Starchild,
You asked if someone suggested "discussing resolutions": I did. We
will take two minutes to review my suggestion regarding resolutions.
Sorry if I sounded as if this was going to be a long-drawn out
discussion.
Marcy
--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:
Very nicely written resolution, Richard! I have only one
proposed
change, which is to change the word "lawful" to "moral" in the
sixth
paragraph. (Many uses of firearms which are perfectly acceptable by
libertarian values are currently held to be "unlawful" by local,
state,
and federal officials, and we want to clearly speak out not only
for
the freedom to use guns in ways they consider lawful, but in all
ways
which are moral, whether they deem them legal or not.)
Marcy, I don't know who has suggested that discussing
resolutions and
their political purpose should be an item on the agenda, but unless
there's more to the item than meets the eye, I would question the
need
for it. Does anyone here believe it is a waste of our time to pass
resolutions? If so, then let him or her bring the issue forward. If
not, then why don't we save the time and move on?
I would be happy to discuss the merits of passing resolutions
one on
one with anyone who is simply curious about their political purpose
without necessarily being opposed to them. Perhaps a bunch of
people
will speak up and prove me wrong, but I believe that most of our
group
already understands the benefits of adopting an occasional
resolution,
so long as we do not become so enamored of the activity that we
start
to look as ridiculous as some legislatures do. If this
understanding
exists, then a discussion of the topic would not be of much value
compared to other possible uses of the time.
Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>
> Hi All,
>
> Richard Newell of EBL has suggested LPSF address the upcoming
proposed
> gun ban on the November city ballot. We will be discussing all
> propositions in our meeting of August 13, including the gun ban.
I
> will introduce Richard's resolution for a vote. Also, we will
briefly
> discuss resolutions and their political purpose.
>
> Please see Richard's wording below.
>
> Hope to see you all on August 13!
>
> Marcy
> From: Richard Newell
> To: Marcy Berry
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Gun Ban
>
> Marcy
> How's this:
>
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>
>
> Resolution to Oppose the San Francisco 2005 Ballot Measure
> "Prohibiting Firearms Distribution and Limiting Handgun
Possession"
>
> WHEREAS the right to defend oneself is a natural human right; and
>
> WHEREAS handguns are one of the most effective tools for this
purpose;
> and
>
> WHEREAS the City and County of San Francisco has placed on the
> November 2005 ballot a "gun ban" measure that would prohibit
handgun
> possesion by residents, and would require surrender of all
> handguns possessed by residents within it's corporate boundary,
and
> would ban the sale or transfer of ALL firearms and ammunition,
with
> only minor exceptions such as for non-residents, certain law
> enforcement officials, and other government employees; and
>
> WHEREAS under this measure the former owners of handguns so
> confiscated would not be granted any compensation, and
>
> WHEREAS the measure would effectively put out of business an
ongoing
> firearms retailer within the city limits, thus destoying the
owner's
> equity in the business as well as the owner's and employees'
> livelyhoods, also without compensation;
>
> BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED THAT the Libertarian Party of San
Francisco
> reaffirms the right of San Francisco residents to possess
handguns,
> whether for self-defense or sport or any other lawful purpose,
such as
> they see fit;
>
> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the Libertarian Party of San
Francisco
> reaffirms the right of individuals and the businesses they create
to
> participate in a free and open market in firearms and ammunition;
and
> the right to own and operate or to be employeed in firearms
related
> businesses, without them being arbitrarily and capriciously shut
down;
>
> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the Libertarian Party of San
Francisco
> considers confiscation of legally obtained private property,
> namely handguns, to be an improper function of government, whose
role
> should instead be to protect private property; and that this
> impropriety is compounded by not granting just compensation to
the
> former handgun owners; and finally
>
> BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED THAT the Libertarian Party of San
Francisco
> wishes it to be known far and wide that, for these and other
reasons,
> it opposes the ballot measure "Prohibiting firearms distribution
and
> limiting handgun possession" that is slated to appear on the
ballot in
> San Francisco in November, 2005.
>
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>
>
> You can see the text of the proposed law, here:
> http://www.sfgunban.com/content/sfgb_ordinance.htm
>
> I would appreciate it if you or one of the LPSF members would
submit
> this for a vote of the members present. I would hope that,
amongst
> Libertarians, this would be fairly non-controversial; so long as
> people don't get into picking over every word.
>
> Please let me know the outcome.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> From: Marcy Berry
> To: Richard Newell
> Cc: Michael Denny
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Gun Ban
>
> OOOPS, forgot to copy Mike Denny.
>
> Marcy
>
> From: Marcy Berry
> To: Richard Newell
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Gun Ban
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> Being passionate about everything is good; on behalf of LPSF,
thank
> you for the compliment!
>
> As I recall, Mike Denny is on vacation in Brazil, and will not be
back
> for a while.
>
> I will either:
>
> 1. Introduce for membership vote any resolution I receive.
>
> 2. OR When we discuss the propositions at the meeting request a
> motion for a resolution to be drafted.
>
> Marcy
>
>
>
> From: Richard Newell
> To: Marcy Berry
> Cc: mike@t...
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 5:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Gun Ban
>
> Marcy,
>
> I am surprised there is not more passion. Your little group
seems to
> be passionate about everything else! (Just kidding around with
you.)
>
> More seriously, I know that Mike Denny is featured on the
Committee to
> oppose the SF gun ban's web site:
> http://www.opposegunban.com/
>
> If I can find the time, perhaps I can draft a short
> 'non-controversial' resolution and you or Mike could submit it
for a
> vote. I don't think that I will be able to attend your meeting
this
> weekend - it's already chock full of Libertarian stuff. I have
copied
> Mike on this email, and welcome any suggestions either of you
have.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
>
> From: Marcy Berry <amarcyb@h...>
> Sent: Aug 10, 2005 5:53 PM
> To: Richard Newell <richard@n...>
> Subject: Re: Gun Ban
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> No resolution passed at the LPSF. I brought the subject up a
couple
> of times on the Activist List; there did not seem to be any
passion
> about this.
>
> One of the items in this month's LPSF Agenda is to review all the
> propositions on the November ballot. I made copies of the text
of as
> many as I could and said I would distribute to those who pledged
to
> write ballot arguments by the deadline of 8/19/05 (or used the
text
> for any other useful purpose). This would also be a good time to
> suggest resolutions, which I will do.
>
> I am planning to print the meeting agenda on Friday 12. So if
you
> would like three minutes or so on the agenda to speak about the
gun
> ban, please let me know before Friday 12.
>
> Marcy
> From: Richard Newell<mailto:grnewell@e…>
> To: chair@l…<mailto:chair@l…>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:23 PM
> Subject: Gun Ban
>
>
> Hi Marcy,
>
> Has the LPSF passed any resolutions in opposition to the gun
ban?
>
> If so, would you please send it to me? If not, I suggest it is
high
> time! Perhaps something could be done at this weekend's meeting.
>
> Rich
>
>
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