A Non-Aggression Pact You May Sign Courtesy Daniel Ellsberg

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1

Dear Everyone;

This came from Lew Rockwell.com and an article by Daniel Ellsberg of the Pentagon Papers fame.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/ellsberg1.html

Daniel Ellsberg is behind this movement and states the following from the article:

Americans must summon the civil courage to face what is being done in their name and to refuse to be accomplices. The Voters' Pledge is one way to do this. The Voters' Pledge is a project comprising many of the major organizations in the antiwar movement: United for Peace and Justice, Peace Action, Gold Star Families for Peace, Code Pink, and Democracy Rising, as well as groups with broader agendas like the National Organization for Women, Progressive Democrats of America, AfterDowningStreet.com, and magazines including the American Conservative and The Nation. The goal of this coalition is to build a base of antiwar voters that cannot be ignored by anyone running for office in the United States. We want millions of voters to sign the pledge and say no to pro-war candidates.

"I will not vote for or support any candidate for Congress or President who does not make a speedy end to the war in Iraq, and preventing any future war of aggression, a public position in his or her campaign."

He further states: You can help right now by visiting http://www.votersforpeace.us/ and immediately signing the Voters' Pledge.

If you want to sign a non-aggression pledge here's one for you on a national basis. Whether or not it works is problematic but is definitely a non-agression statement as posted above..

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

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Heheh. Yeah, certainly stay away from Corporate Lawyers Against
War. The Ronald Reagan Home for the Criminally Insane might be
okay, though.

Justin

4

Dear Derek;

Would you sign the following statement if it did not include all
those socialistic communistic ultra-liberal left wing pinko comm
symps groups?

"I will not vote for or support any candidate for Congress or
President who does not make a speedy end to the war in Iraq, and
preventing any future war of aggression, a public position in his or
her campaign."

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:

Ron:

Check out the list of member groups of "united for Peace & justice"
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=1879 and ask yourself

if this

is the kind of company you want to keep. Their membership list

eads like a

rogues gallery of socialist organizations.

If you are going to eat with the devil, you should sup with a long

spoon.

Derek

>
> Dear Everyone;
>
> This came from Lew Rockwell.com and an article by Daniel

Ellsberg of the

> Pentagon Papers fame.
>
> http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/ellsberg1.html
>
> Daniel Ellsberg is behind this movement and states the following

from the

> article:
>
>
> Americans must summon the civil courage to face what is being

done in

> their name and to refuse to be accomplices. The Voters' Pledge

is one way to

> do this. The Voters' Pledge is a project comprising many of the

major

> organizations in the antiwar movement: United for Peace and

Justice, Peace

> Action, Gold Star Families for Peace, Code Pink, and Democracy

Rising, as

> well as groups with broader agendas like the National

Organization for

> Women, Progressive Democrats of America, AfterDowningStreet.com,

and

> magazines including the *American Conservative* and *The

Nation*. The goal

> of this coalition is to build a base of antiwar voters that

cannot be

> ignored by anyone running for office in the United States. We

want millions

> of voters to sign the pledge and say no to pro-war candidates.
>
>
>
> *"I will not vote for or support any candidate for Congress or

President

> who does not make a speedy end to the war in Iraq, and

preventing any future

> war of aggression, a public position in his or her campaign."*
>
> **
>
> He further states: You can help right now by visiting
> http://www.votersforpeace.us/ and immediately signing the

Voters' Pledge.

>
>
> **
>
> If you want to sign a non-aggression pledge here's one for you

on a

> national basis. Whether or not it works is problematic but is

definitely a

5

Dear Justin;

I actually like this group from the list the best:

Ukuleles For Sanity (CA)

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

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I was impressed with Denis Goddard's talk at today's LPSF meeting.
The FSP is successfully changing the New Hampshire political
environment by tackling issues one by one...regardless of what other
groups are involved. Ending the war is ending the war. Regardless
of who wants it ended.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:

Ron:

Yes, I think I could sign that. (With the caveat that i do not

believe the

war in Iraq was one of aggression. I sure pray for its speedy end,
though.) However, you'll never see my name along those of those

damn dirty

socialists.

Derek

>
> Dear Derek;
>
> Would you sign the following statement if it did not include all
> those socialistic communistic ultra-liberal left wing pinko comm
> symps groups?
>
>
> "I will not vote for or support any candidate for Congress or
> President who does not make a speedy end to the war in Iraq, and
> preventing any future war of aggression, a public position in his

or

> her campaign."
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%

40yahoogroups.com>,

> "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ron:
> >
> > Check out the list of member groups of "united for Peace &

justice"

> > http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=1879 and ask

yourself

> if this
> > is the kind of company you want to keep. Their membership list
> eads like a
> > rogues gallery of socialist organizations.
> >
> > If you are going to eat with the devil, you should sup with a

long

> spoon.
> >
> > Derek
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Everyone;
> > >
> > > This came from Lew Rockwell.com and an article by Daniel
> Ellsberg of the
> > > Pentagon Papers fame.
> > >
> > > http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/ellsberg1.html
> > >
> > > Daniel Ellsberg is behind this movement and states the

following

> from the
> > > article:
> > >
> > >
> > > Americans must summon the civil courage to face what is being
> done in
> > > their name and to refuse to be accomplices. The Voters' Pledge
> is one way to
> > > do this. The Voters' Pledge is a project comprising many of

the

> major
> > > organizations in the antiwar movement: United for Peace and
> Justice, Peace
> > > Action, Gold Star Families for Peace, Code Pink, and Democracy
> Rising, as
> > > well as groups with broader agendas like the National
> Organization for
> > > Women, Progressive Democrats of America,

AfterDowningStreet.com,

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Dear Derek;

Just suppose those damn dirty socialists was to take an actual
shower using water and soap and hair shampoo and even some lice
remover and was to take their clothes to be fumigated and laundered
with soap and water and then dry cleaned...... maybe they even have
themselves dry cleaned ...

Could ya see ya name next to them or stand alongside of them for a
little tiny instant??? ( heh heh heh )

ya really gotta try harder to make it more difficult to hit a grand
slam baseball outa the park with them softballs you have a
predereliction to toss - just begging for a hit...

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:

Ron:

Yes, I think I could sign that. (With the caveat that i do not

believe the

war in Iraq was one of aggression. I sure pray for its speedy end,
though.) However, you'll never see my name along those of those

damn dirty

socialists.

Derek

>
> Dear Derek;
>
> Would you sign the following statement if it did not include all
> those socialistic communistic ultra-liberal left wing pinko comm
> symps groups?
>
>
> "I will not vote for or support any candidate for Congress or
> President who does not make a speedy end to the war in Iraq, and
> preventing any future war of aggression, a public position in

his or

> her campaign."
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%

40yahoogroups.com>,

> "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ron:
> >
> > Check out the list of member groups of "united for Peace &

justice"

> > http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=1879 and ask

yourself

> if this
> > is the kind of company you want to keep. Their membership list
> eads like a
> > rogues gallery of socialist organizations.
> >
> > If you are going to eat with the devil, you should sup with a

long

> spoon.
> >
> > Derek
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Everyone;
> > >
> > > This came from Lew Rockwell.com and an article by Daniel
> Ellsberg of the
> > > Pentagon Papers fame.
> > >
> > > http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/ellsberg1.html
> > >
> > > Daniel Ellsberg is behind this movement and states the

following

> from the
> > > article:
> > >
> > >
> > > Americans must summon the civil courage to face what is being
> done in
> > > their name and to refuse to be accomplices. The Voters'

Pledge

> is one way to
> > > do this. The Voters' Pledge is a project comprising many of

the

> major
> > > organizations in the antiwar movement: United for Peace and
> Justice, Peace
> > > Action, Gold Star Families for Peace, Code Pink, and

Democracy

> Rising, as
> > > well as groups with broader agendas like the National
> Organization for
> > > Women, Progressive Democrats of America,

AfterDowningStreet.com,

> and
> > > magazines including the *American Conservative* and *The
> Nation*. The goal
> > > of this coalition is to build a base of antiwar voters that
> cannot be
> > > ignored by anyone running for office in the United States. We
> want millions
> > > of voters to sign the pledge and say no to pro-war

candidates.

> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *"I will not vote for or support any candidate for Congress

or

> President
> > > who does not make a speedy end to the war in Iraq, and
> preventing any future
> > > war of aggression, a public position in his or her

campaign."*

> > >
> > > **
> > >
> > > He further states: You can help right now by visiting
> > > http://www.votersforpeace.us/ and immediately signing the
> Voters' Pledge.
> > >
> > >
> > > **
> > >
> > > If you want to sign a non-aggression pledge here's one for

you

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Derek:

This seems to me one of the most damaging (not to say uncharitable)
attitudes libertarians can assume. If we are unwilling to ally
ourselves with others on individual issues, we certainly can't expect
anybody to ally with us. I don't agree with socialists any more than
you do; but I also don't see them as any more evil than those who
support the war in Iraq.

10

Dear Derek and Mike;

The old saying applies here when it comes to ending the War on Iraq:

Politics makes for strange bedfellows.

Libertarians who oppose the War on Iraq and socialistic left-wing
liberals who do the same does make for strange bedfellows - but if
it gets the USA out of Iraq - so waht - who cares what their side
issues are if they will agreee to focus on getting the USA out of
Iraq.

Then we will not have more and more instances of soldiers running
amok raping and killing innocent Iraqi teenage women and killing
their family witnesses because they didn't have guns to fight back
with. Or Marines slaughtering civilians for revenge and trying to
cover it up.

Unfortunately these type incidents are increasing but not being
reported on yet. Sooner or later there is going to be a My Lai style
massacre in Iraq and then there will be Hell to pay.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Acree, Michael" <acreem@...>
wrote:

Derek:

This seems to me one of the most damaging (not to say uncharitable)
attitudes libertarians can assume. If we are unwilling to ally
ourselves with others on individual issues, we certainly can't

expect

anybody to ally with us. I don't agree with socialists any more

than

you do; but I also don't see them as any more evil than those who
support the war in Iraq.

________________________________

From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-

discuss@yahoogroups.com]

On Behalf Of Derek Jensen
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 6:42 AM
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] A Non-Aggression Pact You May Sign

Courtesy

Daniel Ellsberg

Ron:

Check out the list of member groups of "united for Peace & justice"
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=1879 and ask yourself

if

this is the kind of company you want to keep. Their membership

list

eads like a rogues gallery of socialist organizations.

If you are going to eat with the devil, you should sup with a long
spoon.

Derek

  Dear Everyone;
   
  This came from Lew Rockwell.com and an article by Daniel
Ellsberg of the Pentagon Papers fame.
   
  http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/ellsberg1.html
   
  Daniel Ellsberg is behind this movement and states the

following

from the article:
   
  Americans must summon the civil courage to face what is being
done in their name and to refuse to be accomplices. The Voters'

Pledge

is one way to do this. The Voters' Pledge is a project comprising

many

of the major organizations in the antiwar movement: United for

Peace and

Justice, Peace Action, Gold Star Families for Peace, Code Pink, and
Democracy Rising, as well as groups with broader agendas like the
National Organization for Women, Progressive Democrats of America,
AfterDowningStreet.com, and magazines including the American
Conservative and The Nation. The goal of this coalition is to

build a

base of antiwar voters that cannot be ignored by anyone running for
office in the United States. We want millions of voters to sign the
pledge and say no to pro-war candidates.

  "I will not vote for or support any candidate for Congress or
President who does not make a speedy end to the war in Iraq, and
preventing any future war of aggression, a public position in his

or her

campaign."

  He further states: You can help right now by visiting
http://www.votersforpeace.us/ and
immediately signing the Voters' Pledge.

  If you want to sign a non-aggression pledge here's one for

you

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Dear Derek;

Remember the old saying: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Since the Communist Party Vietnam are the enemies of the Bush Regime
and its acts of terrorism on the civilains of Iraq - and we ( aren't
we) are against those acts of terrorism carried out by the Bush
Regime on the civilaisn of Iraq - why can't we all just be friends
against the Bush Regime?

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:

Michael:

The Communist Party of Vietnam was on that list of member

organizations.

We'll have to agree to disagree if it's a good idea to cozy up to

such

groups.

-Derek

>
> Derek:
>
> This seems to me one of the most damaging (not to say

uncharitable)

> attitudes libertarians can assume. If we are unwilling to ally

ourselves

> with others on individual issues, we certainly can't expect

anybody to ally

> with us. I don't agree with socialists any more than you do;

but I also

> don't see them as any more evil than those who support the war

in Iraq.

>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-

discuss@yahoogroups.com]

> *On Behalf Of *Derek Jensen
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 08, 2006 6:42 AM
>
> *To:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [lpsf-discuss] A Non-Aggression Pact You May Sign

Courtesy

> Daniel Ellsberg
>
>
>
> Ron:
>
> Check out the list of member groups of "united for Peace &

justice"

> http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=1879 and ask

yourself if this

> is the kind of company you want to keep. Their membership list

eads like a

> rogues gallery of socialist organizations.
>
> If you are going to eat with the devil, you should sup with a

long spoon.

>
> Derek
>
> >
> > Dear Everyone;
> >
> > This came from Lew Rockwell.com <http://rockwell.com/> and an

article by

> > Daniel Ellsberg of the Pentagon Papers fame.
> >
> > http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/ellsberg1.html
> >
> > Daniel Ellsberg is behind this movement and states the

following from

> > the article:
> >
> >
> > Americans must summon the civil courage to face what is being

done in

> > their name and to refuse to be accomplices. The Voters' Pledge

is one way to

> > do this. The Voters' Pledge is a project comprising many of

the major

> > organizations in the antiwar movement: United for Peace and

Justice, Peace

> > Action, Gold Star Families for Peace, Code Pink, and Democracy

Rising, as

> > well as groups with broader agendas like the National

Organization for

> > Women, Progressive Democrats of America,

AfterDowningStreet.com, and

> > magazines including the *American Conservative* and *The

Nation*. The

> > goal of this coalition is to build a base of antiwar voters

that cannot be

> > ignored by anyone running for office in the United States. We

want millions

> > of voters to sign the pledge and say no to pro-war candidates.
> >
> >
> >
> > *"I will not vote for or support any candidate for Congress or

President

> > who does not make a speedy end to the war in Iraq, and

preventing any future

> > war of aggression, a public position in his or her campaign." *
> >
> > **
> >
> > He further states: You can help right now by visiting

http://www.votersforpeace.us/

> > and immediately signing the Voters' Pledge.
> >
> > **
> >
> > If you want to sign a non-aggression pledge here's one for you

on a

> > national basis. Whether or not it works is problematic but is

definitely a

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Dear Derek;

You said the War on Iraq has resulted in a net gain of freedom and
liberty in this world.

