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... particularly for those of you who know people who think the LP is all
about sex and drugs. I present our latest competitor, the Guns 'n' Dope
Party: <URL: http://www.gunsanddope.com/ >. They appear to be a project of
Robert Anton Wilson, though (as with most things he does) that's not
completely clear.

~Chris
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Naaaahhhh! Who would ever think that the LP is all about sex and
drugs? After perusing the Official Website of the Guns and Dope
Party (obviously a product of a Libertarian soul), some might perhaps
venture to guess "sex, drugs, and guns." BTW, the OWOTG&DP is
replete with great libertarian quotes and great pictures.

Marcy

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... particularly for those of you who know people who think the LP

is all

about sex and drugs. I present our latest competitor, the Guns 'n'

Dope

Party: <URL: http://www.gunsanddope.com/ >. They appear to be a

project of

Robert Anton Wilson, though (as with most things he does) that's

not

Naaaahhhh! Who would ever think that the LP is all about sex and
drugs?

You are entirely right.

The Libertarian movement is about Sex, Drugs, Money, Weapons, Self-
Expression, the Liberal Arts, Active Intellect, Freedom,
Enlightenment, Standing Forth, and Playing with Fire.

in Libertas!

Jeanie Shiris Ring

P.S. Could someone please forward me the version of the Libertarian
Pledge that says something like:

"I support the right of all persons to do as they so choose, as long
as they respect the equal right of others todoas they so choose."

Also, might I ask who is the other of this variant, and which
organizations in the Party officially use it?

The pledge itself reads:

"I hereby certify that I do not believe in nor advocate the initiation
of force as a means of achieving social or political goals."

The lines you quote are I believe from the Libertarian Party's Statement
of Principles, usually appearing as an introduction to our Platform.

See http://www.lp.org/issues/platform/sop.html for the full text of the
Statement of Principles, with a link to the full Platform.

The Libertarian Party's Statement of Principles
We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the
omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.
We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion
over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they
choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right
of others to live in whatever manner they choose.
Governments throughout history have regularly operated on the opposite
principle, that the State has the right to dispose of the lives of
individuals and the fruits of their labor. Even within the United
States, all political parties other than our own grant to government the
right to regulate the lives of individuals and seize the fruits of their
labor without their consent.
We, on the contrary, deny the right of any government to do these
things, and hold that where governments exist, they must not violate the
rights of any individual: namely, (1) the right to life -- accordingly
we support the prohibition of the initiation of physical force against
others; (2) the right to liberty of speech and action -- accordingly we
oppose all attempts by government to abridge the freedom of speech and
press, as well as government censorship in any form; and (3) the right
to property -- accordingly we oppose all government interference with
private property, such as confiscation, nationalization, and eminent
domain, and support the prohibition of robbery, trespass, fraud, and
misrepresentation.
Since governments, when instituted, must not violate individual rights,
we oppose all interference by government in the areas of voluntary and
contractual relations among individuals. People should not be forced to
sacrifice their lives and property for the benefit of others. They
should be left free by government to deal with one another as free
traders; and the resultant economic system, the only one compatible with
the protection of individual rights, is the free market.

Terry Floyd, Treasurer
Libertarian Party of California, East Bay Region

We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the
omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.

We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole

dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever
manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with
the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.

Sigh... thank you greatly for your trouble, but I unfortunately
cannot use this quote for the purposes I'd had in mind. Actually,
the reasons greatly clarify why I agree with every libertarian
conclusion, quite radically, can follow the deductions, and yet feel
a guest at libertarianism. Still, I expect I will remain a lifetime
Party member.

I know this probably is hopeless and won't be understood in the first
place, but I do wish the Libertarian Party would stop automatically
thinking in terms of exertions and dominions and could think in terms
of expressions and lives. I've strictly nothing against the former
phrasing, and I certainly know how to speak that language. But it
all limits the potential meanings of freedoms to those modelled on
controlling an object.

Yes, I know, instrumental language in strict libertarian reasoning,
grants freedom to art and liesure and the organic aspects of life as
well. But only to the degree those later values can be concieved of,
translated into, or configured as intrumental concerns. Rigorous
Economics implies a free market in art. That is both a crucial thing
to embrace and a most difficult conception of the artistic life.

But Liberty is able to speak in other grammatical voices.

as Liberty,

Jeanine Shiris Ring
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