 2004 World's Smallest Political Quiz taken by

Michael

Badnarik (online at http://www.dischord.net/wspq-scans.php
<http://www.dischord.net/wspq-scans.php> ):

Let peaceful people cross borders
freely...................................(circled "Y" for "yes")

------------------------------------------------------------
And finally, this from the Libertarian Party's national website (
http://www.lp.org/issues/campplat/

<http://www.lp.org/issues/campplat/>

):

"MICHAEL BADNARIK HAS ACCEPTED THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY PLATFORM AS HIS
CAMPAIGN PLATFORM." (emphasis added)

------------------------------------------------------------
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Thanks for the tip off about the New Mexico ad message error Michael
Badnarik is espousing.

I just watched the ad, and I share folks' disappointment.

To play Michael's advocate for a moment, though: he doesn't say *how* he
would end illegal immigration. One way would be to make it legal...

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Some folks on the Badnarik list have come to his defense by suggesting that interpretation. Unfortunately even if that *was* the intent, it doesn't change the fact that the ad still *looks* like an anti-immigration message to the casual viewer, and that's what most people will take away from it. And running an ad where you appear to say one thing but are in fact meaning something closer to the opposite would tend to call a candidate's judgment or integrity into question. In some ways I think that would be an even worse scenario. The whole thing is a shame, because in terms of the presentation (format, music, etc.), I thought it was the strongest ad of the bunch. I just wish they'd used different content. At this point I agree with Carol Moore that it's damage control time and they should pull it immediately.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

Dear Starchild;

YOU!! AGREE!!! WITH!!! Carol Moore ???

I'm shocked! I'm shocked! This must mean there's gambling going on in the backroom!! We'll have to shut the place down!!!

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

P.S. The above alliteration is a paraphrased rendition of a key scene form Casablanca. For zero prize money and no gold star next to your name - name the character actor who first got the Letter of Transit and even impressed Rick with how he got it. For extra no reward points describe where he got the Letter of Transit.

Starchild <sfdreamer@...> wrote:
      Some folks on the Badnarik list have come to his defense by suggesting
that interpretation. Unfortunately even if that *was* the intent, it
doesn't change the fact that the ad still *looks* like an
anti-immigration message to the casual viewer, and that's what most
people will take away from it. And running an ad where you appear to
say one thing but are in fact meaning something closer to the opposite
would tend to call a candidate's judgment or integrity into question.
In some ways I think that would be an even worse scenario. The whole
thing is a shame, because in terms of the presentation (format, music,
etc.), I thought it was the strongest ad of the bunch. I just wish
they'd used different content. At this point I agree with Carol Moore
that it's damage control time and they should pull it immediately.

Yours in liberty,
                        <<< Starchild >>>

I just watched the ad, and I share folks' disappointment.

To play Michael's advocate for a moment, though: he doesn't say

*how* he

would end illegal immigration. One way would be to make it legal...

A statement near the end of the ad indicates MB wishes to protect the
borders. I guess he could do this by abolishing them.