48th US Rep Distirct Special Election Results

Here are the pitiful results of the 48th Special Primary in which Mr.
Bruce Cohen was our candidate. The word dismal comes to mind.
Mr. Cohen even lost to the female Green Party candidate. This must be
truly embarrassing for Mr. Cohen as he worked so hard and even went to
campaign school to become a better candidate. As a libertarian, I know
I am embarrassed. It should be clear to everyone that Mr. Cohen
should not be advising (our candidates) on how to run a political
campaign, unless their intention is to lose as dramatically and
soundly as these results indicate.

Dear Norm;

On the Bruce Cohen candidacy do you have any information on how Bruce conducted his campaign?

1. Did he enter the race as soon as the election was announced?

2. How much campaign funds did he raise and spend?

( Former now deceased Congressman Phil Burton made an apropos statement which is part of the political lexicon: Money is the mother's milk of politics.)

3. How much support did any of the Southern or Northern Lib Party give to Bruce?

4. How much publicity did Bruce have in the first place?

5. Stating Bruce couldn't even beat a female Green party candidate is sexist in or out of context. The sex of a candidate for Congress is in comparison to other candidates is a non-issue.

  6. What is the Libertarian party registration in the 48Th District and how many went to the polls?

7. What did you do to help the Bruce campaign if anything?

Constructive critiques are always warranted but mean-spirited personal criticisms have no room. I do not know Bruce I know very little about Bruce. However, your embarrassing and pitiful commentary about Bruce told me more about you than him.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Norm <normw@...> wrote:
Here are the pitiful results of the 48th Special Primary in which Mr.
Bruce Cohen was our candidate. The word dismal comes to mind.
Mr. Cohen even lost to the female Green Party candidate. This must be
truly embarrassing for Mr. Cohen as he worked so hard and even went to
campaign school to become a better candidate. As a libertarian, I know
I am embarrassed. It should be clear to everyone that Mr. Cohen
should not be advising (our candidates) on how to run a political
campaign, unless their intention is to lose as dramatically and
soundly as these results indicate.

I would like to second Ron Getty in suggesting that opinions on this
list remain positive, supportive, and helpful. Thank you to all for
abiding by this list's traditions.

Marcy Berry
*Moderator*

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty <tradergroupe@y...>
wrote:

Dear Norm;

On the Bruce Cohen candidacy do you have any information on how

Bruce conducted his campaign?

1. Did he enter the race as soon as the election was announced?

2. How much campaign funds did he raise and spend?

( Former now deceased Congressman Phil Burton made an apropos

statement which is part of the political lexicon: Money is the
mother's milk of politics.)

3. How much support did any of the Southern or Northern Lib Party

give to Bruce?

4. How much publicity did Bruce have in the first place?

5. Stating Bruce couldn't even beat a female Green party candidate

is sexist in or out of context. The sex of a candidate for Congress
is in comparison to other candidates is a non-issue.

  6. What is the Libertarian party registration in the 48Th

District and how many went to the polls?

7. What did you do to help the Bruce campaign if anything?

Constructive critiques are always warranted but mean-spirited

personal criticisms have no room. I do not know Bruce I know very
little about Bruce. However, your embarrassing and pitiful commentary
about Bruce told me more about you than him.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Norm <normw@m...> wrote:
Here are the pitiful results of the 48th Special Primary in which

Mr.

Bruce Cohen was our candidate. The word dismal comes to mind.
Mr. Cohen even lost to the female Green Party candidate. This must

be

truly embarrassing for Mr. Cohen as he worked so hard and even went

to

campaign school to become a better candidate. As a libertarian, I

know

I am embarrassed. It should be clear to everyone that Mr. Cohen
should not be advising (our candidates) on how to run a political
campaign, unless their intention is to lose as dramatically and
soundly as these results indicate.