Please detail how this net gain in freedom and liberty applies to
the people of Iraq and Afghanistan.Especially as they wait on the
door kickers to break into their homes - gang rape their daughters -
then murder the witnesses? And - there is more than one instance of
this type of event happening.

Not to mention the slaughtering of innocent civilians in acts of
revenge by the military or in acts of collateral damage.

If these events are not allowed to happen here in the US why is the
US allowing such events to happen in Iraq?

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:

Ron:

The war to liberate Iraq has resulted in a net gain of freedom and

liberty

in this world. That's a fact. Shall we discuss what the Communist

Party of

Vietnam has been doing in this regard?

-Derek

>
> Dear Derek;
>
> Remember the old saying: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
>
> Since the Communist Party Vietnam are the enemies of the Bush

Regime

> and its acts of terrorism on the civilains of Iraq - and we (

aren't

> we) are against those acts of terrorism carried out by the Bush
> Regime on the civilaisn of Iraq - why can't we all just be

friends

> against the Bush Regime?
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%

40yahoogroups.com>,

> "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Michael:
> >
> > The Communist Party of Vietnam was on that list of member
> organizations.
> >
> > We'll have to agree to disagree if it's a good idea to cozy up

to

> such
> > groups.
> >
> > -Derek
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Derek:
> > >
> > > This seems to me one of the most damaging (not to say
> uncharitable)
> > > attitudes libertarians can assume. If we are unwilling to

ally

> ourselves
> > > with others on individual issues, we certainly can't expect
> anybody to ally
> > > with us. I don't agree with socialists any more than you do;
> but I also
> > > don't see them as any more evil than those who support the

war

> in Iraq.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%

40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:

> lpsf-
> discuss@yahoogroups.com <discuss%40yahoogroups.com>]
> > > *On Behalf Of *Derek Jensen
> > > *Sent:* Saturday, July 08, 2006 6:42 AM
> > >
> > > *To:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%

40yahoogroups.com>

> > > *Subject:* Re: [lpsf-discuss] A Non-Aggression Pact You May

Sign

> Courtesy
> > > Daniel Ellsberg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ron:
> > >
> > > Check out the list of member groups of "united for Peace &
> justice"
> > > http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=1879 and ask
> yourself if this
> > > is the kind of company you want to keep. Their membership

list

> eads like a
> > > rogues gallery of socialist organizations.
> > >
> > > If you are going to eat with the devil, you should sup with a
> long spoon.
> > >
> > > Derek
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Everyone;
> > > >
> > > > This came from Lew Rockwell.com <http://rockwell.com/> <
> http://rockwell.com/> and an
>
> article by
> > > > Daniel Ellsberg of the Pentagon Papers fame.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/ellsberg1.html
> > > >
> > > > Daniel Ellsberg is behind this movement and states the
> following from
> > > > the article:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Americans must summon the civil courage to face what is

being

> done in
> > > > their name and to refuse to be accomplices. The Voters'

Pledge

> is one way to
> > > > do this. The Voters' Pledge is a project comprising many of
> the major
> > > > organizations in the antiwar movement: United for Peace and
> Justice, Peace
> > > > Action, Gold Star Families for Peace, Code Pink, and

Democracy

> Rising, as
> > > > well as groups with broader agendas like the National
> Organization for
> > > > Women, Progressive Democrats of America,
> AfterDowningStreet.com, and
> > > > magazines including the *American Conservative* and *The
> Nation*. The
> > > > goal of this coalition is to build a base of antiwar voters
> that cannot be
> > > > ignored by anyone running for office in the United States.

We

> want millions
> > > > of voters to sign the pledge and say no to pro-war

candidates.

> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *"I will not vote for or support any candidate for

Congress or

> President
> > > > who does not make a speedy end to the war in Iraq, and
> preventing any future
> > > > war of aggression, a public position in his or her

campaign." *

> > > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > > He further states: You can help right now by visiting
> http://www.votersforpeace.us/
> > > > and immediately signing the Voters' Pledge.
> > > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > > If you want to sign a non-aggression pledge here's one for

you

> on a
> > > > national basis. Whether or not it works is problematic but

is

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