Info on upcoming local ballot measures (put August 19 in your calendars!)

I got this information from the Elections Department today. There are
two San Francisco measures on the November ballot so far:

Starchild,

Thank you for obtaining and posting this information! Are you
thinking we as individuals should pick a proposition and write an
argument, or are you saying the LPSF as a group should do so? It
seems that in the past you, Chris, and Rob did all the work on these
propositions, probably because the rest of us were not as versed in
the process as we should be. Be nice if more of us got involved,
perhaps with some guidance from you experienced people.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:

  I got this information from the Elections Department today.

There are

two San Francisco measures on the November ballot so far:

------------------------------------------------------------------
Prohibiting sale, manufacture & distribution in city & county of

SF,

and limiting possession of handguns
(Put on ballot by Supervisors Ammiano, Dufty, Daly, & Gonzalez)
Contact Bill Barnes (440-8973), Burke Strunsky

Neighborhood Firehouse Protection Act
(Put on ballot by petition signatures)
Joseph Moriarty (621-7103), Francis Kelly, Kenneth D. Smith
------------------------------------------------------------------

  We know about the anti-gun proposition. Hopefully it will be

defeated

in court and not even make it to the ballot. The other qualified
measure appears to be bad also. I don't know all the details, but
basically it is aimed at maintaining current city expenditures by
keeping firehouses open which are not really needed. It turns out

that

there are another four (more than I was initially told) which have

not

yet qualified for the ballot but may qualify:

------------------------------------------------------------------
Truth In Overtime Budgeting & Accounting
David Scherotter - 333-4778

Employee Bumping Reform (Charter Amendment)
Michael J. Sullivan (Plan C) - 217-5910

Laguna Honda Hospital Special Use District
Doug Comstock (845-5778), David Bisho, Virginia Leishman

College Not Combat
Ragina Johnson - 412-4540
------------------------------------------------------------------

  The deadlines for supervisors to put additional measures on

the ballot

(July 29 for charter amendments and bond measures, August 10 for
ordinances and declarations of policy) has not yet passed, so there

may

well be more stuff (probably of a negative nature) coming down the

pike.

  The deadline we have to worry about, the deadline for

submitting free

opposition arguments, is August 19 at noon.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

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Marcy,

  It is difficult to write these things by committee, but one person
writing alone may also fail to include good points that several heads
working together might have come up with. I suggest that as many people
as wish to do so write various drafts or pieces of drafts and post them
on the list where we can discuss and brainstorm in order to come up
with the best possible language. Then perhaps the person who seems to
have done the most work or come up with the best ideas against a
particular proposition could be responsible for compiling a final
argument to submit.

  The problem in the past has often been that things were so last-minute
that there was no chance to have the group approve the various
arguments submitted. It is my view that this approval process *should*
occur, so that we can reap the good publicity of having the Libertarian
Party of San Francisco itself listed as the main opponent on each
argument. Of course anyone whose argument isn't approved to bear the
LP imprimature is still free to submit it him or herself, and having
multiple competing arguments submitted can only help the chances of one
of them being chosen.

  The first step is getting the actual text of the measures from the
Elections Department (downstairs in room 48* at City Hall). That
requires an actual visit, as the info is not online and they were only
willing to fax me the titles and contacts for each measure, not the
full text.

  Next I think we ought to try to carefully research the various issues,
including who our allies in opposing different propositions might be.
It's a delicate balancing act, because *we* want to be the official
opponents and not alert others who might then file their own arguments
and lessen our chances of being selected in the lottery. On the other
hand however, there are probably individuals or groups out there who
have important relevant information that we do not which would
strengthen our arguments.

  Ideally we would incorporate the best points made by other opponents
of a measure into our own argument against it, get prominent allies to
add their names to our effort as co-signers, and then have that
argument chosen as the official opponent ballot argument.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

*48 is the room number listed on the department website, but I seem to
recall their office used to have a different number. Anyone know if
they moved the office or renumbered the rooms?

