Dear Ron,
Yep! All of them woids.
; - )
— In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty <tradergroupe@…>
wrote:
Dear Marcy;
PAX??
Did you really mean to say: salaam or frieden or paix or paz or
sholem or he ping or as the Comanche’s say - Tsumukikiatu ( try
saying that one three times in a row without tying up your tongue)Ukuthula!! (Zulu)
Ron Getty
SF LibertarianP.S. Speaking about talking in tongues. When early Romans were
stalking about early European Gaul and Roman soldiers got captured
because they spoke a different tongue the native Gaul guys would cut
out the Roman tongues and eat the tongues because they thought it
would make it possible for them to talk Roman.The Romans countered by cutting off the thumbs of captured Gauls
so the Gauls coudn’t hold weapons in their hands.Barbarity rules - even today.
“Amarcy D. Berry” <amarcyb@…> wrote:
Dear Ron,OK, so as a true Libertarian you do not care for the
word “control.”
And, OK, the article does not use such a word, although it does
imply
such an action.And OK, as the saying goes, “we will [amicably!] agree to disagree,”
and work towards reducing the size and scope of government in our
own
way.Pax!
Marcy
— In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty <tradergroupe@>
wrote:Dear Marcy;
Control??!! It’s just like after Reagan got shot and Alexander
Haig said: I’m in control.Yeah Right - Un hunh
Okay all those in favor of putting Marcy in Control of our
Social
Contracts raise their right hands!!!Ron Getty
SF Libertarian“Amarcy D. Berry” <amarcyb@> wrote:
Dear Ron,Thank you for the article by Shaffer, which supports my
contention
that 1) a social contract (Constitution, etc) is of benefit to
us;
and 2) it is to our benefit to remain vigilant to ensure that our
social contract remains under our control, otherwise the thought
is
lost as to who is boss.Marcy
— In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty <tradergroupe@>
wrote:Dear Marcy and Mike and Mike and Mike;
Butler Shaffer has an excellent article on Lew Rockwell
about:
The Indiviudal or the State.http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer136.html
As he says in his article:
While social organization is essential to our personal well-
being, a danger arises when any organization becomes
institutionalized (i.e., when the organization becomes its own
reason
for being, rather than a cooperative tool for mutual individual
interests).It makes for interesting reading and so it appears does the
Book
he wrote about his Chaos Theory.Ron Getty
SF Libertarian“Amarcy D. Berry” <amarcyb@> wrote:
Dear Ron,Yes, yes, I agree!! Have always agreed!!! No argument from
me!!!
So, thank you for your work in writing Letters to the Editor,
thank
you to Mike A. for writing his articles, thank you to so many
Libs
out there who are doing something about the challenges we
face.
No
point focusing on what is not too terrific; lets focus on
working
towards making things better.Marcy
— In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty
<tradergroupe@>
wrote:Dear Mike and Everyone Else;
The FEMA Concentration Camps are very real. See this Google
url
with 233,000 lisitngs about FEMA concentration camps.Each camp is ready to go right now with Bush only needing
some
faint excuse to start rounding people up and slinging them into
the
Concentration Camps.It would only take some phony staged event like the
Reichstag
Fire in Hitlers Germany where Herr Chancellor for the good of
the
people suspended all the rights but the right to be a Nazi…Hello Gulag Archipelago - AND - IT CAN HAPPEN HERE IN
THE
GOOD OLD USA. Just remember what happened to the Japanese after
Pearl
Harbor if you have any doubts.WAKE UP!!!
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian“Acree, Michael” <acreem@> wrote:
Deal (as it was when we started).As to the effectiveness of our Constitution, we definitely
differ.
Here’s an article from today’s Rational Review News Digest:It can’t happen here
The Power of Narrative
by Arthur Silber
“I’ve made this point repeatedly over the last several years,
and
it is
only a measure of the remarkably primitive quality of our
national
conversation that so many Americans seem incapable of
grasping
it.
To
put the point the other way, which will hopefully penetrate
the
wall of
resistance erected by so many people: the only reason you
aren’t
in
a
concentration camp right now is because Bush hasn’t decided
to
send
you
to one – yet.” (04/30/06)http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2006/04/it-cant-happen-
here.htmlFrom: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amarcy
D.
Berry
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 10:27 PM
To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: Constitution Worship Undermines
the
Cause
for FreedomMike,
Well…we don’t have a state religion (no 10 commandments in
City
Hall),
we do have a free press (Ron Getty need not be too concerned
calling the
City police “disfunctional”), and we can peacefully assemble
(lots
just
did regarding immigaration). So, the Constitution looks
pretty
effective to me. Again, I do not know whether the same thing
could
be
achieved without a written document, since that feat has
never
been
achieved in heterogeneous complex groups.Yes, you are correct that most unfortunately all the laws and
rules
in
the world did not keep you from harm. And, yes, you are
correct
that we
could “organize to defend ourselves.” I suppose where we
differ
is
that, 1) I cannot visualize any system that would keep
every member a group from harm; the best we can do is to
choose
a
system that will keep most from harm; and 2) we can
organize
to
defend ourselves in a variety of ways (neighborhood watch,
group
instruction in self defense methods, town hall meetings to
bring
about
safer streets, walking buddies).On second thought, it is OK if we do not agree on whether the
Constitution helps or hinders liberty; or whether it is
better
to
be a
minimalist or an anarchist. We keep moving toward your goal
of
a
rule-free society, which necessarily means moving toward my
goal
of
a
least-amount-of-rules-as-possible society! Deal?Marcy
— In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, “Acree, Michael”
<acreem@>
wrote:Thanks, Justin. Of course, we know that “are guaranteed”
and “shall
make no law” were about equally effective.From: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin
T.
Sampson
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 1:29 PM
To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpsf-activists] Re: Constitution Worship
Undermines
the
Cause for FreedomYour comparison with Argentina is especially interesting.
I
haven’t
read Argentina’s Constitution, but I wouldn’t be
surprised
if
it
were
rather similar to ours. The Soviet Union famously had a
Constitution
which supposed guaranteed all sorts of wonderful things.
If
that’s
true, it inclines me to think that it isn’t the
Constitution
that’s
making the difference, so much as something about the
culture.
Again,
the point that, if the supporting culture is there, the
Constitution
is superfluous; if it isn’t, a Constitution won’t help.The Soviet “constitution” actually had some interesting,
and
perhaps
important, stylistic differences from the Constitution for
the
USA.
Whereas the Constitution for the USA is a foundational legal
document,
dominated by “shall’s” and “shall not’s”, the Soviet
constitution
was
more of a press release every several years, dominated
by “is’s”,
“do’s”, and “have’s”.USA: “Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment
of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging
the
freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the
people
peaceably
to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress
of
grievances.”http://constitution.org/billofr_.htm
USSR: “In accordance with the interests of the people and
in
order
to
strengthen and develop the socialist system, citizens of
the
USSR
are
guaranteed freedom of speech, of the press, and of
assembly,
meetings,
street processions and demonstrations.
Exercise of these political freedoms is ensured by putting
public
buildings, streets and squares at the disposal of the
working
people and
their organisations, by broad dissemination of information,
and
by
the
opportunity to use the press, television, and radio.”http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/russian/const/77cons02.html
(Emphasis on “shall make no law” and “are guaranteed” is
mine.)Cheers,
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