Hmm... according to the process described below, the deadline for
submitting ballot measure proposals (midnight Sunday) has come and
gone, and I didn't see any submissions. Therefore I guess we officially
don't have an initiative. Unless someone wants to argue after the fact
that Marcy had no authority to unilaterally approve my suggestion for a
process. In which case we're back in limbo.
<<< Starchild >>>
For some reason I had Tuesday in mind. Weird.
By the way, as a point of order, Phil is the chair of this committee, not
Marcy. 
J.
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You made my day, Starchild! You will notice my words were "I say
we...." which constitutes a vote, not an authorization. Looks to me
that what we do not have is a process, since words alone do not
create one.
The proposals are still on the table; the "serious" proposals, as I
recall are:
1. Phil's: Permit green jitneys to stop at jitney stops established
200 feet from bus stops
2. Justin's: Get rid of taxi medallions
3. Kelly's: Permit green jitneys to stop at bus stops.
I believe, however, that you might be saying that time is running out
on this project, and you might be right!
Marcy
-- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:
Hmm... according to the process described below, the deadline
for
submitting ballot measure proposals (midnight Sunday) has come and
gone, and I didn't see any submissions. Therefore I guess we
officially
don't have an initiative. Unless someone wants to argue after the
fact
that Marcy had no authority to unilaterally approve my suggestion
for a
process. In which case we're back in limbo.
<<< Starchild >>>
From: "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:07:06 PM US/Pacific
To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: URGENT: [lpsf-activists] Curb Rights/Voting (proposed
voting mechanism/timeline)
Reply-To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.comLeapin' Lizards! As always, Starchild gets the job done (somehow!).
I
say let's run with this proposal.
Marcy
--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:
> Marcy,
>
> Aside from moving things along, and making sure everyone
understands
> the rules by which decisions are made and that those rules are
designed
> to maximize democratic participation, I brought up voting rules
> precisely as a means of getting more activists involved. By giving
> people a vote weighted in proportion to their contribution of
money
or
> signatures, we could obtain solid advance commitments and know
exactly
> where we stand on the project before we start.
>
> With these things in mind, I propose the following process
and
> timeline:
>
> Since there seems to be no solid consensus on precisely what
is on the
> table right now (taxi medallion deregulation? jitneys? curb
rights?),
> open the process back up to initiatives on any topic. Anyone
pledging
> 50 valid signatures or $150 by so stating in an email to LPSF-
activists
> can submit an initiative proposal. For each additional 50 valid
> signatures or $150 you pledge, you can submit one additional
proposal
> (if you want to). Each submission should summarize the proposed
> initiative in 250 words or less, including. Deadline for
submissions is
> midnight at the end of Sunday. After all the submissions are in,
the
> Chair or her designee will publish the list of proposals and
pledges to
> LPSF-activists no later than noon on Monday, at which time voting
on
> the submissions will commence, and continue until midnight at the
end
> of Wednesday.
>
> Every LPSF member gets one vote. For each 50 valid signatures
or $150
> you pledge, you get one additional vote. NOTE: pledges used toward
> submitting an initiative proposal cannot also be used to obtain
> additional votes (i.e. if you pledged 50 signatures and submitted
a
> proposal, you must pledge again if you want an additional vote or
> votes). Non-LPSF members, who do not get an automatic vote, can
also
> submit proposals or vote by pledging money or signatures, but are
> limited to a total of two votes per person.
>
> The top two (three if the LPSF as an organization is not
allowed to be
> a proponent -- this has to be checked out with the Elections
Dept.)
> pledgers will have their names on the initiative. If one of them
> doesn't want his or her name on the initiative, he/she can
transfer
> this privilege to another person (or group, if the rules allow
this) of
> his/her choice. You can vote as many times as you like, up to the
> midnight Wednesday deadline, by pledging additional money or
signatures
> after casting your initial vote. The Secretary or her designee
will
> publish a running tally of the votes to LPSF-activists at least
daily
> between Sunday and Wednesday, and between noon and midnight on
> Wednesday, after each new vote is cast (or as close thereafter as
> reasonably possible).
>
> Following the voting, the Chair will publish the detailed
results of
> the voting and the resultant pledges to LPSF-activists no later
than
> noon next Thursday. The top five pledgers will constitute an
initiative
> working group responsible for coming up with a full draft of the
> initiative, in consultation with the City Attorney's office and an
LPSF
> attorney (if one can be obtained). The chair will name one of the
five
> individuals to head the group, and this person will be responsible
for
> scheduling meetings. The working group will meet for at least 5
hours a
> week until an initiative is completed and ready to be turned in to
the
> Elections Department. It will decide everything democratically
amongst
> its members, three members being required for a quorum in order to
> conduct votes. If one of the top five pledgers does not wish to be
part
> of the working group, or wishes at some point to resign from it,
he
or
> she may name any LPSF member to take his/her place.