===============================
Special Primary Election - October 4, 2005
Vacancy resulting from the resignation of Christopher Cox
SEMI-FINAL OFFICIAL CANVASS
United States Representative District 48

As of October 4, 2005 at 10:46 p.m.
Precincts Reporting 100% (268 of 268)
Registered Voters 402,006
Ballots Cast 80,361
Turnout 20%

Candidate Party Votes Percent

John Campbell Republican 36,640 46.0%
Steve Young Democratic 7,110 8.9%
Marilyn C. Brewer Republican 13,272 16.7%
Jim Gilchrist American Independent 11,490 14.4%
John Graham Democratic 3,242 4.1%
Bea Foster Democratic 2,606 3.3%
Don Udall Republican 1,284 1.6%
John Kelly Republican 955 1.2%
Bea Tiritilli Green 698 0.9%

BRUCE COHEN Libertarian 667 0.8%

David R. Crouch Republican 455 0.6%
Scott MacCabe Republican 353 0.4%
Marsha A. Morris Republican 322 0.4%
Tom Pallow Democratic 270 0.3%
Guy E. Mailly Republican 138 0.2%
Marshall Samuel Sanders Republican 94 0.1%
Edward A. Suppe Republican 87 0.1%

This information was obtained from the CA Secretary of State:

http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/Special/cd48/elections_cd48results.htm

**********
For your entertainment
The following electoral prediction is a slected portion of a
unrealistic, overly egotistical, and what others have described as
"irrational" post made by Mr. Cohen made on his moderated & censored
email group:

<snip>
"I will get a few points, Gilchrest is running strong,
and Marilyn Brewer, the #2 running Republican was
polling at 9%, months ago. I think we have a runoff!

Watch for the results because if I'm right, it's on!

Oh yeah, baby! IT'S ON!!!

We will make national news, as the only Libertarian
running in the country, in a race where we very well
could be the kingmaker or spoiler, depending on your
take on things."

The only real press Mr. Cohen received was that he captured less

than 1%.

The reporter he had such a good relationship with didn't even spell
his name correctly (He spelled Bruce Cohen as Steve Cohen)

We must stop running candidates simply to run candidates, and poor
ones at that.

We need candidates who can introduce government to libertarian
solutions, not just candidates who want to be a big fish in a small

pond.

The only press we can expect to receive from this race is bad press.
The press will define us as the biggest loser in December. IMO.

Warmest regards to the group.

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I would like to second Ron Getty in suggesting that opinions on this
list remain positive, supportive, and helpful. Thank you to all for
abiding by this list's traditions.

*** reply ***
Dear Marcy. Let me be the first to agree with you.

You and others may not be aware of exactly what is occurring in Orange
County. My posts are intended to be positive, supportive, and helpful
to the ultimate goals of THE PARTY. Let me repeat, THE PARTY.

This is not a ad hominem attack. I offered only facts and a
perspective as viewed by many of our active members (or what is left
of them) down here in Orange County. Sometimes the truth can be
painful. I apologize for any pain I may have caused. Pain is not my
intent. Reform is and winning elections is.

I will answer your questions to the best of my ability.

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty
<tradergroupe@y...>wrote:>> Dear Norm;>> On the Bruce Cohen candidacy
do you have any information on howBruce conducted his campaign?

Very little. Bruce does not communicate very much or very well unless
there is something in it for him. I would suggest you as him yourself
as what I have to offer is very little and most would be speculative.

1. Did he enter the race as soon as the election was announced?

I don't believe so. I believe it was more like the last second but
again I could be mistaken. I was not very involved in party
activities at that particular point in time. I had several personal
issues I had to deal with. Again, I am sure Bruce can answer this
question if you ask him.

2. How much campaign funds did he raise and spend?

To my knowledge he raised and spent nothing. He may have paid in lieu
of fees instead of signatures. When I last checked he had not
reported any funds.

>> ( Former now deceased Congressman Phil Burton made an
aproposstatement which is part of the political lexicon: Money is
themother's milk of politics.)

3. How much support did any of the Southern or Northern Lib Party

give to Bruce?

None at all or very little. As is now common practice in OC.

4. How much publicity did Bruce have in the first place?

None.

5. Stating Bruce couldn't even beat a female Green party

candidateis sexist in or out of context. The sex of a candidate for
Congressis in comparison to other candidates is a non-issue.

Ahh.. the sexist card. How ironic. I thought that might push a few
buttons. I purposefully included that bit of information because of
the many sexist problems Mr. Cohen has created with our female members
here in Orange County that you most likely are not aware. Sexist is
the word most likely to be used by our female members when describing
Mr Cohen. (at least the ones who have not quit because of Mr. Cohen).
If you are offended at my remark, that is a good thing. You will be
shocked and appalled at what females other than officers of the LPOC
have to say about Mr. Cohen and sexism. I am confident the females who
have had contact with Mr. Cohen in the LPOC would not be offended by
my statement.