Starchild,

Thank you for obtaining and posting this information! Are you
thinking we as individuals should pick a proposition and write an
argument, or are you saying the LPSF as a group should do so? It
seems that in the past you, Chris, and Rob did all the work on these
propositions, probably because the rest of us were not as versed in
the process as we should be. Be nice if more of us got involved,
perhaps with some guidance from you experienced people.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:

  I got this information from the Elections Department today.

There are

two San Francisco measures on the November ballot so far:

------------------------------------------------------------------
Prohibiting sale, manufacture & distribution in city & county of

SF,

and limiting possession of handguns
(Put on ballot by Supervisors Ammiano, Dufty, Daly, & Gonzalez)
Contact Bill Barnes (440-8973), Burke Strunsky

Neighborhood Firehouse Protection Act
(Put on ballot by petition signatures)
Joseph Moriarty (621-7103), Francis Kelly, Kenneth D. Smith
------------------------------------------------------------------

  We know about the anti-gun proposition. Hopefully it will be

defeated

in court and not even make it to the ballot. The other qualified
measure appears to be bad also. I don't know all the details, but
basically it is aimed at maintaining current city expenditures by
keeping firehouses open which are not really needed. It turns out

that

there are another four (more than I was initially told) which have

not

yet qualified for the ballot but may qualify:

------------------------------------------------------------------
Truth In Overtime Budgeting & Accounting
David Scherotter - 333-4778

Employee Bumping Reform (Charter Amendment)
Michael J. Sullivan (Plan C) - 217-5910

Laguna Honda Hospital Special Use District
Doug Comstock (845-5778), David Bisho, Virginia Leishman

College Not Combat
Ragina Johnson - 412-4540
------------------------------------------------------------------

  The deadlines for supervisors to put additional measures on

the ballot

(July 29 for charter amendments and bond measures, August 10 for
ordinances and declarations of policy) has not yet passed, so there

may

well be more stuff (probably of a negative nature) coming down the

pike.

  The deadline we have to worry about, the deadline for

submitting free

opposition arguments, is August 19 at noon.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

Yahoo! Groups Links

Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpsf-activists/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
    lpsf-activists-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

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Good plan! I will show up at City Hall tomorrow and see what I can
do about copying the stuff.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:

Marcy,

  It is difficult to write these things by committee, but one

person

writing alone may also fail to include good points that several

heads

working together might have come up with. I suggest that as many

people

as wish to do so write various drafts or pieces of drafts and post

them

on the list where we can discuss and brainstorm in order to come up
with the best possible language. Then perhaps the person who seems

to

have done the most work or come up with the best ideas against a
particular proposition could be responsible for compiling a final
argument to submit.

  The problem in the past has often been that things were so

last-minute

that there was no chance to have the group approve the various
arguments submitted. It is my view that this approval process

*should*

occur, so that we can reap the good publicity of having the

Libertarian

Party of San Francisco itself listed as the main opponent on each
argument. Of course anyone whose argument isn't approved to bear

the

LP imprimature is still free to submit it him or herself, and

having

multiple competing arguments submitted can only help the chances of

one

of them being chosen.

  The first step is getting the actual text of the measures

from the

Elections Department (downstairs in room 48* at City Hall). That
requires an actual visit, as the info is not online and they were

only

willing to fax me the titles and contacts for each measure, not the
full text.

  Next I think we ought to try to carefully research the

various issues,

including who our allies in opposing different propositions might

be.

It's a delicate balancing act, because *we* want to be the official
opponents and not alert others who might then file their own

arguments

and lessen our chances of being selected in the lottery. On the

other

hand however, there are probably individuals or groups out there

who

have important relevant information that we do not which would
strengthen our arguments.

  Ideally we would incorporate the best points made by other

opponents

of a measure into our own argument against it, get prominent allies

to

add their names to our effort as co-signers, and then have that
argument chosen as the official opponent ballot argument.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

*48 is the room number listed on the department website, but I seem

to

recall their office used to have a different number. Anyone know if
they moved the office or renumbered the rooms?

> Starchild,
>
> Thank you for obtaining and posting this information! Are you
> thinking we as individuals should pick a proposition and write an
> argument, or are you saying the LPSF as a group should do so? It
> seems that in the past you, Chris, and Rob did all the work on

these

> propositions, probably because the rest of us were not as versed

in