Right-on...well done...
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From: "mike@..." <mike@...>
To: John Bechtol <javlin@ymail.com>; Martin Fisher <mrcf@...>; Charlie Deist <charlie@...g>
Cc: 'Susan Fisher (Van Horn)' <susan@...>; "myinvestmentguy@..." <myinvestmentguy@...>; "lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com" <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:04 PM
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Glenn Beck & the LNCC
Mission accomplished. Another day…another dollar.
Time for a glass of wine.
Mike
From:John Bechtol [mailto:javlin@…]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:04 PM
To: Martin Fisher; mike@dennyconnect.com; Charlie Deist
Cc: 'Susan Fisher (Van Horn)'; myinvestmentguy@...; lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Glenn Beck & the LNCC
Pete,
Here's the thread. Meet Charlie.
Martin,
Thanks for the info.
Mike,
Thanks for the help.
Charlie,
Here's Pete, he has the scoop on everything Marin.
John
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From:Martin Fisher <mrcf@...>
To: mike@...; 'John Bechtol' <javlin@ymail.com>
Cc: 'Susan Fisher (Van Horn)' <susan@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Glenn Beck & the LNCC
Pete Riopel (used to live) lives at the address on the website, phone listed there is 415 924 3302.
He’s on the website as Treasurer. Paul Kelly as Chair.
The MLP address is his (I think home) address.
Martin
From:mike@dennyconnect.com [mailto:mike@…]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:26 PM
To: Martin Fisher; 'John Bechtol'
Cc: 'Susan Fisher (Van Horn)'
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Glenn Beck & the LNCC
John….do you know who these guys are? I don’t know them.
Mike
From:Martin Fisher [mailto:mrcf@…]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:24 PM
To: mike@...; 'John Bechtol'
Cc: 'Susan Fisher (Van Horn)'
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Glenn Beck & the LNCC
Did you try Paul Kelly or Pete Riopel?
From:mike@... [mailto:mike@…]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:16 PM
To: Martin Fisher; 'John Bechtol'
Cc: 'Susan Fisher (Van Horn)'
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Glenn Beck & the LNCC
They’ll give it up easy…John is basically the new caretaker and what is there was abandoned. It shouldn’t be a problem with the current owners.
Thanks again Martin….
Mike
From:Martin Fisher [mailto:mrcf@…]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:14 PM
To: mike@...; 'John Bechtol'
Cc: 'Susan Fisher (Van Horn)'
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Glenn Beck & the LNCC
I’d recommend getting at least one of the others, org and .us would be the right one’s I’d think.
You can then deal with the forward from the .com when you get it, and they have more reason to give it up cheaper if you already have the others.
M
From:mike@... [mailto:mike@…]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:11 PM
To: John Bechtol
Cc: Susan Fisher (Van Horn) (susan@...); Martin R. Fisher
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Glenn Beck & the LNCC
I don’t see Charlie or Dave copied on that message but in any case, Martin has sent your marching orders. See below.
The phone number at GoDaddy is 480-505-8877 and you might be able to do this from their website at www.GoDaddy.com
Thanks Martin and good luck John, Charlie and Davey.
Mike
From:Martin Fisher [mailto:martin.fisher@solvatech.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:05 PM
To: mike@dennyconnect.com
Cc: 'Susan Fisher'; 'John Bechtol'
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Glenn Beck & the LNCC
You can use GoDaddy’s Domain Buy service and for $70 they will contact the owner and might get them to sell it to you.
.org
.co
.net
.us
are all available.
Martin
From:John Bechtol [mailto:javlin@…]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:56 PM
To: mike@dennyconnect.com
Cc: Susan Fisher (Van Horn) (susan@...); Martin R. Fisher
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Glenn Beck & the LNCC
Thanks Mike, Hi Susan.
Meet Charlie Deist and Dave Jones. Charlie is the research and communication coordinator for the Seasteading Institute.
and Dave Jones is working on the Marin LP facebook page.....when he's not attending his "locker" 
(Pardon my sophomoric humor.)
Are there other non-statists in Marin besides Sam and Paul. How do we find them?
John
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From:"mike@..." <mike@...>
To: John Bechtol <javlin@...>
Cc: "Susan Fisher (Van Horn) (susan@centerforsoul.com)" <susan@...>; Martin R. Fisher <mrcf@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:25 PM
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Glenn Beck & the LNCC
Hi Susan,
The Marin Libertarians seem to have abandoned the website. We have someone who will volunteer time to do the work but they need help figuring out where it is hosted and how to get the keys so they can get under the hood.
Say hello to John Bechtol…he’s trying to fix the problem. Feel free to pitch him on your services to help unravel the mystery. And offer any ideas you might have for the site going forward.
