and Brian, just for the record, I have been immersed in Black culture most of my life. I went to a 98 percent black junior high, I lived in what could only be called the ghetto when in Grad School , and in another part of the city later on. Baltimore has been a majority black city much of my adult living there. So my concerns are not armchair and come from the heart. Black folks, like jews are largely culturally Democratic. It is very difficult culturally to go against the grain. This is no fault of libertarians. Change sometimes happens below the surface , and suddenly emerges out of nowhere. There is an undercurrent of independence in the black community., and much dissatifaction with the status quo so called leaders. Change could flower at any time.