How To Undercut Rent Control In SF

Discussion
1

In a message dated 9/15/2006 9:37:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
tradergroupe@... writes:

Dear Sarosh;

Let's get the issue on means testing for rent control to the boiling over
point - we don't have a chance to fully repeal rent control but we sure can
pull an end run around it and do it in..... :wink:

Ron Getty

to get traction, an idea must be talked abt again and again in public until
it gets taken seriously. this takes courage because new ideas are typically
not well understood or welcomed.

SO..... do we have an official lpsf platform for all city supervisor/mayor
candidates, so that they can repeatedly bring up the same issues. eventually,
enough people will consider the merits and the ideas will pass into the
mainstream.

determining the content of the platform wd prob require a vote at the
monthly meeting; and additional items can get added to the platform over time.

hey ex-com, how abt this?

Sarosh D. Kumana
_www.sfrent.net_ (http://www.sfrent.net/)
Tel: 415-861-4554
Fax: 415-931-4004
Cell: 415-425-5184

2

Dear Sarosh;

A LPSF San Francisco issues platform of this nature is a great idea and we do need to address it at the October meeting on Saturday Oct. 14 - Come on Down

Justin get it on the agenda!!!!

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

3

Hi Sarosh,

Agreed, rent control is not a good thing. You ask if the LPSF Excom
can write a platform addressing this subject. As a member of the
Excom, I would be in favor of composing a platform addressing all
major San Francisco issues of concern to Libertarians, but not one
addressing a single issue. Perhaps I misunderstood you, and what you
are suggesting is a "Resolution" declaring rent control an
economically ineffective idea? I would be very much in favor of that!

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@...m, saroshk@... wrote:

In a message dated 9/15/2006 9:37:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
tradergroupe@... writes:

Dear Sarosh;

Let's get the issue on means testing for rent control to the

boiling over

point - we don't have a chance to fully repeal rent control but we

sure can

pull an end run around it and do it in..... :wink:

Ron Getty

to get traction, an idea must be talked abt again and again in

public until

it gets taken seriously. this takes courage because new ideas are

typically

not well understood or welcomed.

SO..... do we have an official lpsf platform for all city

supervisor/mayor

candidates, so that they can repeatedly bring up the same issues.

eventually,

enough people will consider the merits and the ideas will pass

into the

mainstream.

determining the content of the platform wd prob require a vote at

the

monthly meeting; and additional items can get added to the platform

over time.

4

Dear Marcy;

Sarosh's request is for an LPSF issues platform which candidates and
members can use as a reference on ALL issues effecting San
Franciscans from the LPSF perspective. Yes declaring Rent Control an
ineffective means of addressing the issue is good - but we need to
have a issues platform as Sarosh suggested which provides a basis
for continuity of attack on public issues discussion where SF
Libertarians will present a unified front on issues of import to San
Franciscans from the SF Libertarina perspective.

This means of course addressing SF issues not from a toes to the
fire perspective as it would be unrealisitc - this being SF - but
modified to reflect Libertarianism as close as possible to the ideal
but allowing flexibility for addressing the issues from a SF
citywide basis reflecting the enormous diversity of San Franciscans
and SF political thought.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

BTW: I am sending again as it appears the last one got ate by that
Yahoo Ether Monster.

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@...>
wrote:

Hi Sarosh,

Agreed, rent control is not a good thing. You ask if the LPSF

Excom

can write a platform addressing this subject. As a member of the
Excom, I would be in favor of composing a platform addressing all
major San Francisco issues of concern to Libertarians, but not one
addressing a single issue. Perhaps I misunderstood you, and what

you

are suggesting is a "Resolution" declaring rent control an
economically ineffective idea? I would be very much in favor of

that!

Marcy

>
>
> In a message dated 9/15/2006 9:37:27 A.M. Pacific Standard

Time,

> tradergroupe@ writes:
>
> Dear Sarosh;
>
> Let's get the issue on means testing for rent control to the
boiling over
> point - we don't have a chance to fully repeal rent control but

we

sure can
> pull an end run around it and do it in..... :wink:
>
> Ron Getty
>
>
>
> to get traction, an idea must be talked abt again and again in
public until
> it gets taken seriously. this takes courage because new ideas

are

typically
> not well understood or welcomed.
>
> SO..... do we have an official lpsf platform for all city
supervisor/mayor
> candidates, so that they can repeatedly bring up the same

issues.

eventually,
> enough people will consider the merits and the ideas will pass
into the
> mainstream.
>
> determining the content of the platform wd prob require a vote

at

the
> monthly meeting; and additional items can get added to the

platform

5

Dear Ron,

Thank you. As I indicated previously, I am personally in favor of
the LPSF having such a platform, for the reasons you state, such as
defining who we are as a group, making our views "official" in the
eyes of the public, etc. I have from time to time asked about an
LPSF platform, but there never seemed to be a belief within our group
that one was either desirable or possible; mostly because (1) we are
so diverse, and (2) we have no time to write a platform (witness the
fate of our several current projects!). All this is not to say that
I would not welcome a discussion of this subject at the next meeting.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "tradergroupe"
<tradergroupe@...> wrote:

Dear Marcy;

Sarosh's request is for an LPSF issues platform which candidates

and

members can use as a reference on ALL issues effecting San
Franciscans from the LPSF perspective. Yes declaring Rent Control

an

ineffective means of addressing the issue is good - but we need to
have a issues platform as Sarosh suggested which provides a basis
for continuity of attack on public issues discussion where SF
Libertarians will present a unified front on issues of import to

San

Franciscans from the SF Libertarina perspective.