Thanks
Mike
From:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Bechtol
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:20 PM
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Glenn Beck & the LNCC
I have no idea.
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From:"mike@dennyconnect.com" <mike@...>
To: "lpsf-discuss@...m" <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Glenn Beck & the LNCC
Who is hosting it? Paying for it?
Mike
From:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Bechtol
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:50 PM
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Glenn Beck & the LNCC
It's interesting what's going on a long ways away.
But did you hear the Sonoma libertarians and the Marin libertarians are in Gitmo?
Would anybody know otherwise?
Charlie has been ready to upgrade the website for a month but we can't find anybody with the keys.
Help??
John
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From:Nina Ortega <ortegan@...>
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:13 PM
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Glenn Beck & the LNCC
This reminds me of Barry Goldwater's 1964 presidential campaign. His libertarian thoughts were too sophisticated for the general population, and they still are today.
To many, Mr. Goldwater was a man of contradictions. He ended racial segregation in his family department stores, and he was instrumental in ending it in Phoenix schools and restaurants and in the Arizona National Guard. But he also voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, contending that it was unconstitutional (and he was right, of course), and he backed restrictive amendments to earlier civil rights legislation. Blacks voted overwhelmingly against him. He was FOR freedom but they saw him as being FOR discrimination. These are not at all the same, but the general public was (and remains) too unsophisticated to understand the distinction.
Nina
"We should distinguish at this point between 'government' and 'state' ... A government is the consensual organization by which we adjudicate disputes, defend our rights, and provide for certain common needs ... A state on the other hand, is a coercive organization asserting or enjoying a monopoly over the use of physical force in some geographic area and exercising power over its subjects." - David Boaz
From: lpsfactivists <amarcyb@hotmail.com>
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Glenn Beck & the LNCC
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 18, 2013, 2:14 PM
Here is what the visitor I mentioned earlier was trying to say, expressed by Rand Paul.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/weekinreview/23tanenhaus.html?_r=0
BTW, sorry about my repeating my paragraph on the e-mail below. Trying to do toooooooooo many things at once.
Marcy
Some evidence of Libertarian disgust with the horrendous results of interventionism would indeed be appropriate in the National LP website.
I agree with some sentiments expressed on this Discussion List about focusing more on agenda (I guess that means issues) than on branding (I guess that means political parties). I am wondering if Beck was trying to do just that. But I may have missed something
here, and Beck is just trying to bring Libertarians to his camp, just as we Libertarians would love to see the traffic move in the opposite direction.
BTW, I had a good time reading Beck's response to Stossel's response to Coulter's response, and her straight forward "Libertarians are pussies" comment. Interestingly, during our tabling at Sunday Streets last Sunday, Aubrey and I were confronted, not with
Coulter's example about "job discrimination" but with "housing discrimination". Aubrey can correct me if I am wrong, but I thought he and I had to jump through some difficult hoops to explain to the visitor to our table our stance on "discriminating" in our
private property! The visitor's best line was "Well, if you want to discriminate against me because I am gay, maybe I should tell you to put out your own fire rather than pay for public fire fighting when your private property burns down."
Glenn responds to his libertarian critics - Glenn Beck
Interestingly, during our tabling at Sunday Streets last Sunday, Aubrey and I were confronted, not with Coulter's example about "job discrimination" but with "housing discrimination" (what we call freedom of association in private property). Aubrey can correct
me if I am wrong, but I thought he and I had to jump through some difficult hoops to explain to the visitor to our table our stance on "discriminating" in our private property! The visitor's best line was "Well, if you want to discriminate against me because
I am gay, maybe I should tell you to put out your own fire rather than pay for public fire fighting when your private property burns down." In spite of the lively discussion, we parted in good terms, though.
Marcy
>
> Evan,
>
> When you spoke at the Libertarian Party of California convention a week and a half ago as executive director of the Libertarian National Campaign Committee, you said in response to my question about progress in moving the LNCC website away from the conservative
tone/focus it had under Wayne Allyn Root that we could talk about that later. Unfortunately when I tried to approach you again just before the end of the convention, you apparently did not have time to talk, and the event concluded without us having that conversation.
Therefore, and in light of the letter to Glenn Beck sent out by the LNCC today, I am following up, because I feel it is an important issue.
