Just got a No on F mailing from SF Association of Realtors

Dear All;

the LPSF vote yes was because it would ultimately save money by having a combined election. But by so doing you can't concentrate your money to back specific candidates the dollars will only stretch so far if everyone is running at the same time. This is why the "special interests" are so dead set against it.

The SF Bay Guardian last week had a well resourced article of where the money came from and to whom paid. They have a downloadable PDF chart showing where the funds came from and whom the funds went to.

A has been said before by numerous politicians: Money is the mothers milk of politics.

http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php?entry_id=7308&catid=&volume_id=398&issue_id=401&volume_num=43&issue_num=03

http://snipurl.com/4mgha [www_sfbg_com]

http://www.sfbg.com/PDFs/politics/PAC_chart_color08.pdf

Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
Hostis res Publica
Morte ai Tiranni
Dum Spiro, Pugno

Dear Ron,

Please forgive me if my comment came out as a criticism of our Yes
recommendation; it was not. I will be voting Yes also.

Marcy

Dear All;

the LPSF vote yes was because it would ultimately save money by

having a combined election. But by so doing you can't concentrate your
money to back specific candidates the dollars will only stretch so far
if everyone is running at the same time. This is why the "special
interests" are so dead set against it.

The SF Bay Guardian last week had a well resourced article of where

the money came from and to whom paid. They have a downloadable PDF
chart showing where the funds came from and whom the funds went to.

A has been said before by numerous politicians: Money is the

mothers milk of politics.

http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php?entry_id=7308&catid=&volume_id=398&issue_id=401&volume_num=43&issue_num=03

http://snipurl.com/4mgha [www_sfbg_com]

http://www.sfbg.com/PDFs/politics/PAC_chart_color08.pdf

Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
Hostis res Publica
Morte ai Tiranni
Dum Spiro, Pugno

From: Amarcy D. Berry <amarcyb@...>
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:30:13 PM
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Just got a No on F mailing from SF

Association of Realtors

Rob,

Starchild's assessment is mine also. If you look in the Voter
Handbook, you will see that the more conservative Supervisors, Chamber
of Commerce, and other business interests are against it. While the
more left-wing factions are for it. We recommended Yes; interesting.

Marcy

>
> Rob,
>
> Odd-year elections, since they don't coincide with state and
> national elections, tend to have lower turnout, and lower turnout
> tends to favor conservative candidates and positions. Thus many
> conservative individuals and groups are opposing the switch. I
> presume that is the realtor group's thinking.
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
>
>
> > No clue what the connection is, but the Realtors really don't want
> > us to
> > kill the odd-year elections (which cost many millions of dollars

to

Dear Marcy;

I did not think the criticism was of the yes vote but imagine the
LPSF aligned with Chris Daly and others of his progressive left-wing
socialistic extremist liberalistic anti-downtown big business just
tax and tax and tax and spend and spend and spend ilk!!!

It's like taking a mud bath and can't wait to take a shower.

Although the LPSF yes vote was based on saving taxpayer dollars I ma
certain the initiative under currents are more with breaking the
downtown hold on candidates with its money. Just look at the pdf from
the SF Bay Guardian on the cash flow and to whom from whom to see
that.

Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
Hostis res Publica
Morte Ai Tiranni
Dum Spiro, Pugno

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@...>
wrote:

Dear Ron,

Please forgive me if my comment came out as a criticism of our Yes
recommendation; it was not. I will be voting Yes also.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty <tradergroupe@>

wrote:

>
> Dear All;
>
> the LPSF vote yes was because it would ultimately save money by
having a combined election. But by so doing you can't concentrate

your

money to back specific candidates the dollars will only stretch so

far

if everyone is running at the same time. This is why the "special
interests" are so dead set against it.
>
> The SF Bay Guardian last week had a well resourced article of

where

the money came from and to whom paid. They have a downloadable PDF
chart showing where the funds came from and whom the funds went to.
>
> A has been said before by numerous politicians: Money is the
mothers milk of politics.
>
>
http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php?

entry_id=7308&catid=&volume_id=398&issue_id=401&volume_num=43&issue_nu
m=03

>
> http://snipurl.com/4mgha [www_sfbg_com]
>
> http://www.sfbg.com/PDFs/politics/PAC_chart_color08.pdf
>
> Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
> Hostis res Publica
> Morte ai Tiranni
> Dum Spiro, Pugno
>
>
>
> From: Amarcy D. Berry <amarcyb@>
> To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:30:13 PM
> Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Just got a No on F mailing from SF
Association of Realtors
>
> Rob,
>
> Starchild's assessment is mine also. If you look in the Voter
> Handbook, you will see that the more conservative Supervisors,

Chamber

> of Commerce, and other business interests are against it. While

the

> more left-wing factions are for it. We recommended Yes;

interesting.

>
> Marcy
>
>
>
> >
> > Rob,
> >
> > Odd-year elections, since they don't coincide with state

and

> > national elections, tend to have lower turnout, and lower

turnout

> > tends to favor conservative candidates and positions. Thus

many

> > conservative individuals and groups are opposing the switch. I
> > presume that is the realtor group's thinking.
> >
> > Love & Liberty,
> > ((( starchild )))
> >
> >
> > > No clue what the connection is, but the Realtors really don't

want

> > > us to
> > > kill the odd-year elections (which cost many millions of

dollars

to
> > > hold
> > > in addition even-year elections). Anyone know what their

angle is?

Ron,

  It's either that or an equally shower-worthy mud bath with the corporate, "realpolitik," lip-service-to-capitalism, AWOL-on-civil-liberties crowd, take your pick!

Love & Liberty,
        ((( starchild )))

Dear Ron,

That's exactly what was on my mind when I expressed dismay, wondering
if we would be perceived as having gone over to the dark side. Thank
you so much for elaborating on the "why" of our vote.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "tradergroupe" <tradergroupe@...>
wrote: