Candidates for Sheriff

Starchild wrote:

No need to feel responsible for a non-libertarian politician's

actions if he or she appeared to be the best choice on the ballot
when you voted for the person.<

Quite an evasion!

Since you know politicians lie, and since you know politicians
love using the power of the gun to further their own Republican
or Democratic values, pleading ignorance won't work.

You did what you could,<

You did not do what you could. You could have taken a
principled stand by refusing to sanction their treachery with
your vote.

Best, Michael
www.ThreeMinuteTherapy.com

Michael,

  It seems to me that the only way to reliably stop governments from
doing bad things in your name or with your assistance, even if
unwillingly provided, is to die (and get someone reliable to make sure
your name is removed from the voter rolls!)

   I think you'll have to admit that suicide would be the ultimate
principled stand, but sometimes doing the most principled thing flies
in the face of common sense and is not the course of action most likely
to move us toward a free society.

Yours in liberty,
                <<< Starchild >>>

Starchild wrote:

No need to feel responsible for a non-libertarian politician's

actions if he or she appeared to be the best choice on the ballot
when you voted for the person.<

Quite an evasion!

Since you know politicians lie, and since you know politicians
love using the power of the gun to further their own Republican
or Democratic values, pleading ignorance won't work.

You did what you could,<

You did not do what you could. You could have taken a
principled stand by refusing to sanction their treachery with
your vote.

Best, Michael
www.ThreeMinuteTherapy.com

From: "Starchild" <sfdreamer@earthlink.net>
To: <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:32 PM
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Candidates for Sheriff

Michael,

No need to feel responsible for a non-libertarian politician's actions
if he or she appeared to be the best choice on the ballot when you
voted for the person. You did what you could, and it sure beats not
voting and thus sharing the responsibility for an even less
libertarian
candidate getting elected if the other person wins.

As far as the candidates for Sheriff go, I don't have an opinion yet
either Francoise. I may try to call them up and question them
individually, and I would recommend that others do the same. This
should yield some worthwhile information, and hearing from a bunch of
libertarians could make an impression.

Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>

Dear Françoise,

I never vote for non-libertarian candidates. I would feel partly
responsible if my candidate won, then acted to increase the
size or scope of govt. (Of course, a Libertarian office-holder
could do the same. However, I estimate the chances to be
significantly less.)

Moreover, a candidate not steeped in libertarian thought
lies much more often during the campaign. I guarantee
you, for example, that if Howard Dean happens to be
elected president, his anti-war rhetoric will be softened
dramatically. This type of vote-getting behavior occurs
promiscuously at every election. Never trust their promises
and posturing!

Best, Michael

From: "Francoise Fielding" <Portia1948@msn.com>
To: "LibertarianPartyDiscuss" <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:46 PM
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Candidates for Sheriff

I know we voted not to recommend either of the candidates but does
anyone want to suggest why one should vote for one or the other. I
feel completely in the dark on this one.
Francoise

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Michael,

  It seems to me that the only way to reliably stop governments from doing bad things in your name or with your assistance, even if unwillingly provided, is to die (and get someone reliable to make sure your name is removed from the voter rolls!)

   I think you'll have to admit that suicide would be the ultimate principled stand, but sometimes doing the most principled thing flies in the face of common sense and is not the course of action most likely to move us toward a free society.

Yours in liberty,
                <<< Starchild >>>

Dear Starchild;

If you lived in Chicago even dying wouldn't work. There have been
numerous documented reports of dead people in Chicago reliably and
consistently and continually voting for several years after their
death. Even wooden stakes through the heart didn't work.

In California it still would be difficult to get removed. Thanks to
former State Senator Milton Marks of SF the usual voter rolls purge
was changed from if you don't vote during presidential general
elections you would be purged from the voter rolls before the next
general presidential elections. The change made it if the Post
Office sent back a voter card as no longer at that address then the
Registrar would delete the voter.

It seems under the old system too many Democrats were being purged
from the voter rolls and this didn't look good especially in
presidential election years. You just gotta love them rock-ribbed
never move anywhere always vote Republicans for giving Democrats
conniption fits.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

P.S. For all you New York Yankee fans - there's always next year!!!

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:

Michael,

  It seems to me that the only way to reliably stop

governments from

doing bad things in your name or with your assistance, even if
unwillingly provided, is to die (and get someone reliable to make

sure

your name is removed from the voter rolls!)

   I think you'll have to admit that suicide would be the

ultimate

principled stand, but sometimes doing the most principled thing

flies

in the face of common sense and is not the course of action most

likely

to move us toward a free society.