>
> Having just looked at the committee's site (LNCC.org) again today, I'm sorry to say that I still do not see any major shift in the committee's approach since W.A.R. was replaced with Mark Rutherford as chair of the committee. The banner depicting two Democrats
(Obama and Nancy Pelosi) along with one Republican largely discredited among conservatives (George W. Bush) as the bad examples America needs to get away from, remains at the top of the front page. The LNCC's issues page is overwhelmingly focused on issues
that appeal more to people on the right than people on the left (see Issues ), and the manner in which the issues are discussed doesn't do anything to offset that. Even the sole issue presented that is more likely to appeal to people on the left than on the right, Non-Intervention Policy, is discussed primarily in financial terms and in terms of Americans' self-interest. Not a word is said about the humanitarian impact that bombing, drone strikes, and waging war has on civilians in other countries (see http://www.lncc.org/issues/non\-intervention\-policy/ )
>
> Now I see that the LNCC is reaching out to talk show host Glenn Beck, who is generally seen by the public as a conservative and viewed by many on the left the way they view figures like Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh. You have written to him, "I would like
to welcome you to the Libertarian Party." You further encourage the conservative-leaning radio host to "openly and honestly discuss Libertarian philosophy." There's certainly nothing wrong with that, so long as either Beck himself understands that philosophy
or is having that discussion with guests who do, but how can the LNCC credibly ask Beck to openly and honestly discuss libertarianism when the LNCC itself does not do it? At present the LNCC continues to dispense a conservative-flavored take on libertarian
philosophy.
>
> There are some other points in the letter to Glenn Beck that bear mention. The phrase you use to describe your own shift away from an interventionist foreign policy, "I drank the Kool-Aid and saw the light" seems to me an unfortunate choice of words that
an additional pair of eyes or two looking at the letter before it was published might have caught. Was this letter submitted in advance to members of the LNC's Advertising & Publications Review Committee? The LNC Policy Manual (Section II.2, page 24) states
that "The APRC shall review and advise whether public communications of the Party violate our bylaws, Policy Manual or advocate moving public policy in a different direction other than a libertarian direction, as delineated by the Party Platform." Your letter
gives the impression of being a public communication of the Libertarian Party subject to this oversight.
>
> You also write to Beck that,
>
> "I would like for you to understand that the ire and outrage you’ve received in the past couple months from Libertarians comes not from some high-minded purity test or doubt in your sincerity. It swelled from the lack of any acknowledgment of how you
have previously discussed and treated our Party’s philosophy, leadership, candidates and our dedicated activists."
>
> In fact I think many Libertarians do have doubts about Glenn Beck's sincerity in embracing libertarianism. Given the defections of both former conservative members of our 2008 presidential ticket, Bob Barr and Wayne Allyn Root, back to the Republican Party
where they endorsed Mitt Romney over Gary Johnson for president, I think such doubts are entirely reasonable. But if Glenn Beck takes his cue from the LNCC, he may feel that all he has to do in order to show his commitment to libertarianism is pay some modest
lip-service to the idea of a non-interventionist foreign policy, have "a couple" Libertarians on his show and make some vague statement about spiritual growth in accord with what you wrote in your letter, and that in other respects his present conservative-leaning
approach will fit in just fine at the LP. If he comes away with this impression, the LNCC will have done our party and cause a disservice.
>
> It seems to me that between conventions it is the job of the elected members of the Libertarian National Committee, not the unelected members of the Libertarian National Campaign Committee, to set tone and policy for the national Libertarian Party and to
engage in outreach to major public figures on behalf of our party. This would seem to have nothing to do with the LNCC's mission of promoting the campaigns of Libertarian candidates. Is the LNCC experiencing "mission creep"? Where do you draw the line? This
jurisdictional issue is only compounded in my mind by the fact that the LNCC appears to be making little effort to distance itself from the conservative tone established by Wayne Allyn Root, and the committee launching a special effort to welcome a figure
like Glenn Beck to the Libertarian Party further reinforces this perception.
>
> What do you and Mark Rutherford (copied on this email) have to say in response to these concerns?
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>
> P.S. - I have included below a few examples of the types of articles and issues that I think the LNCC could productively feature on its website and in its communications to give less of an impression of being run by conservatives.
>
>
> > cryptogon.com » Gitmo: Prisoners Force Fed, Not Allowed to Die from Hunger Strikes
> > Gitmo: Prisoners Force Fed, Not Allowed to Die from Hunger Strikes
> >
> > April 15th, 2013
> > Via: New York Times:
> > I’ve been detained at Guantánamo for 11 years and three months. I have never been charged with any crime. I have never received a trial.
> > I could have been home years ago â€" no one seriously thinks I am a threat â€" but still I am here. Years ago the military said I was a “guardâ€� for Osama bin Laden, but this was nonsense, like something out of the American movies I used to watch. They don’t even seem to believe it anymore. But they don’t seem to care how long I sit here, either.
> > …
> > I will never forget the first time they passed the feeding tube up my nose. I can’t describe how painful it is to be force-fed this way. As it was thrust in, it made me feel like throwing up. I wanted to vomit, but I couldn’t. There was agony in my
chest, throat and stomach. I had never experienced such pain before. I would not wish this cruel punishment upon anyone.