6. What is the Libertarian party registration in the 48ThDistrict

and how many went to the polls?Unknown. I recently requested the data,
which is provided by the LPCA. Every time I get data it is in a new
format. The data I just got shows 269 members in the 48th district
and zero registered. Something is wrong. Something is always wrong
with our data. The data is our most important asset and it
consistently screwed up. I worked on this issue for some time and
finally gave up. Turnout was 20%

7. What did you do to help the Bruce campaign if anything?The

answer is absolutely NOTHING. By design. If I were in his district I
wouldnot have voted for him. Many libs in his district did not vote
forhim. Many of us in OC are now working to remove Bruce from
allpositions of leadership before our organization
completelyself-destructs. Electing unqualified leaders is not, and
will nothelp our cause for liberty. I have known Bruce for a long
time. He has repeatedly demonstrated his lack of leadership abilities.
He has driven away a shocking large percentage of our Orange County
members from participating in our organization. Mr. Cohen is extremely
talented at dividing and conquering.

He was not our best person to run for the seat. Because of attrition
directly caused by Mr. Bruce Cohen, he was the only one left. Sick.
You may believe this to be an attack on Mr. Cohen. It is not. I like
Bruce outside of the LP. I know him to be both articulate and
intelligent. However, I have mitigated Mr. Cohen's actions for far too
long now. I will no longer hold my tongue on this issue.

If you truly desire something, talk about it, often. If you do not
talk about it most likely will not occur.The time has now come to talk
about this issue. It has begun. Others and I have personally spoken to
Bruce about his leadership deficiencies on several occasions and he
has chosen to not to take any advice. Mr. Cohen has made a personal
choice as to the direction he is traveling. I wish Mr. Cohen well on
his journey. He faces a rough road ahead.

Constructive critiques are always warranted but

mean-spiritedpersonal criticisms have no room. I do not know Bruce I
know verylittle about Bruce. However, your embarrassing and pitiful
commentary about Bruce told me more about you than him.

This is not a ad hominem attack. I appreciate your knee jerk reaction
to my post. My gut reaction would be the same so I find no fault in
your comment. At this point you are uninformed and so do not fully
understand what is occurring in Orange County. Perhaps in time you
will. I truly wish there were some other way. Bruce holds office as
at-large member so you should become aware of his character. In
closing I hope our party can move forward and learn from our
experiences and not hide our heads in the sand and pretend these
things do not exist. They do. And until we address them they will
only make things worse in my opinion.

People who know me will confirm I am a positive activist who despises
the negative. I and others have run our course of positive solutions.
I only ask you to become informed and then decide for your self.

I hope I have made my position crystal clear.

Warmest positive regards to the group,

Norm Firecracker Westwell
Former Vice Chair - LPOC

**** reply end ****

Ron,

  Thanks for your message. I certainly have my differences with Bruce as far as party policy, but he is working hard out there to promote the LP and libertarian values. Plenty of terrific candidates have wound up with a low percentage of the vote despite running basically solid campaigns. Bruce deserves our appreciation for his enthusiasm for putting himself out there as a proud Libertarian candidate.

  I have no knowledge of anything that's been going on in Orange County, but I do have information on some of the other claims Norm included in that message, and some are simply and blatantly false. The amount of publicity Bruce Cohen got was not "none" -- I know this because Bruce sent out email reports of some of the publicity he's gotten, which I read. He was even credited by a number of his opponents for winning a debate he was in, which is not something that would happen if he had run a "pitiful" campaign. And far from not communicating about his campaign, he has seemed to me to be a more-communicative-than-average candidate. Among other communications, he also put out fundraising appeals, so somehow I doubt the amount of money he raised was "nothing," as implied. So many misstatements call the credibility of the rest of Norm's report into question, in my opinion. At the least it is very sloppy, and I feel one has an obligation to pay attention to accuracy when making serious allegations.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

Dear Norm;

On the Bruce Cohen candidacy do you have any information on how Bruce conducted his campaign?

1. Did he enter the race as soon as the election was announced?

2. How much campaign funds did he raise and spend?

( Former now deceased Congressman Phil Burton made an apropos statement which is part of the political lexicon: Money is the mother's milk of politics.)

3. How much support did any of the Southern or Northern Lib Party give to Bruce?

4. How much publicity did Bruce have in the first place?

5. Stating Bruce couldn't even beat a female Green party candidate is sexist in or out of context. The sex of a candidate for Congress is in comparison to other candidates is a non-issue.

