Ballot Initiative

Hi Michael,

You asked for the list of initiatives. Here it is from the Minutes of
12/11/04. Thanks for stepping up to the plate.

Marcy

Cap the salaries of individuals employed by the City.

Require City police badge numbers prominently stenciled in the back
of uniforms.

Decriminalize marijuana, and/or eliminate funding for police action.

Require a resolution that the war on drugs is unconstitutional.

Require that City Supervisors abide by the same rules as private
citizens when placing measures on the ballot.

Phil Berg contributed the following suggestions:

Require the City to issue its own driver's licenses, good for driving
in the City and surrounding areas.

Roll back a City tax.

--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Michael R. Edelstein"
<dredelstein@t...> wrote:

Marcy,

If you let me know where I can find the proposed initiatives, I

will

be able to answer your Q.

Best, Michael

From: "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...>
To: <lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:24 PM
Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: Ballot Initiative

>
>
> Thank you, Michael. What initiative are you voting for?
>
> Marcy
>
>
> --- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Michael R. Edelstein"
> <dredelstein@t...> wrote:
>> I will volunteer to be an initiative writer on the Committee,
>> if someone with legal knowledge, e.g., Jawj, agrees to
>> edit it for legal standing.
>>
>> Best, Michael
>> www.ThreeMinuteTherapy.com
>>
>> From: "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...>
>> To: <lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:29 AM
>> Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: Ballot Initiative
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > No need for anyone to be "in charge" of the Ballot Committee

(or

> any
>> > other project). You, Phil, and Michael E. have been discussing
> this
>> > project. I will "join" the Committee if/when I see that the
> project
>> > has moved from the discussion stage to the direct action

stage.

>> > I
>> > will consider the project to be in the direct action stage

when a

>> > reasonable number of our core activists (say, six?) agrees on

ONE

>> > ballot initiative and commits at least some work and/or money.
>> > So
>> > far (and correct me if I am wrong), Phil and I have committed
> time
>> > to
>> > the curb rights initiative, Mike Denny has committed at least
> $500
>> > to
>> > whatever initiative is chosen, and Mike Acree has said he will
> not
>> > be
>> > able to commit time or money to any initiative right now.
>> >
>> > I will again suggest e-mails from our activists committing to

one

> of
>> > the initiatives on our list; and if there is a concensus, we

move

> to
>> > the active stage. If anyone wants to include a preliminary

vote

>> > on
>> > how the choice is to be conducted, fine too.
>> >
>> > Marcy
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild

<sfdreamer@e...>

>> > wrote:
>> >> Sorry about that Marcy, I guess I overlooked or forgot that
>> > part of
>> >> your message. All right, I'm interested in being on the
> committee.
>> > How
>> >> do we decide committee meeting schedule and action? Is

someone

>> >> in
>> >> charge?
>> >>
>> >> <<< Starchild >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Hi Starchild,
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. Yup, Ballot Initiative Committee it is. Created while I

was

>> >> > composing my e-mail to this list a couple of days ago (you
>> >> > read
>> > the e-
>> >> > mail because you responded to it!)
>> >> >
>> >> > 2. As is the case with all LPSF committees, everybody is a
> member
>> > who
>> >> > wants to be one. "Appointing" Libertarians is a

contradiction

>> >> > ...
>> >> > like "herding" cats.
>> >> >
>> >> > Marcy
>> >> >
>> >> > --- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild
> <sfdreamer@e...>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> Thanks for the clarification, Marcy. Ballot Initiative
>> >> > Committee? I
>> >> >> didn't know we had such a committee. Does it have any
>> >> >> members,
>> > and
>> >> > if
>> >> >> so, who are they and when were they appointed?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yours in liberty,
>> >> >> <<< Starchild >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Hi Starchild,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Poor sentence punctuation on my part! Only the first part

of

>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> sentence regarding the complexity of the initiative

process

> was
>> >> >>> intended to be attributed to you!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> We did mention methods of choosing an initiative at the

last

>> >> > meeting;
>> >> >>> however, it is not clear to me right now what exactly the
>> >> > different
>> >> >>> methods were (I think because they might have gotten

buried

>> >> >>> amid
>> >> >>> discussion). I suggest that the Ballot Initiative

Committee

>> >> > clearly
>> >> >>> puts forth the methods in an "A, B, C" fashion, and
>> >> >>> specifically
>> >> >>> request either the vote of the Ex-Com, or a "straw poll"
>> >> >>> from
>> > the
>> >> >>> membership (whichever the Committee prefers).
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> After such a vote is accomplished, we will be ready for

the

>> >> >>> next
>> >> > step.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Marcy
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild
>> > <sfdreamer@e...>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> Marcy,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I didn't say a ballot initiative *shouldn't* be

undertaken

>> >> >>> unless we
>> >> >>>> have firm commitments. Only that our chances of actually
>> > getting
>> >> > it
>> >> >>> on
>> >> >>>> the ballot will be in jeopardy if we *don't* have a

strong

>> > enough
>> >> >>>> commitment. There are benefits to be gained from
>> >> >>>> circulating
>> >> >>> petitions
>> >> >>>> for a ballot measure even if it doesn't in the end make

it

>> >> >>>> onto
>> >> > the
>> >> >>>> ballot -- although we should make every effort to see

that

> it
>> >> > does.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Before deciding which measure to go with, we were going

to

>> >> >>> adopt a
>> >> >>>> method for making that decision. Since we discussed the
>> >> > possibility
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>>> weighted voting based on how much money or how many
> signatures
>> > a
>> >> >>> person
>> >> >>>> is pledging, some people may be waiting to express their
>> > personal
>> >> >>>> commitments until it's determined how we will select a
>> >> >>>> measure.
>> >> >>>> Therefore my recommendation is that the ExCom to adopt a
>> >> >>>> method
>> >> >>> ASAP,
>> >> >>>> and if in doubt as to which method to adopt, seek further
>> >> >>>> input
>> >> > or
>> >> >>> take
>> >> >>>> a poll, but do it quickly.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Choosing a ballot measure is a significant enough

decision

>> >> >>> that I
>> >> >>>> would prefer to see the ExCom make a decision based on

the

>> >> > results
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>>> an online vote or "straw poll" (whether conducted on the
> basis
>> >> >>> of "one
>> >> >>>> person one vote" or otherwise) rather than just on the
>> >> > preferences
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>>> the officers. It would be nice to say let's just wait and
>> > decide
>> >> > at
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>>> next meeting, but such a delay would be costly.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Yours in liberty,
>> >> >>>> <<< Starchild >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> Hi All,
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> I said to Phil (our resident Initiative Expert, along

with

>> >> >>>>> Starchild), that I would share my feelings about the
>> >> >>>>> Ex-Com
>> >> >>> stepping
>> >> >>>>> in and picking an initiative, as was suggested at the

last

>> > LPSF
>> >> >>>>> meeting. I have been consistently speaking in favor of
>> >> > proposing
>> >> >>> an
>> >> >>>>> initiative as means to place the LPSF name before the
> general
>> >> >>>>> public. However, I have not perceived enough support
> (i.e.,
>> >> > firm
>> >> >>>>> commitment to either work or donate funds) for this
>> >> >>>>> project
>> > from
>> >> >>> our
>> >> >>>>> activists. As Starchild has described, placing an
> initiative
>> >> >>> before
>> >> >>>>> the voters is a sizable endeavor, and not a project that
>> > should
>> >> > be
>> >> >>>>> undertaken without such firm commitments. Therefore, as

a

>> > member
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>>>> the Ex-Com, my vote would be "none of the above."
> Obviously,
>> >> > this
>> >> >>>>> vote does not prevent continuation of the discussion

among

>> > those
>> >> >>> who
>> >> >>>>> wish to proceed with this project. I would consider

those

>> > brave
>> >> >>> souls
>> >> >>>>> members of the newly created (I just created it) "Ballot
>> >> >>> Initiative
>> >> >>>>> Committee." A request for a formal motion to refer this
>> > subject
>> >> >>> to a
>> >> >>>>> special committee will be on the next agenda, if nothing
> else
>> > is
>> >> >>>>> firmly decided before the next LPSF meeting. Hopefully,
>> >> > activists
>> >> >>>>> who want to work on a ballot initiative will get

together

> and
>> >> >>> make it
>> >> >>>>> happen. Also hopefully, other activists will be

working

>> >> >>>>> on
>> >> > plans
>> >> >>> for
>> >> >>>>> the Pride Parade (in June, and their website is already
> up),
>> > the
>> >> >>> next
>> >> >>>>> social event (great way to bring in more activists), the
>> >> >>> Juneteenth
>> >> >>>>> Festival (I believe Mike Denny encouraged us to
>> >> >>>>> participate
>> > last
>> >> >>>>> year), etc. It would be terrific if by the next LPSF
> meeting
>> >> >>>>> everybody is ready to sign up for one of these, or

other,

>> >> >>> activities!
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Marcy
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
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Massage 1873 cantains a preliminary draft of the curb rights initiative.

I maintain my commitment to doing a curb rights initiative.

However, timing is an issue and support of the menbership is
imperative. We are clearly a small group ...that will grow with activism.

I vote for curb rights, and will give as promised and more to the
limits of my ability. I appreciate the support from Mike Denny and
Amarcy. If others think my doubts about timing are unfounded, I will
roll with confidence behind me.

My second enthusiastic choice would be the marijuana initiative. It
has the tremendous advantage of already being pased in the Bay Area,
appealing to the natural sensibillites of the electorate and not
having recognized entrenched opposition. If this initiative was
selected, I would pledge 500 dollars and 100 hours. Sponsoring the
initiative would help us immensly in getting active and getting our
name in front of the public.

If we do go with the Marijauna inititive in November, I would ask that
we immediatley commit to choosing the next years initive, which I hope
would be curb rights. Then we can start the coalition building process
by writing a clear draft, and having partners participate in
developing various aspects of the plan to maximize the chanches of
sucessful passage of the law, and ensure that private businesses willl
be motivated to provide a great consumer experience that will make
public transit faster,less costly, and a magnet to get people out of
individual cars. In the end, we could envision freeing up the market
in the whole bay area. This is literally bring Libertarian ideas down
to where the rubber meets the road.

This process of reaching a consensus is messy, but I think we are
getting somewhere.

--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry"
<amarcyb@h...> wrote:

Hi Michael,

You asked for the list of initiatives. Here it is from the Minutes of
12/11/04. Thanks for stepping up to the plate.

Marcy

Cap the salaries of individuals employed by the City.

Require City police badge numbers prominently stenciled in the back
of uniforms.

Decriminalize marijuana, and/or eliminate funding for police action.

Require a resolution that the war on drugs is unconstitutional.

Require that City Supervisors abide by the same rules as private
citizens when placing measures on the ballot.

Phil Berg contributed the following suggestions:

Require the City to issue its own driver's licenses, good for driving
in the City and surrounding areas.

Roll back a City tax.

--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Michael R. Edelstein"
<dredelstein@t...> wrote:
> Marcy,
>
> If you let me know where I can find the proposed initiatives, I
will
> be able to answer your Q.
>
> Best, Michael
>
> From: "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...>
> To: <lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:24 PM
> Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: Ballot Initiative
>
>
> >
> >
> > Thank you, Michael. What initiative are you voting for?
> >
> > Marcy
> >
> >
> > --- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Michael R. Edelstein"
> > <dredelstein@t...> wrote:
> >> I will volunteer to be an initiative writer on the Committee,
> >> if someone with legal knowledge, e.g., Jawj, agrees to
> >> edit it for legal standing.
> >>
> >> Best, Michael
> >> www.ThreeMinuteTherapy.com
> >>
> >> From: "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...>
> >> To: <lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:29 AM
> >> Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: Ballot Initiative
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > No need for anyone to be "in charge" of the Ballot Committee
(or
> > any
> >> > other project). You, Phil, and Michael E. have been discussing
> > this
> >> > project. I will "join" the Committee if/when I see that the
> > project
> >> > has moved from the discussion stage to the direct action
stage.
> >> > I
> >> > will consider the project to be in the direct action stage
when a
> >> > reasonable number of our core activists (say, six?) agrees on
ONE
> >> > ballot initiative and commits at least some work and/or money.
> >> > So
> >> > far (and correct me if I am wrong), Phil and I have committed
> > time
> >> > to
> >> > the curb rights initiative, Mike Denny has committed at least
> > $500
> >> > to
> >> > whatever initiative is chosen, and Mike Acree has said he will
> > not
> >> > be
> >> > able to commit time or money to any initiative right now.
> >> >
> >> > I will again suggest e-mails from our activists committing to
one
> > of
> >> > the initiatives on our list; and if there is a concensus, we
move
> > to
> >> > the active stage. If anyone wants to include a preliminary
vote
> >> > on
> >> > how the choice is to be conducted, fine too.
> >> >
> >> > Marcy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild
<sfdreamer@e...>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> Sorry about that Marcy, I guess I overlooked or forgot that
> >> > part of
> >> >> your message. All right, I'm interested in being on the
> > committee.
> >> > How
> >> >> do we decide committee meeting schedule and action? Is
someone
> >> >> in
> >> >> charge?
> >> >>
> >> >> <<< Starchild >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hi Starchild,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 1. Yup, Ballot Initiative Committee it is. Created while I
was
> >> >> > composing my e-mail to this list a couple of days ago (you
> >> >> > read
> >> > the e-
> >> >> > mail because you responded to it!)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2. As is the case with all LPSF committees, everybody is a
> > member
> >> > who
> >> >> > wants to be one. "Appointing" Libertarians is a
contradiction
> >> >> > ...
> >> >> > like "herding" cats.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Marcy
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild
> > <sfdreamer@e...>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> Thanks for the clarification, Marcy. Ballot Initiative
> >> >> > Committee? I
> >> >> >> didn't know we had such a committee. Does it have any
> >> >> >> members,
> >> > and
> >> >> > if
> >> >> >> so, who are they and when were they appointed?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yours in liberty,
> >> >> >> <<< Starchild >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> Hi Starchild,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Poor sentence punctuation on my part! Only the first part
of
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> sentence regarding the complexity of the initiative
process
> > was
> >> >> >>> intended to be attributed to you!
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> We did mention methods of choosing an initiative at the
last
> >> >> > meeting;
> >> >> >>> however, it is not clear to me right now what exactly the
> >> >> > different
> >> >> >>> methods were (I think because they might have gotten
buried
> >> >> >>> amid
> >> >> >>> discussion). I suggest that the Ballot Initiative
Committee
> >> >> > clearly
> >> >> >>> puts forth the methods in an "A, B, C" fashion, and
> >> >> >>> specifically
> >> >> >>> request either the vote of the Ex-Com, or a "straw poll"
> >> >> >>> from
> >> > the
> >> >> >>> membership (whichever the Committee prefers).
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> After such a vote is accomplished, we will be ready for
the
> >> >> >>> next
> >> >> > step.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Marcy
