Dear Ron,
I am getting steadily deeper in my dilemmas! As a libertarian I should
vote "no" on everything that requires public funding (euphemism for
plundering). As a parent familiar with the predicament of children
relegated to often miserable public schools, I feel I need to vote
"yes" for what might improve the kids' lot. So, your arguments are
correct, but they do not help my quandary!
Marcy
Dear Marcy;
that situation is called plunder to fund involuntary philanthrophy
or as Frederic Bastiat so aptly put it the broken window theory on
money and its uses.
Therefore Libertarian speaking wise by applying the broken window
theory let the parents of the jrotc fund the jrotc if they want a
jrotc. If the parents think the money they would be having to hand
over is not worth the handing over then junk the jrotc and stop
forcing all of us to fund the jrotc.
The broken window theory also applies to medi-cal and Laguna Honda.
If there wasn't the state coercively taking the money from tax payers
and funding those relics would free citizens give up their money for a
charitable purpose to help those in need?
Up until FDR came along the answer would be yes as charity did do
real nice even in the face of the worst days of the Depression. This
would have continued but the State chose to take over those functions
in a power drive to get more control and more money.
He who controls the money controls the country.
Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
Hostis res Publica
Morte ai TiranniFrom: Amarcy D. Berry <amarcyb@...>
To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:11:57 PM
Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: Choice to KillDear Ron,
Not a perfect world, eh? What happens when my tax dollars go to fund
MediCal, or Laguna Honda Home, or public assistance non-profits (trust
me, we pay for that too), or midnight basketball, or...the list is
endless. None of these "services" are for me, or have my support. We
have a system that pools all the mula and distributes it from each
according to his ability to each according to his need, as determined
at the ballot box. So, I find myself always saying, given the system,
what is best. In the case of vouchers or JROTC, if they are voted in,
OK by me, since I view an educated new generation a good thing.Marcy
>
> Dear Rob and Marcy;
> What happens when school vouchers are used to allow parents a choice
of schools which could include a parochial school?
> This is leaving aside for the moment that school vouchers are
funded by taxes and as such tax wise aren't any better than parents
who home school and still have to pay that portion of their property
taxes to pay for someone else's children to attend public school as
well as all those people who do not have children but still must pay
to send kids to public schools.
> On that point some 12,000 seniors have applied to be exempted from
the school parcel tax to pay for teachers pay raises or some $2
million in taxes. They must also apply yearly for renewal - how nice
of the school board to do that.
>
> Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
> Hostis res Publica
> Morte ai Tiranni
>
>
>
>
> From: Rob Power <chair@>
> To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:45:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [lpsf-activists] Re: Choice to Kill
>
> Easy answer.
>
> You don't pay for those parochial schools, so you don't get a vote.
> Your Atheism doesn't matter.
>
> Michael and I do pay for the government schools' JROTC programs,
so we
> do get a vote. Our objection to the U.S. Military does matter.
>
> There is no right to use other peoples' money for something they
don't
> want to use it for.
>
> Amarcy D. Berry wrote:
> > Dear Michael,
> >
> > What if I said I am against giving freely-choosing parents the
option
> > to send their kids to parochial schools, because, say, I am an
> > atheist. I would find the restriction of choice not a good thing,
> > especially for a libertarian. My point is that if we
libertarians are
> > so much in favor of choice, that would include even choices we
do not
> > agree with personally.
> >
> > Marcy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Dear Marcy,
> >>
> >> I'm not clear where you see a conflict between my two sides.
> >>
> >> Best, Michael
> >>
> >> From: "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@>
> >> To: <lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:16 PM
> >> Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: Choice to Kill
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Dear Michael,
> >>>
> >>> I have admitted that my "brother's keeper" side often interferes
> >>> with
> >>> my libertarian side. So, I "forgive" you that your anti-war side
> >>> interfered with your libertarian side when you stated that you are
> >>> against freely-choosing parents having the option to send
their kids
> >>> to the military. (I am focusing here on the issue of choice, for
> >>> now,
> >>> and letting pass the words "sending" or "the military" when
> >>> referring
> >>> to JROTC.)
> >>>
> >>> Marcy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Jeremy,
> >>>>
> >>>> You wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I don't know what the "separation of school and state" has
> >>>>> anything
> >>>>> to do with this. <
> >>>>>
> >>>> Since JROTC is in the teaching business (teaching discipline and
> >>>> good
> >>>> training) it's functioning like a school.
> >>>>
> >>>> As you do, I also put my trust in the parents, not the Govt
> >>>> bureaucrats. However, I'm against even freely-choosing parents
> >>>> having
> >>>> the option to send their kids to the military.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best, Michael
> >>>>
> >>>> From: "Jeremy Linden" <jlinden@>
> >>>> To: <lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com>
> >>>> Cc: "Anthony Gregory" <anthony.gregory@>
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:07 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [lpsf-activists] Choice to Kill
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Dear Marcy,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If the purpose of JROTC involves "teaching discipline and good
> >>>>>> training," I vote "No."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I strongly support the separation of school and state.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I don't know what the "separation of school and state" has
> >>>>> anything
> >>>>> to do
> >>>>> with this. Even if you believe there shouldn't be any public
> >>>>> schools,
> >>>>> whether you like it or not, we currently DO have public
schools,
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> question is whether government bureaucrats, using the
students as