> > Posted in Atrocities, Dictatorship | Top Of Page
> > 2 Responses to “Gitmo: Prisoners Force Fed, Not Allowed to Die from Hunger Strikes�
> >
> > Mike Lorenz Says:
> > April 15th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
> > Just remember folks, they hate us for our freedom.
> > alvinroast Says:
> > April 16th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
> > @Mike Lorenz Yes they do. The only question being: who is “they�? Clearly not these peasants
>
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> > 9-year-old girl accidentally shot by SWAT team
> >
> >
> >>
> >
> > March 5, 2013
> > Confused after throwing a deafening and blinding "flashbang" into a home, police mistakenly shot and killed a sleeping nine-year-old girl. Nine-year-oldAiyana Jones was sleeping on the couch next to her grandmother in their Detroit, Michigan home when
a SWAT team threw a flashbang through the window, which landed on her blanket. Seconds after Aiyana's blanket caught fire, the SWAT team stormed through the door, and mistakenly shot Aiyana through the neck, killing her. Flashbangs, developed for wartime raids,
have caused severe burns, set homes on fire, induced fatal heart attacks, and confused police officers into thinking they are under gunfire.
> >
> > 7-year-old girl accidentally shot by SWAT team | American Civil Liberties Union
>
>
>
> > Derrick J's Victimless Crime Spree
> >
> > Published on Jul 30, 2012
> >
> > 540 days in jail for dancing, smoking cannabis, going to court, and riding a bike. "Derrick J's Victimless Crime Spree", is a feature-length documentary chronicling liberty activist Derrick J Freeman's exciting first year of activism in The Shire.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU-b5hDJpCo
> >
> > You can order the Director's Cut DVD athttp://victimlesscrimespree.com/dvd
> >
> > Official site: http://victimlesscrimespree.com
> > Official facebook: Redirecting...
> >
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> >
> > Namit Thapa 1 month ago
> > I live in NH... just came to know about you guyz recently... keep it up guyz you are doing a great job.. hope to join you someday
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> > vh04863 2 weeks ago
> > i might just move down there to help them out.
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> Dear Starchild .:
>
> Over the past couple of months, radio personality Glenn Beck has been talking on-air about at his dissatisfaction with Republicans and hinting at a real switch toLibertarianism. The Libertarian National Campaign Committee(LNCC) views this as major opportunity
to grow the Libertarian Party and spread our message of limited government and individual liberty.
>
> With his millions of daily listeners, viewers and readers, Mr. Beck has an army of politically inclined individuals. Imagine the positive impact his on-air conversion could have on Libertarian Party growth and engagement.
>
> While Mr. Beck has traditionally been adverse to Libertarianism, taking a more NeoCon stance, his recent discussions and positions have been evolving towards Libertarian philosophy. But this evolution has been publicly met with criticism and suspicion from
the Libertarian debate society.
>
> In response to the criticism, the LNCC has sent a friendly letter to Mr. Beck. It is our desire to encourage Mr. Beck's personal discovery of his true Libertarian nature and to encourage him to include articulate and educated Libertarians in his broadcasts.
>
> Read the full LNCC letter to Glenn Beck
>
> Boots on the Ground in California
>
>
>
> The mission of the LNCC is simple: Get Libertarians Elected!
>
> While the mission is simple, the task is anything but. We know that one of the biggest factors holding back Libertarian electoral victories is our lack of infrastructure. Not roads and bridges, but basic local party structure. For Libertarians to win, we
need local growth and engagement of members, donors and volunteers.
>
> The forward thinking leadership of the Libertarian Party of California, understanding the importance of implementing a "bottom-up" growth strategy, invited the LNCC to facilitate discussion groups and training sessions on this topic at their state convention.
>
> The response from these in-person discussions and training sessions was inspiring! The local leaders and volunteers were not only 100% engaged, but also excited to take what they had learned back to their respective county party.
>
> And it didn't stop at the convention close. In the 11 days since the convention, the California party has been organizing extended return trips for the LNCC to come work one-on-one with county parties. Together we will set a calendar of fun socializer events,
find sponsorship opportunities for local charities and community group events, create task lists to keep volunteers engaged and develop a goal oriented plan for growing local membership.
>
> Want to see this type of Boots on the Ground training by the LNCC in other states?
>
> LNCC Launches Victory Club
>
> Earlier this month the LNCC kicked off a new giving program that rewards you for financially supporting our mission. The Victory Club.
>
> We have developed a spectacular selection of premium thank you gifts for various contribution levels. Including items like subscription to the LNCC Spotlight quarterly magazine, Victory Club lapel pin, Campaign Fuel Coffee, Victory Club cigars and Champagne,
Limited edition challenge coin, discounted or free tickets to LNCC events and training sessions and more.