Yours in liberty,
                <<<

Starchild >>>

> Starchild wrote:
>> No need to feel responsible for a non-libertarian politician's
> actions if he or she appeared to be the best choice on the

ballot

> when you voted for the person.<
>
> Quite an evasion!
>
> Since you know politicians lie, and since you know politicians
> love using the power of the gun to further their own Republican
> or Democratic values, pleading ignorance won't work.
>
>> You did what you could,<
>
> You did not do what you could. You could have taken a
> principled stand by refusing to sanction their treachery with
> your vote.
>
> Best, Michael
> www.ThreeMinuteTherapy.com
>
> From: "Starchild" <sfdreamer@e...>
> To: <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:32 PM
> Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Candidates for Sheriff
>
>
> Michael,
>
> No need to feel responsible for a non-libertarian politician's

actions

> if he or she appeared to be the best choice on the ballot when

you

> voted for the person. You did what you could, and it sure beats

not

> voting and thus sharing the responsibility for an even less
> libertarian
> candidate getting elected if the other person wins.
>
> As far as the candidates for Sheriff go, I don't have an opinion

yet

> either Francoise. I may try to call them up and question them
> individually, and I would recommend that others do the same. This
> should yield some worthwhile information, and hearing from a

bunch of

> libertarians could make an impression.
>
> Yours in liberty,
> <<< Starchild >>>
>
>
>
>> Dear Françoise,
>>
>> I never vote for non-libertarian candidates. I would feel partly
>> responsible if my candidate won, then acted to increase the
>> size or scope of govt. (Of course, a Libertarian office-holder
>> could do the same. However, I estimate the chances to be
>> significantly less.)
>>
>> Moreover, a candidate not steeped in libertarian thought
>> lies much more often during the campaign. I guarantee
>> you, for example, that if Howard Dean happens to be
>> elected president, his anti-war rhetoric will be softened
>> dramatically. This type of vote-getting behavior occurs
>> promiscuously at every election. Never trust their promises
>> and posturing!
>>
>> Best, Michael
>>
>> From: "Francoise Fielding" <Portia1948@m...>
>> To: "LibertarianPartyDiscuss" <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:46 PM
>> Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Candidates for Sheriff
>>
>>
>> I know we voted not to recommend either of the candidates but

does

>> anyone want to suggest why one should vote for one or the

other. I

>> feel completely in the dark on this one.
>> Francoise
>>
>>
>>
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>> ---------------------~-->
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> Lexmark
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&

You did not do what you could. You could have taken a

principled stand by refusing to sanction their treachery with
your vote.

I must say that I agree with this statement. I will re-iterate ad infinitum, that I believe that the lessor of two evils is still EVIL. I cannot, in good conscience, vote for someone that I have good reason to believe is one of the above. I made that mistake once in my political life, and I have regretted it ever since. I allowed someone to persuade me that "I just had to vote for the one, so that the other would not be elected." I will not, out of sheer embarassment, divulge the names of the two mentioned above, but it was a grave error on my part and their's as well, I might add.
I would like to share an experience of mine with you to illustrate my feelings a bit more vividly. On election day during the Clinton versus Bush campaign, I was sorely tempted to vote for Clinton because as early as 1100 it was obvious that Bush was being felled. Fortunately, I had a friend/co-worker that was also a poll worker, and he came into my office to tell me that the then Libertarian candidate Andre Marou was in the bank. What good fortune! I went out and met him, and told him of my dilemna. Basically I said (that with no offense intended,) we both knew that he was not going to win, so why should I vote for him when my vote could help rid the country of George Bush Sr? His answer will stay with me always; "If every voter voted with their conscience, I would be President." My quandry was solved, I thanked him very much, and went to the poll that evening with the Clinton land-slide news ringing in my ears, and voted for Mr. Marou. This was (obviously) a profound experience
for me, and I learned something very valuable from it. I must hasten to add, that I was born under the sign of Scorpio, and tend to be rather fixed and extreme. So, I do not expect everyone to feel this way, but I had to respond.

Thanking-you for the soap-box,
Leilani

Starchild <sfdreamer@...> wrote:
Michael,

      It seems to me that the only way to reliably stop governments from
doing bad things in your name or with your assistance, even if
unwillingly provided, is to die (and get someone reliable to make sure
your name is removed from the voter rolls!)

      I think you'll have to admit that suicide would be the ultimate
principled stand, but sometimes doing the most principled thing flies
in the face of common sense and is not the course of action most likely
to move us toward a free society.

Yours in liberty,
                                                <<< Starchild >>>