Great work, Starchild!
Best, Michael
Thanks, guys. Actually I had ample time to collect and write down my thoughts as I was waiting for the other speakers, so it wasn't too on the spot, but I do think I did all right. Was disappointed however to see no mention of me or the LP in the Examiner's front-page story today. On the other hand, if they had mentioned me, they also might have mentioned how overwhelmingly the crowd at the hearing was for the proposal, so perhaps in this case there is some value to having been ignored by the press.
I agree with Marcy that it is vital that we go to more city hearings and such. If we had been doing this, the initiative ideas we've been tossing around would probably be much better informed. I previously suggested the idea of having a program for interns to go to City Hall meetings and report back to us, and I still think this is a good idea. Another possible
Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>
Great work, Starchild!
Best, Michael
From: Acree, Michael
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Ethics Commission Hearing DebacleStarchild:
Let me add my appreciation to everyone else's, not just for showing up,
and for speaking up, as a minority of 1, but also for the very sensitive
framing of your arguments in such a way as to maximize their appeal to
your hostile audience. That's not easy to do, on the spot, under
pressure; but, without that, showing up, and even speaking up, may not
count for much.Mike
From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Amarcy D. Berry
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:45 AM
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Ethics Commission Hearing DebacleStarchild,
I am adding my thank you also, not only for your having attended this
particular meeting, but for all the effort your always put into working
for freedom. With you, there are no excuses (such as mine yesterday for
bowing out of going); you are there representing our point of view.Thank you also for the detailed report. Yes, it is discouraging that
our representation at public forums is always low or non existent.
For some reason the liberals know that every nation has the government
it deserves, but we do not seem to understand that. So, we get the
goverment, local and otherwise, the liberals dictate through their
greater activism.We need to attend more public forums, and I pledge to me more
responsible in the future.Regards,
Marcy
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Derek Jensen <derekj72@g...>
wrote:
>
> Probably because they were working at their jobs. Someone has to
fund
> all this government largesse
>
> > On Tuesday, December 20, 2005, at 12:17 AM, Starchild wrote (in
part):
> >
> > > In particular I noticed that the comments by the representative
> > > from SPUR (the San Francisco Planning and
Urban
> > > Research Association) were warmly perceived, perhaps because
SPUR is
> > > not a notably left-wing group. A SPUR supporting the
legislation listed
> > > Mark Mosher of the pro-business Committee On Jobs on the
letterhead as
> > > one of their many board members.
> >
> > I noticed a couple errors in my above paragraph. "Perceived"
should
> > have been "received," and I left the word "memo" out of the second
> > sentence (after "SPUR").
> >
> > Morey, thanks for your feedback. I do appreciate the positive
outlook,
> > and agree with you about the sometimes difficult to see benefits
of
> > activism. The feeling of futility was momentary; I know that even
in
> > San Francisco there are undoubtedly many people, perhaps even a
> > majority, who would oppose this legislation. Unfortunately they
just
> > weren't at the hearing.
> >
> > Yours in liberty,
> > <<< Starchild >>>
> >
> > From: Morey Straus <morey.straus@g...>
> >
>
> --
> View my blog at http://derekj72.blogspot.com
>
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Another possible idea is to schedule particular Board of Supervisors meetings as official LPSF activities, so that hopefully a bunch of us will go. If too few people have volunteered by a certain date, then add a free lunch or dinner afterward as an incentive for those who do show up.
Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>
Dear Starchild;
There are some 67 committees and commissions serving the politicians of San Francisco and by extension hopefully the people of San Francisco.
Somewhere around City Hall there has to be a Master Posting Board of commission and committee meetings posted in advance as required under Sunshine laws.
We need someone who has the time to be who could be a spotter who would daily review these postings and report back to the LPSF as what committee was meeitng and when.
As an example the Ethics committee meeting was changed from its normal time to 6:00 pm - why was this done and when was this done? What input from the public was done in advance to allow people to speak to the time change let alone such a dramatic piece of ordinance.
Another example because of the hotel tax we have been talking repealing. Just by chance I looked at the Mayors Housing Committee and look what I found. I am ceratin the Arts for the Grants people would love to know the Hotel Tax for the arts went went to a politically connected group for housing construction.
Who let that bid and when was it let and who approved it with what construction firm??
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
CITYWIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING LOAN COMMITTEE
Director, Mayor�s Office of Housing
Executive Director, San Francisco Redevelopment Agency
Director, Housing and Homeless Programs (Department of Human Services)
Director, Housing and Urban Health (Department of Public Health)
Friday, November 18, 2005 11:00 A.M.
770 Golden Gate Avenue
Commission Board Room, Room 300
AGENDA
REQUEST FOR FUNDS FOR NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING:
1. Mason Street (Mason Street Housing)
$560,966 in Hotel Tax financing for predevelopment
New construction of 56 studio units of supportive housing for chronically homeless population
Glide Economic Development Corporation (GEDC) and Tenderloin Neighborhood Development Corporation (TNDC)
Starchild <sfdreamer@...> wrote:
Thanks, guys. Actually I had ample time to collect and write down my
thoughts as I was waiting for the other speakers, so it wasn't too on
the spot, but I do think I did all right. Was disappointed however to
see no mention of me or the LP in the Examiner's front-page story
today. On the other hand, if they had mentioned me, they also might
have mentioned how overwhelmingly the crowd at the hearing was for the
proposal, so perhaps in this case there is some value to having been
ignored by the press.
I agree with Marcy that it is vital that we go to more city hearings
and such. If we had been doing this, the initiative ideas we've been
tossing around would probably be much better informed. I previously
suggested the idea of having a program for interns to go to City Hall
meetings and report back to us, and I still think this is a good idea.
Another possible
Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>