This means of course addressing SF issues not from a toes to the
fire perspective as it would be unrealisitc - this being SF - but
modified to reflect Libertarianism as close as possible to the

ideal

but allowing flexibility for addressing the issues from a SF
citywide basis reflecting the enormous diversity of San Franciscans
and SF political thought.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

BTW: I am sending again as it appears the last one got ate by that
Yahoo Ether Monster.

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@>
wrote:
>
> Hi Sarosh,
>
> Agreed, rent control is not a good thing. You ask if the LPSF
Excom
> can write a platform addressing this subject. As a member of the
> Excom, I would be in favor of composing a platform addressing all
> major San Francisco issues of concern to Libertarians, but not

one

> addressing a single issue. Perhaps I misunderstood you, and what
you
> are suggesting is a "Resolution" declaring rent control an
> economically ineffective idea? I would be very much in favor of
that!
>
> Marcy
>
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/15/2006 9:37:27 A.M. Pacific Standard
Time,
> > tradergroupe@ writes:
> >
> > Dear Sarosh;
> >
> > Let's get the issue on means testing for rent control to the
> boiling over
> > point - we don't have a chance to fully repeal rent control

but

6

Dear Marcy;

The LPSF Party Platform of SF will be created!!!! Think positive
thoughts and NO bad vibes!!!

1. What the heck has diversity gots to do with not having a LPSF
Party Platform - lame excuse
2.Baloney - the day and the week has 24/7 to it and based on some of
the postings that haven taken place there are LPSF'ers up into the
late wee hours of the morning - I guess those late night street
street corner drummmmings keeps you busy ...[ :slight_smile:

So let's get it on the agneda for October as earlier mentioned by
Sarosh and get the project started.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

BTW: I am sending this through the group site ass the original one I
sent never showed up - once again!! This is becomeing very
frustrating with that Yahoo Group Server

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@...>
wrote:

Dear Ron,

Thank you. As I indicated previously, I am personally in favor of
the LPSF having such a platform, for the reasons you state, such

as

defining who we are as a group, making our views "official" in the
eyes of the public, etc. I have from time to time asked about an
LPSF platform, but there never seemed to be a belief within our

group

that one was either desirable or possible; mostly because (1) we

are

so diverse, and (2) we have no time to write a platform (witness

the

fate of our several current projects!). All this is not to say

that

I would not welcome a discussion of this subject at the next

meeting.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "tradergroupe"
<tradergroupe@> wrote:
>
> Dear Marcy;
>
> Sarosh's request is for an LPSF issues platform which candidates
and
> members can use as a reference on ALL issues effecting San
> Franciscans from the LPSF perspective. Yes declaring Rent

Control

an
> ineffective means of addressing the issue is good - but we need

to

> have a issues platform as Sarosh suggested which provides a

basis

> for continuity of attack on public issues discussion where SF
> Libertarians will present a unified front on issues of import to
San
> Franciscans from the SF Libertarina perspective.
>
> This means of course addressing SF issues not from a toes to the
> fire perspective as it would be unrealisitc - this being SF -

but

> modified to reflect Libertarianism as close as possible to the
ideal
> but allowing flexibility for addressing the issues from a SF
> citywide basis reflecting the enormous diversity of San

Franciscans

> and SF political thought.
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
>
> BTW: I am sending again as it appears the last one got ate by

that

> Yahoo Ether Monster.
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry"

<amarcyb@>

> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sarosh,
> >
> > Agreed, rent control is not a good thing. You ask if the LPSF
> Excom
> > can write a platform addressing this subject. As a member of

the

> > Excom, I would be in favor of composing a platform addressing

all

> > major San Francisco issues of concern to Libertarians, but not
one
> > addressing a single issue. Perhaps I misunderstood you, and

what

> you
> > are suggesting is a "Resolution" declaring rent control an
> > economically ineffective idea? I would be very much in favor

of

> that!
> >
> > Marcy
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 9/15/2006 9:37:27 A.M. Pacific Standard
> Time,
> > > tradergroupe@ writes:
> > >
> > > Dear Sarosh;
> > >
> > > Let's get the issue on means testing for rent control to

the

> > boiling over
> > > point - we don't have a chance to fully repeal rent control
but
> we
> > sure can
> > > pull an end run around it and do it in..... :wink:
> > >
> > > Ron Getty
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > to get traction, an idea must be talked abt again and again

in

> > public until
> > > it gets taken seriously. this takes courage because new

ideas

> are
> > typically
> > > not well understood or welcomed.
> > >
> > > SO..... do we have an official lpsf platform for all city
> > supervisor/mayor
> > > candidates, so that they can repeatedly bring up the same
> issues.
> > eventually,
> > > enough people will consider the merits and the ideas will

pass

> > into the
> > > mainstream.
> > >
> > > determining the content of the platform wd prob require a

vote

7

Sarosh,

  If we don't have any people running for office, it won't matter what the platform is. This year we only have two candidates, and a whole bunch of offices went uncontested. How do you plan to get more people to run?