>
> Yours in liberty,
> <<< Starchild >>>
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Starchild, Could you fill me in on the deadline s and process for
filing an iniative.
My pledge remains $2000.00 plus even though I'd prefer to pledge in
real money, but that is an issue for another day.
I know that you are disappointed about not doing the 520 iniative, and
I still ask, would it be harder to do both. Wspedcially if you think
you could get more volunteers and monay. Would it dilute our efforts,
or add entusiastic support and cause a lot of sybiosis.in getting both
iniatives done. Is there precedence for groups dong two at once for
just this reason.
late night endorpins coursing through my veins from a very loong water
aerobics session.
Phil
Ps If the gold stocks do what i think they will do ove the next 5 to 6
mos, ther may be more for thecampaign.
Hmm... according to the process described below, the deadline for
submitting ballot measure proposals (midnight Sunday) has come and
gone, and I didn't see any submissions. Therefore I guess we officially
don't have an initiative. Unless someone wants to argue after the fact
that Marcy had no authority to unilaterally approve my suggestion for a
process. In which case we're back in limbo.<<< Starchild >>>
From: "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:07:06 PM US/Pacific
To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: URGENT: [lpsf-activists] Curb Rights/Voting (proposed
voting mechanism/timeline)
Reply-To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.comLeapin' Lizards! As always, Starchild gets the job done (somehow!). I
say let's run with this proposal.Marcy
--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:
> Marcy,
>
> Aside from moving things along, and making sure everyone
understands
> the rules by which decisions are made and that those rules are
designed
> to maximize democratic participation, I brought up voting rules
> precisely as a means of getting more activists involved. By giving
> people a vote weighted in proportion to their contribution of money
or
> signatures, we could obtain solid advance commitments and know
exactly
> where we stand on the project before we start.
>
> With these things in mind, I propose the following process
and
> timeline:
>
> Since there seems to be no solid consensus on precisely what
is on the
> table right now (taxi medallion deregulation? jitneys? curb
rights?),
> open the process back up to initiatives on any topic. Anyone
pledging
> 50 valid signatures or $150 by so stating in an email to LPSF-
activists
> can submit an initiative proposal. For each additional 50 valid
> signatures or $150 you pledge, you can submit one additional
proposal
> (if you want to). Each submission should summarize the proposed
> initiative in 250 words or less, including. Deadline for
submissions is
> midnight at the end of Sunday. After all the submissions are in,
the
> Chair or her designee will publish the list of proposals and
pledges to
> LPSF-activists no later than noon on Monday, at which time voting
on
> the submissions will commence, and continue until midnight at the
end
> of Wednesday.
>
> Every LPSF member gets one vote. For each 50 valid signatures
or $150
> you pledge, you get one additional vote. NOTE: pledges used toward
> submitting an initiative proposal cannot also be used to obtain
> additional votes (i.e. if you pledged 50 signatures and submitted a
> proposal, you must pledge again if you want an additional vote or
> votes). Non-LPSF members, who do not get an automatic vote, can
also
> submit proposals or vote by pledging money or signatures, but are
> limited to a total of two votes per person.
>
> The top two (three if the LPSF as an organization is not
allowed to be
> a proponent -- this has to be checked out with the Elections Dept.)
> pledgers will have their names on the initiative. If one of them
> doesn't want his or her name on the initiative, he/she can transfer
> this privilege to another person (or group, if the rules allow
this) of
> his/her choice. You can vote as many times as you like, up to the
> midnight Wednesday deadline, by pledging additional money or
signatures
> after casting your initial vote. The Secretary or her designee will
> publish a running tally of the votes to LPSF-activists at least
daily
> between Sunday and Wednesday, and between noon and midnight on
> Wednesday, after each new vote is cast (or as close thereafter as
> reasonably possible).
>
> Following the voting, the Chair will publish the detailed
results of
> the voting and the resultant pledges to LPSF-activists no later
than
> noon next Thursday. The top five pledgers will constitute an
initiative
> working group responsible for coming up with a full draft of the
> initiative, in consultation with the City Attorney's office and an
LPSF
> attorney (if one can be obtained). The chair will name one of the
five
> individuals to head the group, and this person will be responsible
for
> scheduling meetings. The working group will meet for at least 5
hours a
> week until an initiative is completed and ready to be turned in to
the
> Elections Department. It will decide everything democratically
amongst
> its members, three members being required for a quorum in order to
> conduct votes. If one of the top five pledgers does not wish to be
part
> of the working group, or wishes at some point to resign from it, he
or
> she may name any LPSF member to take his/her place.
>
> Yours in liberty,
> <<< Starchild >>>
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