6. What is the Libertarian party registration in the 48Th District and how many went to the polls?

7. What did you do to help the Bruce campaign if anything?

Constructive critiques are always warranted but mean-spirited personal criticisms have no room. I do not know Bruce I know very little about Bruce. However, your embarrassing and pitiful commentary about Bruce told me more about you than him.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Here are the pitiful results of the 48th Special Primary in which Mr.
Bruce Cohen was our candidate. The word dismal comes to mind.
Mr. Cohen even lost to the female Green Party candidate. This must be
truly embarrassing for Mr. Cohen as he worked so hard and even went to
campaign school to become a better candidate. As a libertarian, I know
I am embarrassed. It should be clear to everyone that Mr. Cohen
should not be advising (our candidates) on how to run a political
campaign, unless their intention is to lose as dramatically and
soundly as these results indicate.

===============================
Special Primary Election - October 4, 2005
Vacancy resulting from the resignation of Christopher Cox
SEMI-FINAL OFFICIAL CANVASS
United States Representative District 48

As of October 4, 2005 at 10:46 p.m.
Precincts Reporting 100% (268 of 268)
Registered Voters 402,006
Ballots Cast 80,361
Turnout 20%

Candidate Party Votes Percent

John Campbell Republican 36,640 46.0%
Steve Young Democratic 7,110 8.9%
Marilyn C. Brewer Republican 13,272 16.7%
Jim Gilchrist American Independent 11,490 14.4%
John Graham Democratic 3,242 4.1%
Bea Foster Democratic 2,606 3.3%
Don Udall Republican 1,284 1.6%
John Kelly Republican 955 1.2%
Bea Tiritilli Green 698 0.9%

BRUCE COHEN Libertarian 667 0.8%

David R. Crouch Republican 455 0.6%
Scott MacCabe Republican 353 0.4%
Marsha A. Morris Republican 322 0.4%
Tom Pallow Democratic 270 0.3%
Guy E. Mailly Republican 138 0.2%
Marshall Samuel Sanders Republican 94 0.1%
Edward A. Suppe Republican 87 0.1%

This information was obtained from the CA Secretary of State:
http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/Special/cd48/elections_cd48results.htm

**********
For your entertainment
The following electoral prediction is a slected portion of a
unrealistic, overly egotistical, and what others have described as
"irrational" post made by Mr. Cohen made on his moderated & censored
email group:

<snip>
"I will get a few points, Gilchrest is running strong,
and Marilyn Brewer, the #2 running Republican was
polling at 9%, months ago. I think we have a runoff!

Watch for the results because if I'm right, it's on!

Oh yeah, baby! IT'S ON!!!

We will make national news, as the only Libertarian
running in the country, in a race where we very well
could be the kingmaker or spoiler, depending on your
take on things."

The only real press Mr. Cohen received was that he captured less than 1%.
The reporter he had such a good relationship with didn't even spell
his name correctly (He spelled Bruce Cohen as Steve Cohen)

We must stop running candidates simply to run candidates, and poor
ones at that.

We need candidates who can introduce government to libertarian
solutions, not just candidates who want to be a big fish in a small pond.

The only press we can expect to receive from this race is bad press.
The press will define us as the biggest loser in December. IMO.

Warmest regards to the group.

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Dear Norm,

Thank you for your efforts to appraise us of difficulties in your
county. We are interested. However, I suggest from now on, you
please refrain from posting on these LPSF lists personal attacks on
ANYONE. If someone is causing you distress, you might want to
describe the situation, leaving out names, and offer your specific
suggestions as to how the challenging situation might be resolved.

Regards,

Marcy Berry

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry"

<amarcyb@h...>

wrote:
>
> I would like to second Ron Getty in suggesting that opinions on

this

> list remain positive, supportive, and helpful. Thank you to all

for

> abiding by this list's traditions.

*** reply ***
Dear Marcy. Let me be the first to agree with you.

You and others may not be aware of exactly what is occurring in

Orange

County. My posts are intended to be positive, supportive, and

helpful

to the ultimate goals of THE PARTY. Let me repeat, THE PARTY.

This is not a ad hominem attack. I offered only facts and a
perspective as viewed by many of our active members (or what is left
of them) down here in Orange County. Sometimes the truth can be
painful. I apologize for any pain I may have caused. Pain is not my
intent. Reform is and winning elections is.

I will answer your questions to the best of my ability.

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty
<tradergroupe@y...>wrote:>> Dear Norm;>> On the Bruce Cohen

candidacy

do you have any information on howBruce conducted his campaign?

Very little. Bruce does not communicate very much or very well

unless

there is something in it for him. I would suggest you as him

yourself

as what I have to offer is very little and most would be

speculative.

>> 1. Did he enter the race as soon as the election was announced?

I don't believe so. I believe it was more like the last second but
again I could be mistaken. I was not very involved in party
activities at that particular point in time. I had several personal
issues I had to deal with. Again, I am sure Bruce can answer this
question if you ask him.

>> 2. How much campaign funds did he raise and spend?

To my knowledge he raised and spent nothing. He may have paid in

lieu

of fees instead of signatures. When I last checked he had not
reported any funds.

>> ( Former now deceased Congressman Phil Burton made an
aproposstatement which is part of the political lexicon: Money is
themother's milk of politics.)

>> 3. How much support did any of the Southern or Northern Lib Party
give to Bruce?

None at all or very little. As is now common practice in OC.

>> 4. How much publicity did Bruce have in the first place?

None.

>> 5. Stating Bruce couldn't even beat a female Green party
candidateis sexist in or out of context. The sex of a candidate for
Congressis in comparison to other candidates is a non-issue.

Ahh.. the sexist card. How ironic. I thought that might push a few
buttons. I purposefully included that bit of information because of
the many sexist problems Mr. Cohen has created with our female

members

here in Orange County that you most likely are not aware. Sexist is
the word most likely to be used by our female members when

describing

Mr Cohen. (at least the ones who have not quit because of Mr.

Cohen).

If you are offended at my remark, that is a good thing. You will

be

shocked and appalled at what females other than officers of the LPOC
have to say about Mr. Cohen and sexism. I am confident the females

who

have had contact with Mr. Cohen in the LPOC would not be offended by
my statement.

> 6. What is the Libertarian party registration in the 48ThDistrict
and how many went to the polls?Unknown. I recently requested the

data,

which is provided by the LPCA. Every time I get data it is in a new
format. The data I just got shows 269 members in the 48th district
and zero registered. Something is wrong. Something is always wrong
with our data. The data is our most important asset and it
consistently screwed up. I worked on this issue for some time and
finally gave up. Turnout was 20%

>> 7. What did you do to help the Bruce campaign if anything?The
answer is absolutely NOTHING. By design. If I were in his district I
wouldnot have voted for him. Many libs in his district did not vote
forhim. Many of us in OC are now working to remove Bruce from
allpositions of leadership before our organization
completelyself-destructs. Electing unqualified leaders is not, and
will nothelp our cause for liberty. I have known Bruce for a long
time. He has repeatedly demonstrated his lack of leadership

abilities.

He has driven away a shocking large percentage of our Orange County
members from participating in our organization. Mr. Cohen is

extremely

talented at dividing and conquering.

He was not our best person to run for the seat. Because of attrition
directly caused by Mr. Bruce Cohen, he was the only one left. Sick.
You may believe this to be an attack on Mr. Cohen. It is not. I like
Bruce outside of the LP. I know him to be both articulate and
intelligent. However, I have mitigated Mr. Cohen's actions for far

too

long now. I will no longer hold my tongue on this issue.

If you truly desire something, talk about it, often. If you do not
talk about it most likely will not occur.The time has now come to

talk

about this issue. It has begun. Others and I have personally spoken

to

Bruce about his leadership deficiencies on several occasions and he
has chosen to not to take any advice. Mr. Cohen has made a personal
choice as to the direction he is traveling. I wish Mr. Cohen well on
his journey. He faces a rough road ahead.

>> Constructive critiques are always warranted but
mean-spiritedpersonal criticisms have no room. I do not know Bruce I
know verylittle about Bruce. However, your embarrassing and pitiful
commentary about Bruce told me more about you than him.

This is not a ad hominem attack. I appreciate your knee jerk

reaction

to my post. My gut reaction would be the same so I find no fault in
your comment. At this point you are uninformed and so do not fully
understand what is occurring in Orange County. Perhaps in time you
will. I truly wish there were some other way. Bruce holds office

as

at-large member so you should become aware of his character. In
closing I hope our party can move forward and learn from our
experiences and not hide our heads in the sand and pretend these
things do not exist. They do. And until we address them they will
only make things worse in my opinion.

People who know me will confirm I am a positive activist who

despises

the negative. I and others have run our course of positive

solutions.