    <<< starchild >>>

8

Dear Starchild;

I strongly and vehemently beg to differ!!!!!!

We will - not shall - be having opportunties with the police petition to speak before various groups about Libertarianism and this means having an LPSF San Francisco party platform

Don't be so negative about only two Libertarian candidates and why do we need a platform? Snivel snivel whine whine

Stop the bad vibes - act like a MENSCH - have good vibes - then think about the time when there will - not shall - be so many Libertarian candidates we will have to find a bigger place to meet then the balcony at Cybelle's!!! Like the Moscone Center!!!!!!

TRY POSTITIVE THINKING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

9

What I
realized
from
my first
debate
is taking
things
issue by
issue is
a
complete
loser for
us.
Taken
out of
context
saying
you
want to
eliminate
government
schools,
social
security,

medicaid,
city
hospitals,
fire
department,
etc all
sounds
completely
unworkable
and
mad
crazy.
The
first
arguement
should
use a
word
people
are
familiar
with...zero
base
budgeting,
and
zero
base
legislation.
This
would
allow,
at least
in
debate,
the idea
that
every
citizen
gets to
keep all
his
money.
Then,
assuming
no
inflation,
a stable
and
prosperous
economy,
the
discussion
can
proceed
one
topic at
time if
this
particular
job
particularly
lends
itself to
efficient
provision
by the
government.

Philip
Berg
Libertarian
Candidate
for
Congress,

California
8 San
Francisco.

10

Dear Ron,

Ok, it's a deal!

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "tradergroupe"
<tradergroupe@...> wrote:

Dear Marcy;

The LPSF Party Platform of SF will be created!!!! Think positive
thoughts and NO bad vibes!!!

1. What the heck has diversity gots to do with not having a LPSF
Party Platform - lame excuse
2.Baloney - the day and the week has 24/7 to it and based on some

of

the postings that haven taken place there are LPSF'ers up into the
late wee hours of the morning - I guess those late night street
street corner drummmmings keeps you busy ...[ :slight_smile:

So let's get it on the agneda for October as earlier mentioned by
Sarosh and get the project started.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

BTW: I am sending this through the group site ass the original one

I

sent never showed up - once again!! This is becomeing very
frustrating with that Yahoo Group Server

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@>
wrote:
>
> Dear Ron,
>
> Thank you. As I indicated previously, I am personally in favor

of

> the LPSF having such a platform, for the reasons you state, such
as
> defining who we are as a group, making our views "official" in

the

> eyes of the public, etc. I have from time to time asked about an
> LPSF platform, but there never seemed to be a belief within our
group
> that one was either desirable or possible; mostly because (1) we
are
> so diverse, and (2) we have no time to write a platform (witness
the
> fate of our several current projects!). All this is not to say
that
> I would not welcome a discussion of this subject at the next
meeting.
>
> Marcy
>
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "tradergroupe"
> <tradergroupe@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Marcy;
> >
> > Sarosh's request is for an LPSF issues platform which

candidates

> and
> > members can use as a reference on ALL issues effecting San
> > Franciscans from the LPSF perspective. Yes declaring Rent
Control
> an
> > ineffective means of addressing the issue is good - but we need
to
> > have a issues platform as Sarosh suggested which provides a
basis
> > for continuity of attack on public issues discussion where SF
> > Libertarians will present a unified front on issues of import

to

> San
> > Franciscans from the SF Libertarina perspective.
> >
> > This means of course addressing SF issues not from a toes to

the

> > fire perspective as it would be unrealisitc - this being SF -
but
> > modified to reflect Libertarianism as close as possible to the
> ideal
> > but allowing flexibility for addressing the issues from a SF
> > citywide basis reflecting the enormous diversity of San
Franciscans
> > and SF political thought.
> >
> > Ron Getty
> > SF Libertarian
> >
> >
> > BTW: I am sending again as it appears the last one got ate by
that
> > Yahoo Ether Monster.
> >
> > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry"
<amarcyb@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Sarosh,
> > >
> > > Agreed, rent control is not a good thing. You ask if the LPSF
> > Excom
> > > can write a platform addressing this subject. As a member of
the
> > > Excom, I would be in favor of composing a platform addressing
all
> > > major San Francisco issues of concern to Libertarians, but

not

> one
> > > addressing a single issue. Perhaps I misunderstood you, and
what
> > you
> > > are suggesting is a "Resolution" declaring rent control an
> > > economically ineffective idea? I would be very much in favor
of
> > that!
> > >
> > > Marcy
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 9/15/2006 9:37:27 A.M. Pacific Standard
> > Time,
> > > > tradergroupe@ writes:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Sarosh;
> > > >
> > > > Let's get the issue on means testing for rent control to
the
> > > boiling over
> > > > point - we don't have a chance to fully repeal rent

control