Candidates for state office should be familiar with this

From the SF Chronicle, 8/27/03 (p. B5):

$98.9 billlion 2003 state budget
This was presented as a pie chart, but here are the numbers*

K-12 Education 45.7%
Health 14%
Higher Education 10.7%
Social Services 9.3%
Corrections 5.1%
Transportation 5.1%
Judiciary 3.8%
Other 5.2%

*note that figures do not add up to 100% due to rounding

  It appears that the separation of school and state could completely solve California's financial woes in a heartbeat. Short of that, even a voucher or tax credit plan by which the state paid several thousand dollars less per pupil would do wonders. I wonder if the people who complain that we don't spend enough money on education are aware of these figures.

Yours in liberty,
                <<< Starchild >>>

Thanks for posting these figures. I'd be to know the number of kids in public schools so we can calculate the spending per individual.

-- Steve

Steve,

  I've seen that figure elsewhere. I believe the state spends around $9000 per pupil, whereas most non-government schools spend a few thousand less and voucher proposals have often been around $4K or $5K, but don't quote me.

              <<< Starchild >>>

Let's see if we can get the numbers broken out by standard vs special needs.
Unfortunately, California's imaginary right to a free special needs education
inside a mainstream school is the cause of much of this waste. In a free
market system, there would only be a few special needs schools, which would
have a much higher per-capita cost of operation, but the overall system would
be much less expensive. If we just go into a debate saying "99 billion
divided by x million children is y thousand dollars per child for substandard
education", the opponent will try to act better informed than us by saying
that it's not that simple because of special needs kids, kids in rural areas,
kids in high crime urban areas, etc., all needing special funding. If we beat
them to the punch by laying out a much more cost-effective and rational
education solution that addresses all of these concerns, they can't out-"wonk"
us on these issues.

Dear Everyone;

Please note while K-12 is 45.7% there is also the 10.7% for higher education. This means 56.4% of the 98.9 Billion budget or $55.7796 Billion for education.

To

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Starchild <sfdreamer@...> wrote:
From the SF Chronicle, 8/27/03 (p. B5):

$98.9 billlion 2003 state budget
This was presented as a pie chart, but here are the numbers*

K-12 Education 45.7%
Health 14%
Higher Education 10.7%
Social Services 9.3%
Corrections 5.1%
Transportation 5.1%
Judiciary 3.8%
Other 5.2%

*note that figures do not add up to 100% due to rounding

      It appears that the separation of school and state could completely
solve California's financial woes in a heartbeat. Short of that, even a
voucher or tax credit plan by which the state paid several thousand
dollars less per pupil would do wonders. I wonder if the people who
complain that we don't spend enough money on education are aware of
these figures.

Yours in liberty,
                                                <<< Starchild >>>

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Dear Everyone;

Please note while K-12 is 45.7% there is also the 10.7% for higher education. This means 56.4% of the 98.9 Billion budget or $55.7796 Billion for education.

To bad

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Starchild <sfdreamer@...> wrote:
From the SF Chronicle, 8/27/03 (p. B5):

$98.9 billlion 2003 state budget
This was presented as a pie chart, but here are the numbers*

K-12 Education 45.7%
Health 14%
Higher Education 10.7%
Social Services 9.3%
Corrections 5.1%
Transportation 5.1%
Judiciary 3.8%
Other 5.2%

*note that figures do not add up to 100% due to rounding

      It appears that the separation of school and state could completely
solve California's financial woes in a heartbeat. Short of that, even a
voucher or tax credit plan by which the state paid several thousand
dollars less per pupil would do wonders. I wonder if the people who
complain that we don't spend enough money on education are aware of
these figures.

Yours in liberty,
                                                <<< Starchild >>>

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Dear Everyone;

Picking up where I accidentally left off in the previous entry:

To bad our Educrats do not know the difference between education and learning. Education is a personal life long experience on life and living. Learning is what you get in schools if you are real lucky. Too bad a large portion of that billion dollar budget is bureaucratic administrators, facilities to park their fat butts, fat salaries, benefits, pensions and trips to educational seminars.

Too bad a lot of todays schools are nothing more than juvenile community prisons to keep gangs off the streets for at least a part of the day. Too bad todays schools force attendance by those who could care less about learning. Forced attendance just to keep up attendance figures so the school gets is cut of the take for attendance. Too bad going to school means getting bused to fulfill some cock-eyed judges theory of why schools need diversity. Diversity at what price! Too bad going to a high school today means you do not learn Reading' writing and arithmetic but means learning - gangs, drugs and guns.

I say we stop talking about schools and whatever the tax take is for schools and get really radical. Push for a state initiative to ban all taxes in California. Screw half way measures - Go For Broke! Let the politicians eat chad!

Then after banning state taxes get really radical and secede from the Union. Why should we pay all those Federal taxes anymore than state taxes? Lets form the country of California! Screw George Bush and his $87 Billion for Halliburton!!!

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Ronald Getty <tradergroupe@...> wrote:
Dear Everyone;

Please note while K-12 is 45.7% there is also the 10.7% for higher education. This means 56.4% of the 98.9 Billion budget or $55.7796 Billion for education.

To bad

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Starchild <sfdreamer@...> wrote:
From the SF Chronicle, 8/27/03 (p. B5):

$98.9 billlion 2003 state budget
This was presented as a pie chart, but here are the numbers*

K-12 Education 45.7%
Health 14%
Higher Education 10.7%
Social Services 9.3%
Corrections 5.1%
Transportation 5.1%
Judiciary 3.8%
Other 5.2%

*note that figures do not add up to 100% due to rounding

      It appears that the separation of school and state could completely
solve California's financial woes in a heartbeat. Short of that, even a
voucher or tax credit plan by which the state paid several thousand
dollars less per pupil would do wonders. I wonder if the people who
complain that we don't spend enough money on education are aware of
these figures.

Yours in liberty,
                                                <<< Starchild >>>

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