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> --- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild
> >> > <sfdreamer@e...>
> >> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>> Marcy,
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> I didn't say a ballot initiative *shouldn't* be
undertaken
> >> >> >>> unless we
> >> >> >>>> have firm commitments. Only that our chances of actually
> >> > getting
> >> >> > it
> >> >> >>> on
> >> >> >>>> the ballot will be in jeopardy if we *don't* have a
strong
> >> > enough
> >> >> >>>> commitment. There are benefits to be gained from
> >> >> >>>> circulating
> >> >> >>> petitions
> >> >> >>>> for a ballot measure even if it doesn't in the end make
it
> >> >> >>>> onto
> >> >> > the
> >> >> >>>> ballot -- although we should make every effort to see
that
> > it
> >> >> > does.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Before deciding which measure to go with, we were going
to
> >> >> >>> adopt a
> >> >> >>>> method for making that decision. Since we discussed the
> >> >> > possibility
> >> >> >>> of
> >> >> >>>> weighted voting based on how much money or how many
> > signatures
> >> > a
> >> >> >>> person
> >> >> >>>> is pledging, some people may be waiting to express their
> >> > personal
> >> >> >>>> commitments until it's determined how we will select a
> >> >> >>>> measure.
> >> >> >>>> Therefore my recommendation is that the ExCom to adopt a
> >> >> >>>> method
> >> >> >>> ASAP,
> >> >> >>>> and if in doubt as to which method to adopt, seek further
> >> >> >>>> input
> >> >> > or
> >> >> >>> take
> >> >> >>>> a poll, but do it quickly.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Choosing a ballot measure is a significant enough
decision
> >> >> >>> that I
> >> >> >>>> would prefer to see the ExCom make a decision based on
the
> >> >> > results
> >> >> >>> of
> >> >> >>>> an online vote or "straw poll" (whether conducted on the
> > basis
> >> >> >>> of "one
> >> >> >>>> person one vote" or otherwise) rather than just on the
> >> >> > preferences
> >> >> >>> of
> >> >> >>>> the officers. It would be nice to say let's just wait and
> >> > decide
> >> >> > at
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>>> next meeting, but such a delay would be costly.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Yours in liberty,
> >> >> >>>> <<< Starchild >>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Hi All,
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> I said to Phil (our resident Initiative Expert, along
with
> >> >> >>>>> Starchild), that I would share my feelings about the
> >> >> >>>>> Ex-Com
> >> >> >>> stepping
> >> >> >>>>> in and picking an initiative, as was suggested at the
last
> >> > LPSF
> >> >> >>>>> meeting. I have been consistently speaking in favor of
> >> >> > proposing
> >> >> >>> an
> >> >> >>>>> initiative as means to place the LPSF name before the
> > general
> >> >> >>>>> public. However, I have not perceived enough support
> > (i.e.,
> >> >> > firm
> >> >> >>>>> commitment to either work or donate funds) for this
> >> >> >>>>> project
> >> > from
> >> >> >>> our
> >> >> >>>>> activists. As Starchild has described, placing an
> > initiative
> >> >> >>> before
> >> >> >>>>> the voters is a sizable endeavor, and not a project that
> >> > should
> >> >> > be
> >> >> >>>>> undertaken without such firm commitments. Therefore, as
a
> >> > member
> >> >> >>> of
> >> >> >>>>> the Ex-Com, my vote would be "none of the above."
> > Obviously,
> >> >> > this
> >> >> >>>>> vote does not prevent continuation of the discussion
among
> >> > those
> >> >> >>> who
> >> >> >>>>> wish to proceed with this project. I would consider
those
> >> > brave
> >> >> >>> souls
> >> >> >>>>> members of the newly created (I just created it) "Ballot
> >> >> >>> Initiative
> >> >> >>>>> Committee." A request for a formal motion to refer this
> >> > subject
> >> >> >>> to a
> >> >> >>>>> special committee will be on the next agenda, if nothing
> > else
> >> > is
> >> >> >>>>> firmly decided before the next LPSF meeting. Hopefully,
> >> >> > activists
> >> >> >>>>> who want to work on a ballot initiative will get
together
> > and
> >> >> >>> make it
> >> >> >>>>> happen. Also hopefully, other activists will be
working
> >> >> >>>>> on
> >> >> > plans
> >> >> >>> for
> >> >> >>>>> the Pride Parade (in June, and their website is already
> > up),
> >> > the
> >> >> >>> next
> >> >> >>>>> social event (great way to bring in more activists), the
> >> >> >>> Juneteenth
> >> >> >>>>> Festival (I believe Mike Denny encouraged us to
> >> >> >>>>> participate
> >> > last
> >> >> >>>>> year), etc. It would be terrific if by the next LPSF
> > meeting
> >> >> >>>>> everybody is ready to sign up for one of these, or
other,
> >> >> >>> activities!
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Regards,
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Marcy
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
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